Official Cameron White Thread

[Alkaline]

Re: Cam White theory

i wouldnt mind seeing Whitey play in the Aussie... or has he already???

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cam White theory

It can only really work though if you go down on fast bowler, or if one of them is good enough to bat 7 like White is. Thats why the White/Cullen will work as White can bat but with SA's weak batting, they really cant afford to drop a batsman

 

[sinepari]

Re: Cam White theory

Daniel Cullen > Cameron White at BOWLING SPIN!

Cameron White IS like Anil Kumblre but is significantly shorter so he doesnt generate the same bounce that gets Anil his wickets. White's Batting and fielding does him great credit though but while Daniel Cullen and Cullen Bailey and Beau Casson are playing White should not be chosen as first choice SPINNER!

Yeah pretty much.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Re: Cam White theory

It can only really work though if you go down on fast bowler, or if one of them is good enough to bat 7 like White is. Thats why the White/Cullen will work as White can bat but with SA's weak batting, they really cant afford to drop a batsman

The redbacks have batsman?

That will be the problem, I dont think either of them are that good with the willow. I know Cullen has been doing alot of night-watchman work but not to great sucess.

I dont the redbacks selectors will be able to ignore Baileys performances for much longer. Lets face it, our number 7 batsman who ever it is at any particular time has not been performing anyway, so it might not be that much of a huge loss.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cam White theory

DELETE

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Cam White theory

I thought Manou was SA's best 'batsman' behind Blewett this year

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Re: Cam White theory

I thought Manou was SA's best 'batsman' behind Blewett this year

I would of thought Ferguson was but that is niether here nor there because Manou is not going to get dropped for a leg spinner is he.
That last batting spot has changed throughout the season without any sucess so, maybe it is time to try something different.

 

[OldSchool]

Re: Cam White theory

Political correctness forum

It's not a case of political correctness it's a case of very poor upbringing.
Whoever was charged with giving you a set of personal values to follow in your formative years has failed miserably.
If you were any sort of person you would edit your original reference.

 

[LondonCalling]

Re: Cam White theory

No.

"Whoever" that was charged with giving you a set of personal values, has done so, and in doing so, instilled the ability to make up one's mind on what is right and wrong, without relying on peer group pressure to change that decision.

If you are trying to tell me that my throwaway line calling Hauritz a *******, is the first time you've ever heard someone labelled a ******* in regards to their cricketing ability or there lack of, then you really shouldn't be here, let alone moderating.

 

[Stafford678]

Re: Cam White theory

cam white was bowling leg spin against us in school cricket when we played against bairnsdale and this was year 9 or somthing from what i remember, so he cat be that much of a late starter

 

[LondonCalling]

Re: Cam White theory

I disagree.

I played my first year of club cricket at 16, also as a leg spinner.

The difference in development between me and someone else who had been at the club since they were knee high was huge.

 

[Chelt_Eagle]

Re: Cam White theory

Wouldn't say he's anywhere near getting selection at test level at this point (however, SHOULD have played in the 3rd test ahead of ******* Hauritz), however the door is wide open for him in the one day game, with Hogg getting on, and a lack of a quality all rounder still yet to be found.

Probably no worse than Nicky Boje at this stage.

What is Shane Watson then?

 

[dan warna]

Re: Cam White theory

Daniel Cullen > Cameron White at BOWLING SPIN!

Cameron White IS like Anil Kumblre but is significantly shorter so he doesnt generate the same bounce that gets Anil his wickets. White's Batting and fielding does him great credit though but while Daniel Cullen and Cullen Bailey and Beau Casson are playing White should not be chosen as first choice SPINNER!

White seems to get wickets at a better average and back it up with a few runs...
mmm sounds like a lot ofunsubstantiated crap criticising white...
Cullen

IRST-CLASS
(2004/05 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 6 11 4 138 42 19.71 47.75 0 0 5 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 231.2 39 765 20 38.25 3-82 0 0 69.4 3.30

FIRST-CLASS
(2002/03 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 14 24 5 289 35 15.21 0 0 5 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 468.2 81 1634 42 38.90 6-64 2 1 66.9 3.48

Cameron White

FIRST-CLASS
(2000/01 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 33 52 5 1272 119 27.06 1 7 39 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 807.1 144 2831 81 34.95 6-66 1 1 59.7 3.50

 

[- PC -]

Re: Cam White theory

Thats going to be the dilemma, I think in time they will have no option but to play both of them. An offspin/legspin combination can work, and with both of them being very promising spinners I can see them doing it on most grounds. Obviously the WACA would be an exception but oh well its a good problem to have.

Peter McIntyre and Tim May teamed up well...won a Shield if i am not mistaken

It works if one of your bowlers can bat or your batting side is dominant and can score easy 500.

 

[SorryIHammerChicken]

Re: Cam White theory

after Cullen got smashed (1/140-odd) in the just gone Shield match, I hope the kid can bounce back and not let that ruin his confidence. Cullen and White are completely different players.

White was a batsman first, and Stafford, while he may have bowled leg spin back then, its like saying Glenn McGrath batted when he was 15, it doesn't mean he was neccessarily good at it. White's batting has suffered a little because of the recent concentration on his bowling, and he still has a long way to go before he is an international player, just like Krezja (who is also a decent bat) and the two Cullens. However, White is a year younger than Krejza and all the first class games he's got under his belt will keep him in good stead. He is mentally tough and a superb leader. The kid has potential, but he will most likeyl be a batting all rounder, while Cullen will be the specialist spinner if he plays for Australia. i remember seeing the World Cup squad shortlists of late 2002 and seeing a kid called Cameron White on that list of 20 or so players. I thought this was a joke, but it shows that he was maybe destined to play for his country at some stage.

 

[dan warna]

Re: Cam White theory

let me remind you again that white has some 80 odd shield wickets in 30 odd games with an average around 35. In australia thats pretty good for a spinner.

 

[sinepari]

Re: Cam White theory

let me remind you again that white has some 80 odd shield wickets in 30 odd games with an average around 35. In australia thats pretty good for a spinner.

80 wickets in 30 matches isnt that crash hot. It equates to 2.6 wickets per game. Others include:

Macgill- 4.35 wickets per match.
Casson- 3.1 wickets per match.
Doherty- 2.6 wkts per match.
Cullen- 3 wkts per match

I understand that it also depends on number of overs etc, but as a general guide, i think it shows quite accurately that, whilst his performance isnt that bad, it really isnt sufficient enough to warrant selection over any other spinner in Australia. Additionally, one must remember that he is a leg spinner, so going on historys stats, should take more wickets than finger spinners such as Cullen, Hauritz and Doherty.

However i am also aware that his batting is of a higher standard in comparison to other spinners in Australia, so this is the only real reason, i believe, why he can warrant selection over other spinners at this stage.

 

[johnnyhoward]

Re: Cam White theory

sinepari, as you rightly pointed out, white wouldnt be selected as a bowler, he is an allrounder. Hogg's FC average is 40+, but he's shown he can still cut it at international level (although I admit that he has played many games on the WACA which has worsened his average - he got 1/71 in an ODI there the other night). And as for wickets per game, Warnie doesn't have as many as Murali, for the simple reason he doesnt bowl 45+ overs per innings. He is used sparingly. In fact the whole point of this thread was to explain that white is 'underused' as a bowler, he would bowl a fw overs an innings, and he may or may not get a wicket or two. although i can agree with people like "sorryhammerchicken" that he is not a great bowler at the moment. Cullen, Casson and White have alot of developing to do, and I think White will not be as good as theirs down te track, but he will be very good, and should be a handy player to fill the space of Hogg - plus hes more of a leader than Hogg, so when hogg retires youd think white could fill his shoes. They're similar players too, both started out as batsmen and are good team men.

 

[sinepari]

Re: Cam White theory

sinepari, as you rightly pointed out, white wouldnt be selected as a bowler, he is an allrounder. Hogg's FC average is 40+, but he's shown he can still cut it at international level (although I admit that he has played many games on the WACA which has worsened his average - he got 1/71 in an ODI there the other night). And as for wickets per game, Warnie doesn't have as many as Murali, for the simple reason he doesnt bowl 45+ overs per innings. He is used sparingly. In fact the whole point of this thread was to explain that white is 'underused' as a bowler, he would bowl a fw overs an innings, and he may or may not get a wicket or two. although i can agree with people like "sorryhammerchicken" that he is not a great bowler at the moment. Cullen, Casson and White have alot of developing to do, and I think White will not be as good as theirs down te track, but he will be very good, and should be a handy player to fill the space of Hogg - plus hes more of a leader than Hogg, so when hogg retires youd think white could fill his shoes. They're similar players too, both started out as batsmen and are good team men.

Mate im well aware of the original purpose of this thread, i was just replying to an individual post, and not making a generic statemet.
I agree with your thoughts regarding White as an allrounder.
cheers

 

[jo172]

Re: Cam White theory

White seems to get wickets at a better average and back it up with a few runs...
mmm sounds like a lot ofunsubstantiated crap criticising white...
Cullen

IRST-CLASS
(2004/05 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 6 11 4 138 42 19.71 47.75 0 0 5 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 231.2 39 765 20 38.25 3-82 0 0 69.4 3.30

FIRST-CLASS
(2002/03 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 14 24 5 289 35 15.21 0 0 5 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 468.2 81 1634 42 38.90 6-64 2 1 66.9 3.48

Cameron White

FIRST-CLASS
(2000/01 - 2004/05; last updated 27/01/2005)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 33 52 5 1272 119 27.06 1 7 39 0

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 807.1 144 2831 81 34.95 6-66 1 1 59.7 3.50

This is all well and true (I assume) but 2 things must be remembered, Cullen has only started playing for the redbacks this season and yet already he has started turning heads (selection in PM's XI) also many observers do not Rate White for his ability to bowl spin. IMHO he is an alright bowler who would be a super star a la Kumble if he was 1/2 a foot taller.

IMO i'm going to have to agree with Eddiesmith the best solution long term is to play a batting keeper at 6 (like Ronchi), White at 7 as an all rounder spinner and Cullen playing as a specialist spinner.

Also re the Cullen Bailey problem it is hard to break into the bowling 4 including Tait, Rofe, Cullen and Cleary. God knows what Ryan Harris is in the team for except maybe his batting!

 

[nicho_magic]

Re: Cam White theory

he's not exactly a great bowler. bowling more would see him get smashed.

i agree he's not a great bowler but he defenitely bowls tight in games and should be bowled more, he doesn't do enough with it in my eyes

 

[crowsarethebest]

Re: Cam White theory

Everyone says white is like Kumble but shorter.. i think he is alot like afridi where he bowls quick leg- spin and both are dashers with the bat.. also they are hard hitters

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Re: Cam White theory

Hear me out on this one.

Does anyone else share the theory that White is held back from further selection by Australia by not bowling himself more in games, and would benefit from playing under someone who would bowl him regularly?

One only has to look at MacGill's stint as NSW captain, bowling himself first change and excessively despite getting hammered to see the contrast, as White will regularly bowl himself either as 4th or even 5th change, whereas Berry was bowling him 3rd or 4th last year.

I really rekon he is a batting all-rounder....or soon will become one once he plays for australia. He doesnt really spin the ball so I couldnt see him becoming a great test/one day player.

 

[SorryIHammerChicken]

Re: Cam White theory

u're right pies, he's a batting all rounder. the focus on his bowling, though, has made his batting suffer a little. He started out as a specialist batsman and should have stayed that way if you ask me.

 

[Ipaidmy200in89]

Cam White blamed for players leaving?

The word is he is most well liked, he is a big head and certainly lead to some players leaving.....I doubt their is alot of truth to it.....but has anyone else heard of anything like this!