Summer Olympic Sports in between Olympics thread.

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Getting back to the actual swimming, it will be interesting to see how young Molly O goes in the 200 free today vs Ariarne. A real star on the rise.
Not great in the heats so far.


=== Preliminaries ===

1 Titmus, Ariarne 21 STPET 1:53.09 1:55.53
r:+0.76 26.83 55.81 (28.98)
1:25.66 (29.85) 1:55.53 (29.87)
2 Melverton, Kiah 25 STPET 1:56.89 1:56.78
r:+0.74 27.69 57.13 (29.44)
1:27.18 (30.05) 1:56.78 (29.60)
3 Neale, Leah 26 CHAND 1:56.08 1:56.83
r:+0.69 27.38 56.72 (29.34)
1:26.87 (30.15) 1:56.83 (29.96)
4 Wilson, Madison 27 MARI 1:55.68 1:57.03
r:+0.70 27.39 57.59 (30.20)
1:27.39 (29.80) 1:57.03 (29.64)
5 Pallister, Lani 19 GUSC 1:58.33 1:57.23
r:+0.69 27.71 57.54 (29.83)
1:27.44 (29.90) 1:57.23 (29.79)
6 O'Callaghan, Mollie 18 STPET 1:55.11 1:57.26
r:+0.74 27.77 57.58 (29.81)
 
Kyle has been shacked with Maddi Wilson for around 3 years, she moved to Adelaide to be with him, well before the Olympics. Would seem strange if there are jealousies.
Google tells me they split up before the Olympics. There's articles from September 2021 gossiping about Chalmers and McKeon.
 
Google tells me they split up before the Olympics. There's articles from September 2021 gossiping about Chalmers and McKeon.
I was pretty sure I saw a news story of Kyle and Madi together in Adelaide, after Tokyo on the local 7 news. I obviously haven't kept up with the Kardashians. Maybe it was sometime before the Olympics.
 

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Not great in the heats so far.


=== Preliminaries ===

1 Titmus, Ariarne 21 STPET 1:53.09 1:55.53
r:+0.76 26.83 55.81 (28.98)
1:25.66 (29.85) 1:55.53 (29.87)
2 Melverton, Kiah 25 STPET 1:56.89 1:56.78
r:+0.74 27.69 57.13 (29.44)
1:27.18 (30.05) 1:56.78 (29.60)
3 Neale, Leah 26 CHAND 1:56.08 1:56.83
r:+0.69 27.38 56.72 (29.34)
1:26.87 (30.15) 1:56.83 (29.96)
4 Wilson, Madison 27 MARI 1:55.68 1:57.03
r:+0.70 27.39 57.59 (30.20)
1:27.39 (29.80) 1:57.03 (29.64)
5 Pallister, Lani 19 GUSC 1:58.33 1:57.23
r:+0.69 27.71 57.54 (29.83)
1:27.44 (29.90) 1:57.23 (29.79)
6 O'Callaghan, Mollie 18 STPET 1:55.11 1:57.26
r:+0.74 27.77 57.58 (29.81)
Titmus wins in 1:53.31 (better than her 1.53.50 in the Olympic final, but just off her PB of 1.53.09)
O'C second in 1.54.94 (new PB)
Exciting stuff.
 
Titmus wins in 1:53.31 (better than her 1.53.50 in the Olympic final, but just off her PB of 1.53.09)
O'C second in 1.54.94 (new PB)
Exciting stuff.
Good stuff. Need Emma and a 1.54.80ish swimmer and Ariane not to be so tired to knock off the Chinese and Yanks in Paris in the 4x200m freestyle relay.
 
Article about Kyle and Comm Games selection team announcement after championships.

I assume given the dates of the 2 events
World Champs in Budapest - swimming component 18th to the 25th June
Comm Games in Birmingham 28th July to 8th August and Swimming on from 29th July to 3rd August

Oz will send some of these athletes to Budapest but not many and maybe the relay's are just with a lot of the younger fringe competitors.



Australian team for Commonwealth Games​

Men: Ben Armbruster, Grayson Bell, Kyle Chalmers, Isaac Cooper, Joshua Edwards-Smith, Bowen Gough, Mack Horton, Zac Incerti, Mitch Larkin, Se-Bom Lee, Thomas Nowakowski, Kieran Pollard, Sam Short, Cody Simpson, Brendon Smith, Flynn Southam, Zac Stubblety-Cook, Matt Temple, Brad Woodward, Sam Williamson, Matt Wilson, Elijah Winnington, Josh Yong, William Yang.

Women: Minna Atherton, Holly Barrett, Abbey Connor, Elizabeth Dekkers, Jenna Forrester, Abbey Harkin, Meg Harris, Chelsea Hodges, Shayna Jack, Bronte Job, Emma McKeon, Kaylee McKeown, Taylor McKeown, Kiah Melverton, Mollie O’Callaghan, Lani Pallister, Alexandria Perkins, Ella Ramsey, Jenna Strauch, Brianna Throssell, Ariarne Titmus, Madi Wilson.
 
Ok found the WC team via a twitter link not Swimming Australia's home page. 39 going to that meet comp and 46 to Birmingham.


The Dolphins will travel to Europe in early June for a staging camp before the World Championships in Budapest from June 18-25.

Australian Dolphins FINA World Championships team

GraysonBell
JackCartwright
KyleChalmers
AbbeyConnor*
IsaacCooper
LizzieDekkers*
JoshuaEdwards-Smith*
JennaForrester*
BowenGough*
AbbeyHarkin
MegHarris
MackHorton
ZacIncerti
ShaynaJack
MoeshaJohnson*
MitchLarkin
Se-BomLee
KayleeMcKeown
KiahMelverton
LeahNeale
ThomasNowakowski*
MollieO'Callaghan
LaniPallister*
EllaRamsay*
SamuelShort*
BrendonSmith
JennaStrauch
ZacStubblety-Cook
MatthewTemple
BriannaThrossell
MadisonWilson
MatthewWilson
ElijahWinnington
WilliamYang*

*Denotes Rookie
 

Ariarne Titmus was the first to beat Katie Ledecky in the 400 free at a major international meet, defeating her at the 2019 World Championships and the 2021 Olympic Games. Today, she became the first to break one of Ledecky’s world records.

Titmus swam a time of 3:56.40 at the 2022 Australian Swimming Championships, just 0.06 seconds faster than Ledecky’s mark of 3:56.46. Ledecky set her former world record six years ago at the 2016 Olympic games.

With her swim, the 21-year-old Australian now has three out of the four fastest-ever times in the women’s 400 free. She first scared the world record when she swam a time of 3:56.90 at Olympic trials last year, and then got even closer to it when she beat Ledecky with a time of 3:56.69 in Tokyo. Tonight, she finally accomplished the feat of being the quickest in history after being so close for so long.

Titmus is well-known is known for her back half, having run down Ledecky during the last 100 meters the last two times she beat her. However, this time around, she was actually stronger on her first 200 meters of the race. She flipped in 1:56.99 at the 200 mark compared to Ledecky’s 1:57.11, but Ledecky actually had a stronger finish. Titmus went 1:59.41 on the last 200, while Ledecky closed in 1:59.35.

With her world record, Titmus is now the Olympic Champion (2021), short course World Champion (2018), long course World Champion (2019), short course world record holder (2018), and long course world record holder (2022) in the women’s 400 free. With a clean sweep of all the major international accolades in the event, she most likely cements herself as one of the greatest female 400 freestylers in history.

This race adds another chapter to what is arguably the greatest rivalry in our sport right now. Although Titmus broke Ledecky’s world record, she will not be racing against her at the FINA World Championships next month, instead opting to focus on the Commonwealth Games
. If Ledecky wants to take her record back, she will likely have to swim the 400 free in a race by herself. In addition, the American has not been under 3:57 in five years, meaning she will have to go faster than she has in a long, long, time in order to beat Titmus’s new mark.

Ledecky and Titmus’s next potential showdown could be the USA vs. Australia duel in the pool, which is set to happen in late August after World Championships and the Commonwealth Games.




After Ariarne Titmus broke Katie Ledecky‘s world record in the women’s 400 freestyle, she was asked in a post-race interview by Gianne Rooney about her anticipation for the Commonwealth Games. She responded by crediting the depth of Australia in the women’s 200 free as a reason for her excitement.

“I’m very excited and I think we’ve got a great team going in,” Titmus said. “It’s insane to have the whole final in the 200 freestyle the other night faster than the second-place [finisher] in America. It’s insane the depth we have, so I’m excited to go out there in Birmingham and have a good race.”

Titmus’s comment about the Americans was referencing how the top eight women in the women’s 200 free final at Australian trials were faster than the second-place finisher in the same event at U.S. trials. Meg Harris, who finished eighth at Australian trials with a time of 1:56.82, was faster than Claire Weinstein‘s 1:57.08 time that took second at U.S. trials. You can compare the results here:

TOP 8 FINISHERS, WOMEN’S 200 FREE, AUSTRALIAN TRIALSTOP 8 FINISHERS, WOMEN’S 200 FREE, U.S. TRIALS
1. Ariarne Titmus – 1:53.311. Katie Ledecky – 1:55.11
2. Mollie O’Callaghan – 1:54.942. Claire Weinstein – 1:57.08
3. Madi Wilson – 1:55.863. Leah Smith – 1:57.44
4. Kiah Melverton – 1:55.944. Hali Flickinger – 1:57.53
5. Leah Neale – 1:56.105. Bella Sims – 1:57.71
6. Lani Pallister – 1:56.286. Alex Walsh – 1:57.82
7. Brianna Throssell – 1:56.347. Erin Gemmell – 1:58.12
8. Meg Harris – 1:56.828. Katie Grimes – 1:58.22

While the comments seemed to be intended as more of a positive about her own countrymates than a slight to the Americans, the two nations have some history of jabbing at each other in interviews that have oftentimes escalated. It’s worth pointing out that Titmus also gushingly spoke of Katie Ledecky, the swimmer whose World Record she broke in the 400 free, in interviews on Sunday.

“I can’t put myself up next to her. What she has done for female swimming has been insane. She has been at this level for 10 years. To be in the conversation with her — I feel completely honored. And I hope now this will keep the battle going and give her some drive.”

In addition, although Titmus’s comments hold true to an extent, the Aussies aren’t necessarily the guaranteed favorites in the 4×200 free relay this year. First off, they will be without their fastest two swimmers, Titmus and Emma McKeon, at Worlds. They still face challenges from teams such as Canada and world record holders China, who are just about as likely to take gold as Australia is. In addition, the top four finishers at Australian Olympic trials last year in the women’s 200 free were faster than the second-place finisher at U.S. trials, and yet the Americans still beat Australia at the Olympic games. This goes to show that anything could happen on the biggest stage, regardless of who is a favorite and who isn’t.

Also in her interview, Titmus discussed how rested she was for this week’s meet, and the tremendous pressure that had been taken off her after the Olympics. She mentioned that she took a long break after Tokyo, which she felt was worth it after her performance at trials.

“The biggest thing since the Olympics was that Dean [Boxall] said to me that I now have this freedom because the pressure is off [my] back. I’ve loved swimming the past six months, and I think going to training with no pressure and being able to enjoy the sport is underrated. Coming here with no pressure except the pressure I put on myself, it’s fun to swim like that.” Titmus said. “I came back [to training] very slow in the beginning. I never thought that this meet I’d be swimming faster than at Olympic trials and the Olympic games”.

In addition, the 21-year-old also discussed her mental health inside and outside of swimming.

“It’s kind of nice now that I’m not going to be asked when I am going to break the world record,” Titmus said. “I am the happiest I have ever been outside of swimming. I am the happiest I have ever been in my life in swimming. It’s definitely showing in the pool.”

At the Olympic games, Titmus took home titles in the women’s 200 free (1:53.50) and 400 free (3:56.69). She bested both of those times at trials this week, winning the 200 free (1:53.31) and 400 free (3:56.40), while also setting a personal best in the 100 free (53.68) to take fifth.
 
The next big thing in Oz male swimming??


Isaac Cooper already made his first Olympic team when he joined the Australian squad last year in Tokyo as a 17-year-old.

Now at 18, Cooper is continuing his momentum with key performances here at these Australian Swimming Championships, culminating in his being named to his first senior World Championships team.

Throughout the course of this 5-day meet in South Australia, Cooper of Rackley landed on the podium three times, including in the men’s 50m back, 50m free and 100m back.

His 50m back winning effort of 24.44 checked in as a new national record while his 22.33 bronze medal-worthy 50m free result was a near-lifetime best.

Rounding out his performances was tonight’s 100m back where Cooper established a new age record for 18-year-olds to cap off a successful meet.

Touching in a time of 54.02 (26.28/27.74), Cooper beat the likes of fellow Olympian Mitch Larkin who settled for silver in 54.30.

Although Cooper has been faster in his career, one which boasts a 53.43 from Tokyo as his lifetime best, the teen achieved that outing when he was 17.

As an 18-year-old the fastest Cooper has been was marked by the 54.20 he logged in March of this year. That outing already overtook the previous age record held by Jack Cartwright at 54.53 from 2017.
 
This link has embedded the videos of 24 of the 34 individual finals events and the relevant times ie world record, Oz record, Comm record, Fina A qualifying times if at least 1 swimmer broke it and the times of top 3 place getters before the video.

Finals videos missing
Men's and women's 1500m
Men's and women's 50m breaststroke'
Men's 100m backstroke, 100m butterfly and 200m breaststroke where Stubblety-Cook broke the WR.
Women's 50m freestyle and 200m butterfly and 200m IM

 
Having a watch of some of the American races this past week, Katie Grimes, Bella Sims and Clare Weinstein seem like names of the future.

Grimes in particular.

Also, the open water stuff, Jordan Wilimovsky, Arthur Frayler, Bobby Fink and Andrew Gemmell completely blitz the pack for the males while Ashley Twitchell and Erica Sullivan do likewise for the females.
 

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Fina World Aquatics Championships had their opening ceremony Friday night Budapest time and first finals this morning Oz time. Swimming, syncro swimming, water polo, diving and open water events are on between now and 3rd of July.

SwimSwam magazine have made their predictions per event and links to individual events are at this page. They are preciction a US domination which makes sense given several of Oz's stars are competing or like Chalmers not swimming in his best event.


Their medals table prediction for top 5 nations, you can see complete table at the link. I have added Olympics totals which included the 2 open water events medals.

NationTotal MedalsGoldSilverBronze
USA - Tokyo 30 11-10-942191310
Australia 21 9-3-916565
Canada 6 1-3-28125
Italy 7 0-2-58134
Great Britain 8 4-3-18233

This is Swim Swam's homepage and World Championships page


This wiki page is good for a look at all the medal winners, and to quickly compare to the predictions by SwimSwam.

 
SwimSwan didn't predict the Oz men to win a medal in the 4x100m Freestyle relay but they got silver 1.46 sec behind the yanks. But a couple of times were interesting.

Caeleb Dressel (47.67) swam lead off leg
Kyle Chalmers (46.60) swam anchor leg. Think that is his 2nd fastest ever relay leg.

In the other results and predictions, women won the 4x100m Free relay as predicted with out Campbell sisters and Emma McKeown and Elijah Winnington was expected to finish 2nd to Germany's Lukas Martens, in the 400m Free, but they swapped places.


After it took a time of 49.11 to make the worlds team in the men’x 4×100 free, people were worried that the Aussies wouldn’t be fast enough to medal in this relay, even after the news broke out that Kyle Chalmers would be going to worlds after originally saying he wouldn’t come. However, the Aussies ended up finishing in second, beating out silver medal favorites Italy. And while this was largely due to Kyle Chalmers anchoring in 46.60 and bringing his team from fifth to second, other swimmers on this squad had breakout swims as well. William Yang, the 100 free winner from Australian trials, swam a best time of 48.41 leading off. Yang is dropping time like crazy this year, having lowered his PB from 49.21 to 48.55 at trials. Jack Cartwright‘s time of 47.62 was also much better than what people expected of him, considering that his season-best time from trials is 49.04. Matt Temple had a similar drop, splitting 48.17 today compared to going 49.11 at trials.
 
Flicking thru the channels about 20 minutes ago I discover the FINA World Champs are on 9 GEM. Haven't seen an ad for it on 9 promoting it otherwise I would have watched over the weekend.

Dont know if its a 9 commentary team or a FINA international team but its Aussie commentator ex ABC, 9, Fox Sports Mike McCann and an ex Aussie male swimmer whose voices I can't pick and haven't heard his name mentioned.

Morning sessions start 9am Budapest time = 5pm AEST / 4.30 ACST / 3pm AWST
Night sessions start at 6pm Budapest time = 2am AEST/ 1.30am ACST/ 12 midnight AWST

My electronic guide in SA says today's sessions were on from 4.28-7.15pm ACST think there are non swimming events on as the 800m heats should finish about 6.05pm SA time. The evening session starts at 1.22am-3.35am ACST and that looks like just the swimming evening session.
 
Think I saw the future star of swimming win the men's 200m Freestyle this morning, David Popovici from Romania who turns 18 in September. Thorpe handed him the gold medal which might be another sign.

In Tokyo he finish 4th when he was 16 with a PB of 1.44.68. Last night he won in 1.43.21, by 1.26 seconds and only the 2nd time since end of 2009 when FINA banned the super suits, that a male has managed to break 1.44 barrier. The only other time was at London Olympics in 2012 when Frenchman Yannick Angel won in 1.43.14 and beat Sun Yang of China and Park of Korea who tied for silver in 1.44.93.

Popovici has a PB of 47.30 in 100m Free and finished 7th in Tokyo. He has a 50m Free PB of 22.22. Both these times he won gold as a 16 year old at last years Euro junior swimming championships.

Saw Ledeckey win the 1,500m comfortably rather than her usual length and a bit more of the pool from another American by 14 seconds and 4 seconds further back was Aussie Lani Pallister win bronze, her first senior international medal. She won gold in the 1,500m in the world junior champs 3 years in the same pool.

Fell asleep during the men's and women's 100m backstroke and women's 100m breaststroke. Italy's Thoma Cecconi won the men's 100m backstroke in a new WR, smashing the old one by 0.25, USA's Regan Smith won the women's 100m as expected and in the 100m breastroke Italian Pilato won, Italy's 3rd gold of the meet and they jumped above Oz in the medal table to go to 2nd place.

Missed the women's 200m Free semis where Maddie Wilson was 2nd fastest qualifier and Mollie O'Callaghan 3rd fastest, and missed the men's 200m Butterly semis where reigning gold medallist and home town favourite Kristof Milak was the fastest qualifier by almost 2 seconds.

Read more at

 
I missed how good Winnington's time was in the 400m on Sunday morning Oz time, first finals session He now becomes the 5th fastest ever 400m swimmer and 3rd fastest using a textile suit. The first 3 individuals have a number of times faster than his swim. I set the rankings search on 1/1/2010 as the supersuits were banned in 2009 sometime and Mellouli's time in 2009 was a textile suite. Sun Yang's time below was at London Olympics and he recorded a 3.40.29 in 2011 in China and this is the fastest time since that 2012 time.



Winnington pulled out of the 800m to concentrate on the 4x200m relay and 200m - he finished 8th in a slow 1.45.82, might still be suffering from his 400m swim.


The men’s 400 freestyle was everything we could’ve asked for, as the fastest swimmers in the world over the past two years when head-to-head in an epic showdown.

Australian Elijah Winnington got out to a fast start, was overtaken by Germany’s Lukas Märtens on the fifth 50, and then roared home in 26.50 to solidify the victory in a time of 3:41.22.

The swim for Winnington improves his previous best of 3:42.65, set at the 2021 Olympic Trials, and moves him up into #5 on the all-time performers’ list (#3 in a textile suit).

All-Time Performers, Men’s 400 Freestyle (LCM)
  1. Paul Biedermann (GER), 3:40.07 – 2009
  2. Ian Thorpe (AUS), 3:40.08 – 2002
  3. Sun Yang (CHN), 3:40.14 – 2012
  4. Oussama Mellouli (TUN), 3:41.11 – 2009
  5. Elijah Winnington (AUS), 3:41.22 – 2022
The victory was also Australia’s first since the nation won five straight titles from 1994 until 2005. Additionally, it’s the first time an Asian nation doesn’t win the 400 free since 2009, with China’s Sun Yang having won the last four and South Korean Park Tae Hwan earning the victory in 2011.

Märtens, who came as the fastest swimmer in the world this year at 3:41.60, might’ve made his move a little too early as he had no response when Winnington exploded off the last turn. However, the German held on for silver in 3:42.85, fending off another South American Record for Brazilian Guilherme Costa (3:43.31), who picked up bronze.
 
Been catching a bit of the swimming the last few nights. Amazed at some of the performances from the youngsters. Popovici looks like he's going to break the 100m/200m freestyle WR one day, almost seems inevitable. Also is Summer McIntosh going to be the female Michael Phelps? She's 15 and already dominating the butterfly, supposedly the toughest stroke, looks like she has massive upside.

Also anyone know who the special comments commentator is on Channel 9? Seems to really know his stuff, hope we hear more from him in the future.
 
Been catching a bit of the swimming the last few nights. Amazed at some of the performances from the youngsters. Popovici looks like he's going to break the 100m/200m freestyle WR one day, almost seems inevitable. Also is Summer McIntosh going to be the female Michael Phelps? She's 15 and already dominating the butterfly, supposedly the toughest stroke, looks like she has massive upside.

Also anyone know who the special comments commentator is on Channel 9? Seems to really know his stuff, hope we hear more from him in the future.
Im pretty sure yesterday arvo when Nick McArdle stopped talking about the upcoming session, he said lets take you to our commenators Mike Mcann (caller) and Ben Hurley.

I have no idea if he is a coach or an official invol ed in swimming.
 
Tough luck for Shayna Jack falling over and breaking her hand. Out of the WC's and in doubt for Comm Games.
So she pulled out of 100m Free heats this morning, wont swim in the 50m Free and will miss the mixed 4x100m Free relay and any chance she had to particpate in the women's medley relay.
 
Also anyone know who the special comments commentator is on Channel 9? Seems to really know his stuff, hope we hear more from him in the future.
This guy. I don't remember him swimming for Oz.His record says he was a better short course than long course swimmer. He has turned into a coach.


Robert "Bobby" Hurley (born 26 September 1988) is an Australian swimmer[1] and former World Record holder in the short-course (25 metre pool) 50 metres Backstroke and 2012 World Champion in the same event. In 2009 he won a bronze medal as a team member on the 4 × 200 m Freestyle relay at the FINA World Championships in Rome. He has five FINA World Championship medals to his name, two gold, one silver and two bronze.

Hurley is a sprint backstroke and middle and distance freestyle specialist and was an Australian Institute of Sport scholarship holder 2007–2009. In 2017, Hurley transitioned into the coaching ranks where he led South African Olympic Champions Chad le Clos and Cameron van der Burgh to Gold and Bronze medals respectively, at the 2017 FINA World Swimming Championships in Budapest.
 
This mornings 5 finals and semis summary


Review of the morning heat sessions that started at 5pm AEST today. qualifiers for tonight's semis


Men's 100m Butterfly - Dressel pullout of all events yesterday or day before after swimming and winning 4x100m Free relay and 50m Fly.
Top 16 Qualifiers
  1. Kristof Milak (HUN) – 50.68
  2. Joshua Liendo-Edwards (CAN) – 50.97
  3. Noe Ponti (SUI) – 51.17
  4. Simon Bucher (AUT) – 51.18
12th Matthew Temple (AUS) – 51.86 - swam 51.50 at trials
Chalmers finished 22nd and didn't qualify 52.70 swam 51.76 at trials and Cody 51.96

Women's 200m Backstroke
Top 16 Qualifiers
  1. Phoebe Bacon (USA) – 2:07.89
  2. Xuwei Peng (CHN) – 2:08.53
  3. Margherita Panziera (ITA) – 2:08.64
  4. Rhyan White (USA) – 2:09.12
  5. Kaylee McKeown (AUS) – 2:09.26
  6. Kylie Masse (CAN) – 2:09.37
Men's 50m Free - 2 Aussies didn't qualify Chalmers not swimming here
Top 16 Qualifiers
  1. Bruno Fratus (BRA) – 21.71
  2. Joshua Liendo-Edwards (CAN) – 21.72
  3. Michael Andrew (USA) – 21.74
  4. Benjamin Proud (GBR) – 21.76
Women's 50m Fly
Top 16 Qualifiers
  1. Zhang Yufei (CHN) – 25.39
  2. Sarah Sjostrom (SWE) – 25.43
  3. Melanie Henique (FRA) – 25.61
  4. Maaike de Waard (NED) -25.92
12th Brianna Throssell (AUS) – 26.26

Men's 4x200m Free
Oz qualified 8th, yanks fastest

Women's 800m Free
Ledeckey qualifer fastest in an 8.17 but Pallister finished 2nd behind her in the heat and 2nd fastest time 8.24 and Melverton in the prior heat with 8.30 snuck in with 8th fastest.
 

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