O'Meara vs. Clark

[Arcassius]

I attended pre-season on and off whenever I remembered I lived in Freo and could just walk down

Was filled with optimism as were most who saw the team train during the PS. The only changes noted is that they were doing more running, less skills, and started later than usual (if i recall). How much of that ended up translating through the season is debatable. Will admit I was preoccupied with how Barlow was coming along for most of the PS

Will be interested to see how they adjust it this time around

 

[Dormammu]

Careful. You'll have the Chevron Taliban come down on you for the colour change....

He's safe - Mitch is sporting some sort of beard plus he's clearly looking to bomb the ball.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

He's safe - Mitch is sporting some sort of beard plus he's clearly looking to bomb the ball.

Mitch "Watch while I kick the bloody thing" Clark?

 

[Rubber Pants]

People talking of the 2012 super draft need to realise that if he was in it O'Meara would be the no 1 pick at this stage so giving up a first round pick in 2012 is nothing.

Who were the 17 year olds picked up when we came in?

Llloyd, Wirrapanda.....

 

[Clay Davis]

Oh, let me hazard a guess - Palmer was crap, Lower was up and down, Broughton was still adapting to playing in the midfield and Mzungu to AFL, Pitt too skinny and Mundy simply overwhelmed?

This is where you continue with being disingenuous. Pavlich lined up in the centre square at the first bounce. It wasn't like it was determined that Hill, Suban, Palmer, Lower, Broughton, Mundy etc couldn't carry the load through there and Pavlich was used as a reaction to that. It was the intention all along. He was there first bounce, second centre bounce, third centre bounce, fifth centre bounce, sixth centre bounce. First centre bounce of the second quarter. Get the picture? Not only is Pavlich there for almost every centre bounce (he only misses two in that run, where he was most probably rotating off the bench), but we lose most of the centre clearances he is in there. Two of the clearance losses result in quick goals to the Lions.

You can talk all you like about attending training, pulling out injury excuses, or whatever. It's crap. You are simply pushing the company line.

So what if we were in the top 8 at the end of round 5? Big deal.

Ignorant statement? At round one we had enough talent available to hold together the midfield while our best key forward could have played forward. That is the claim I made. You then pulled out Michie and Crichton as if their absences (which in fact only came later) were the driving reason for the poor use of Pavlich from the very first minute of the season.

Seriously, you couldn't make up more shit if you tried. Actually, that statement about me saying Hawthorn would miss finals was a pretty good lie, so you could.

 

[valkorum]

This is where you continue with being disingenuous. Pavlich lined up in the centre square at the first bounce. It wasn't like it was determined that Hill, Suban, Palmer, Lower, Broughton, Mundy etc couldn't carry the load through there and Pavlich was used as a reaction to that. It was the intention all along. He was there first bounce, second centre bounce, third centre bounce, fifth centre bounce, sixth centre bounce. First centre bounce of the second quarter. Get the picture? Not only is Pavlich there for almost every centre bounce (he only misses two in that run, where he was most probably rotating off the bench), but we lose most of the centre clearances he is in there. Two of the clearance losses result in quick goals to the Lions.

You can talk all you like about attending training, pulling out injury excuses, or whatever. It's crap. You are simply pushing the company line.

So what if we were in the top 8 at the end of round 5? Big deal.

Ignorant statement? At round one we had enough talent available to hold together the midfield while our best key forward could have played forward. That is the claim I made. You then pulled out Michie and Crichton as if their absences (which in fact only came later) were the driving reason for the poor use of Pavlich from the very first minute of the season.

Seriously, you couldn't make up more shit if you tried. Actually, that statement about me saying Hawthorn would miss finals was a pretty good lie, so you could.

We were in the 8 for 18 out of 24 rounds this year with only rounds 2 and 19 - 24 being the rounds we werent in the 8.

 

[Bender571]

People talking of the 2012 super draft need to realise that if he was in it O'Meara would be the no 1 pick at this stage so giving up a first round pick in 2012 is nothing.

Who were the 17 year olds picked up when we came in?

Llloyd, Wirrapanda.....

The draft age was increased in 2009

These are the top 10 picks that would've been in O'Meara's age bracket in their draft.


2008
Jack Watts
Jack Ziebell
Steele Sidebottom

2007
Trent Cotchin
Cale Morton
Patrick Dangerfield

2006
Bryce Gibbs
Ben Reid

 

[Dormammu]

Good morning Gravy!

Pav played in the middle for a good part of the game?! Scandalous!!! I mean, he's our key forward, it says so on the starting line-up!!

And you spent all night watching the replay and having to relive your March meltdown, little wonder you're boiling over Gravy.

Tell me, did you notice who he lined up against? Bet it's Power and Black who have been, and despite their age, are still amongst the dominant first-touch midfielders in the league. And no doubt Rich was there too, who if he isn't already amongst the leaders in this critical facet, will soon be.

And who do you think is ours, and by a large margin? Yup, Pav, (fact courtesy of Simon Eastaugh, our ex-ruck coach). Next I'm told is Barlow.

And guess what? If you break out games against Hawthorn (Mitchell/Sewell), Collingwood (Pendlebury/Swan) and Carlton (Murphy/Judd) you'll see Pav chugging around with them too.

You think that because Pav spends a lot of time training as a forward he's not also doing midfield drills, stoppage work, and working alongside Sandi and the mids to hone their clearance skills? All in the realisation that there isn't (thank God) a one-dimensional mindset and that against the very best midfields we will pit our best first-touch midfielder?

But if you can't distinguish between strategy and tactics then all this is pretty much a rhetorical question isn't it? It does further serve to highlight your retro, static 6/6/6 line-up, one-size-fits-all-for-every-game mentality.

By the way, I had to chuckle at how you've contradicted yourself - you bang on about how much time Pav played in the midfield in a game in which we just scraped over the line, yet earlier you posted

It's also bullshit to suggest we would have lost to Brisbane and the Bulldogs without Pavlich in there.

Who was the mystery midfielder who could have matched his output in that game? Which reminds me: When-oh-when are you going to identify the midfielders who Harvs has so cruelly denied the opportunity to develop?

 

[Dormammu]

You are simply pushing the company line.

This gives me a good chuckle, too. Fellow fans who know me regard me as a heretic, traitor even, for the opinions I have about what the club should be doing (or are doing, and shouldn't be).

Have to work now, look forward to reading the next instalment this evening.

Play on!!

 

[Clay Davis]

How is that a contradiction? Do you think Pavlich's 24 possessions in the middle were fundamental to winning? Let's put Stephen Hill in the centre square instead and have Pavlich line up in the forward line? Perhaps we win by more?

I find it amusing that you pit yourself as a part of the forward thinking strategy and me being locked in the 90s. Where have I ever suggested Freo run with a 6/6/6 lineup. Ridiculous strawman that helps nothing. My contention always has been that Pavlich is a better forward than a midfielder, and that we need to focus on our next generation of midfielders. Results this year and in the past have proven me right.

Seriously, you continually expose yourself as utterly clueless and completely willing to swallow whatever the club tells you. Simon Eastaugh? Wow. The moment anyone from the Freo hierarchy is used as the basis for an argument from authority they've lost. You may as well cite Damian Drum.

You don't even realise how you keep opening up flaws in your argument. So Rich soon will be a leading first touch midfielder? Wow. He was taken in 2008. You're basically saying that without Barlow, we haven't picked up anyone in the period since we started the rebuild who can play in and around clearances, and that Pavlich has to play there. Do you realise what you are saying? You are basically saying that Memories was right.

So together with no talls, we have no first touch mids from the rebuild. Of course, that's aside from what we snared in the rookie draft from the lower leagues. That's stark. That's Neesham-esque Freo. But I'm sure you'll continually defend it. I mean, you have to. No one would show up to every preseason training session if they weren't drinking the Kool Aid.

 

[yakka man]

According to Hagdorn on Sports News First Mitch arrived in Perth late last night and is scheduled to meet with the club officials next week to discuss his contract and the likely trade offer.

 

[The Night Shift]

Same old Clay.. insulting posters and waffling on with a hint of desperation with the chevron taliban agenda.



It's essentially our teams off-season. Calm down.

 

[Nickos66]

I'm stunned that people rate our 1st rounder as being more valuable than our compo pick. Sure it's a couple of spots earlier but when the clubs are wheeling & dealing in trade week the compo picks are the ones the clubs want. If we were any chance of getting JOM it'd be with our compo pick, not our 1st rounder. Why would GWS want another late 1st rounder? They'd want the compo pick every day of the week.

The notion of trading our compo pick for Clark baffles me to say the least.

 

[Arcassius]

drinking the Kool Aid.

I've been missing out it appears - gets bloody hot in the mornings too

 

[Arcassius]

I'm stunned that people rate our 1st rounder as being more valuable than our compo pick. Sure it's a couple of spots earlier but when the clubs are wheeling & dealing in trade week the compo picks are the ones the clubs want. If we were any chance of getting JOM it'd be with our compo pick, not our 1st rounder. Why would GWS want another late 1st rounder? They'd want the compo pick every day of the week.

The notion of trading our compo pick for Clark baffles me to say the least.

I agree completely. Was proposing Moller + Griffin + Compo for JOM. I dont think it's paying overs for someone predicted to be the next #1 draft pick, with the bonus of a year in the development (LTI) system under his belt - if he's as good as predicted, he'll be the perfect partner to our mids as mundy starts phasing out and hill and company hit their prime. Talk on the GWS board is that they are looking at developing rucks - which happens to be the one thing we can provide.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

I'm stunned that people rate our 1st rounder as being more valuable than our compo pick. Sure it's a couple of spots earlier but when the clubs are wheeling & dealing in trade week the compo picks are the ones the clubs want. If we were any chance of getting JOM it'd be with our compo pick, not our 1st rounder. Why would GWS want another late 1st rounder? They'd want the compo pick every day of the week.

The notion of trading our compo pick for Clark baffles me to say the least.

Indeed.

People realise the compo pick can be used any time in the next 5 years right? I'm sure 2012 isn't the only good draft in that period.

 

[Arcassius]

... and there goes our best lead to getting our hands on JOM