Official " SOPRANOS final episode " thread

[svmac]

Chase has refuted most 'clues' from final episode recaps in a recent interview - google will find the interview for you.

He said something along the lines of it being quite obvious, not at all subtle. The flashback to the lake is all that is needed to complete the ending.

 

[Mancey]

Yeah no doubt some of the theories are pretty tenuous, like the onion rings = communion. It was so open to interpretation, people were always going to make some incorrect calls.

But, in the end, as you said, that lake flashback scene was all you needed to see in order to work out what happened in those final seconds.

 

[DavidInellaFanClub]

For those who watched it tonight...did Channel 9 cut it short or what??????

 

[PLSC]

I wasn't impressed too much with the final episode, or the final season for that matter. In the last 2 or 3 seasons, they lost most of the humour somewhere along the way. It was too serious. Unlike the first 3 seasons where there was always some comedy to offset the more depressing side of the Sopranos. As far as im concerned they made a huge mistake the moment they started with that Junior alzheimers crap. The Vito/gay thing, the Tony/Hesh falling out, Johnny Sac fading out of the show,episode after episode of AJ whining like a bitch,they were all among the many things that ruined the last few seasons.

Even after years i can still sit there and watch the first 3 seasons regularly. After that, it's meh, i have the rest of the seasons but rarely watch them.

my thoughts exactly

to me it felt like the writers had too much time to do the final season and forgot about what made the show in the first place

 

[demonfan9]

But, in the end, as you said, that lake flashback scene was all you needed to see in order to work out what happened in those final seconds.

I forgot which scene this is that you're referring to.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

For those who watched it tonight...did Channel 9 cut it short or what??????

****ing ******s!

As you know that it was supposed to cut to black and after about 10 seconds the credits roll silently. Without that 10 seconds a lot of people watching tonight are likely to have misinterpretated the ending, probably because 9 are too tight to spare 10 secs.

FWIW Chase said in an interview that he wanted to cut to black for 30 seconds until the HBO sign and skip the credits, but wasn't allowed...this really was the evidence in my mind that Chase wanted to show that this was the final scene of Tony's life.

Channel 9 - idiots!

 

[HBK619]

Obviously what has happened with the last ep is that they have left it so people can think Tony is dead as per all the "sign/clues", but also if there is a movie possibly going to be made it also leaves that door open that Tony can be alive and either finished off in the movie or whatever they feel should happen with him.

I have to say though if he does die just after the screen goes black, I would have liked to of known how he goes out, is it just him, or anyone in his family, does he die by assassination or natural causes, WHAT HAPPENS!!!

I mean it just feels a bit like you watch this series for so long and even throughout Channel 9's shit showing of it we get an ending that doesn't actually show us what happens to him and the family, just makes you feel a bit jipped.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Obviously what has happened with the last ep is that they have left it so people can think Tony is dead as per all the "sign/clues", but also if there is a movie possibly going to be made it also leaves that door open that Tony can be alive and either finished off in the movie or whatever they feel should happen with him.

I have to say though if he does die just after the screen goes black, I would have liked to of known how he goes out, is it just him, or anyone in his family, does he die by assassination or natural causes, WHAT HAPPENS!!!

I mean it just feels a bit like you watch this series for so long and even throughout Channel 9's shit showing of it we get an ending that doesn't actually show us what happens to him and the family, just makes you feel a bit jipped.

Yeah, I thought that initially. Upon watching it again though it is a great ending (but Channel 9 actually did manage to botch it). Really, I think most of the signs are there to suggest that Tony was killed. But that is the great thing about open interpretation. Those who want to believe Tony died will believe and will attribute that theory to whatever facts they wish to believe, those who believe he still lives, ditto.

There is absolutely no chance of a movie. That was it.

 

[mr_cellotape]

Oh man, I'm so glad that I don't rely on free-to-air networks for my viewing of good TV shows. They cut out a couple of seconds after each ad break, and the cut to black wasn't just shortened, it was completely absent; cut to credits would be a better description. And as has been said, that'll increase the number of people thinking "what the hell just happened?!".

 

[likka]

Nein sink to a new Sopranos low... I simply don't understand why they would do this.

I didn't watch it last night, have seen it multiple times already... but had a feeling Nein would **** it up somehow

 

[Obi-Haive]

Nein sink to a new Sopranos low... I simply don't understand why they would do this.

I didn't watch it last night, have seen it multiple times already... but had a feeling Nein would **** it up somehow

Absolutely agree.

Here is the final episode of possibly the greatest show to have graced our screens and they simply treat it with contempt. After all the rescheduling and delays in getting this final series, this was the final slap in the face.

Nein's decision to delete that final pause just so they can rush the late news to us a few seconds faster is absolutely mind boggling.

And they wonder why people won't watch these shows on TV?

 

[likka]

Nein's decision to delete that final pause just so they can rush the late news to us a few seconds faster is absolutely mind boggling.

Without the sudden cut to black the ending makes no sense... as you said it is mind boggling.

 

[Macca19]

And so ends the greatest series ever made. Thankfully I didnt have to rely on Nines crap showing of it to see it.

Really, Nine have ****ed Sopranos fans around for years. Between dumping it mid season, showing repeats mid season, skipping back a series mid season and now cutting the ending short, theyve completely ****ed us around for years.

As for the final..its left open to interpretation. 'Dont stop' could mean that he keeps going as is. Or, as is the common interpretation, the man that goes into the bathroom pops him. The cut back to Bobby saying 'everything goes black' I think makes it reasonably obvious that he gets popped just as Meadow walks in the door.

Its a great ending. Pity Nine ****ed it up.

 

[Obi-Haive]

And so ends the greatest series ever made. Thankfully I didnt have to rely on Nines crap showing of it to see it.

Really, Nine have ****ed Sopranos fans around for years. Between dumping it mid season, showing repeats mid season, skipping back a series mid season and now cutting the ending short, theyve completely ****ed us around for years.

As for the final..its left open to interpretation. 'Dont stop' could mean that he keeps going as is. Or, as is the common interpretation, the man that goes into the bathroom pops him. The cut back to Bobby saying 'everything goes black' I think makes it reasonably obvious that he gets popped just as Meadow walks in the door.

Its a great ending. Pity Nine ****ed it up.

Just to clarify so that I can understand how badly the station ****ed this up. Was that scene with Bobby in the boat flashed to in the original version of that final scene? I know last week there was a flash to it but was it flashed to again in the final non-****ed up version

This has really got me pissed. **** off nein.

 

[Mancey]

I forgot which scene this is that you're referring to.

This one mate

The cut back to Bobby saying 'everything goes black' I think makes it reasonably obvious that he gets popped just as Meadow walks in the door.

Makes what happened in that final scene pretty cut and dried. Bobby theorised that when you get whacked, everything just goes black. Chase basically whacked us over the head with a hammer by repeating that flashback scene, then ending the episode like he did. In the instant before the fade to black you also see what looks like Tony reaching for his piece, obviously way too late.

Obviously what has happened with the last ep is that they have left it so people can think Tony is dead as per all the "sign/clues", but also if there is a movie possibly going to be made it also leaves that door open that Tony can be alive and either finished off in the movie or whatever they feel should happen with him.

He's dead, as are most of the main characters. Chase has said any movie will be set prior to the finale, in 2006, obviously so it can feature all the stars. But at this stage i'd say we have buckleys unfortunately.

I have to say though if he does die just after the screen goes black, I would have liked to of known how he goes out, is it just him, or anyone in his family, does he die by assassination or natural causes, WHAT HAPPENS!!!

Yeah i can see where you're coming from, but frankly, in hindsight i was glad i didn't have to see it. The entire show has basically been shown from Tony's perspective, we often see over the shoulder shots from Tony's POV. I think it was sort of apt that when Tony's life ended, our observations did too.

My main query is why was he killed when the NY/Jersey war seemed over with Phils death. Were the wheels simply set in motion before, with the members only jacket guy brought in to do the job from italy? Was it Little Carmine clearing the decks, smart move from a guy who was often a bit of an idiot? Was it one of Tony's crew's doing, making a play for the boss role?

We'll never know. And i think that'll make the show immortal. It'll always be something thats discussed.

 

[Obi-Haive]

My main query is why was he killed when the NY/Jersey war seemed over with Phils death. Were the wheels simply set in motion before, with the members only jacket guy brought in to do the job from italy? Was it Little Carmine clearing the decks, smart move from a guy who was often a bit of an idiot? Was it one of Tony's crew's doing, making a play for the boss role?

We'll never know. And i think that'll make the show immortal. It'll always be something thats discussed.

Too true.

My opinion is Little Carmine knew with Leotardo gone it would be hard to gain the upper hand with Tony. So he has him popped. Effectively, Little Carmine's family would absorb Tony's now, with Christopher gone, Tony has no heir.

Great ending.

I saw the suspicious guy at the counter get up, walk past the table and into the mens room and I knew it was all over. Remembering that Tony said his favourite scene from the Godfather was the Sollozzo assassination scene. This I think was a direct reference to it.

Knew it had to happen eventually but I was glad they chose not to show his death, just imply it.

 

[Gabbie]

Channel Nine :

The Ending of one of my all time favourite shows as an adult

So many ways to interpret the ending that i'm just going to kick back and keep a satisfied look on my face.

 

[Mr Eagle]

David Chase recently stated in an interview that he thought Tony lived on.


And I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that Nine can't even transmit a blank screen without stuffing it up...

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I dont think Little Carmine would have been responsible for the hit, if in fact there was one. Its my understanding that Carmine is only a consultant of the New York family, Butch is the underboss, and he gave the OK for the hit on Phil, so naturally he would take over as boss. I really don't think they had any motive or anything to gain by killing Tony.

 

[Mancey]

David Chase recently stated in an interview that he thought Tony lived on.

With all due respect, thats a pretty long long bow they've drawn there. It was a typically misleading fox headline, and the article didn't really imply anything of that sort.

he said

The interview, included in "`The Sopranos': The Complete Book," published this week, finds Chase exasperated by viewers who were upset that Tony didn't meet explicit doom.
Chase says the New Jersey mob boss "had been people's alter ego. They had gleefully watched him rob, kill, pillage, lie and cheat. They had cheered him on. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted to see him punished for all that. They wanted 'justice'...
"The pathetic thing — to me — was how much they wanted HIS blood, after cheering him on for eight years."

I think he was merely complaining about sopranos fans who wanted to see Tony's brains all over the table in some sort of blood lust. He wasn't saying that Tony didn't die, merely that he didnt think it necessary to show it graphically out of respect for the character.

Its pretty hard to explain the cut to black ending any other way, especially after the flashback.

 

[Obi-Haive]

Alternatively, the final scene may have been Chases way of taking us almost into Tony's world. Seeing things through his eyes. He is suspicous of every one, he is on the constant alert, when the door opens he always looks up. Meadow in her car shows us that he is always concerned with the safety of his family (particularly his little miss sunshine). The moment he see's she's safe he can relax a little.

That's where it ends. The family go on and eat dinner, the man emerges from the mens, orders another coffee to go and leaves. Life goes on as usual. But we now know a little bit about how Tony thinks during a typical moment of his life.

Thoughts?

 

[Fritz_the_Cat]

ahaaaaaaaaaaa so nine screwed up the ending..... i wondered that... coz i have to admit i was disappointed with the ending... having given 7 years of my life to this awesome show ... the ending left me feeling a bit ripped off..... even though i had read abt the final episode & basically knew what happened..... the last few episodes were great though.... gonna miss this show..... time to start watching from the beginning again.

 

[demonfan9]

The cut back to Bobby saying 'everything goes black' I think makes it reasonably obvious that he gets popped just as Meadow walks in the door.

Its a great ending. Pity Nine ****ed it up.

That flash back scene wasn't shown on Channel 9. Was it part of the final episode? If so, when exactly in the episode?

 

[Obi-Haive]

No it wasn't.

Here is the final scene as it was originally intended.

As you can see, nein cut the silence at the end. It is a small matter but it does help to clarify what happened.

 

[demonfan9]

No it wasn't.

Here is the final scene as it was originally intended.

As you can see, nein cut the silence at the end. It is a small matter but it does help to clarify what happened.

Pardon my ignorance, but if it wasn't part of the final episode, then when was the flashback?