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Unwritten_Law said:
2nd most important player behind Mooney. Lose either and we are in trouble.
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Not far off.
Ottens i think would be a greater loss, dare is say it, with King injured at the mo.
Mooney - move Nab up the ground and Hawkins comes in.......or we could alwyas bring back Playfair (shudder)..........
 
Soupy said:
Hows Wojac? :rolleyes:

You were more wrong than me. Wojac has been 5 times better than bumbler Otto this season.

Ottens is lucky he has lifted his game, hes doing well when the teams doing well but still not getting enough of the ball.

Upgraded his rating from useless dud to mediocre. Lucky Kingy's finished and we are able to thrash Ottens in the Ruck. I'm find with that as long as as he keeps his bumbling ass out of our forward line.

Hes still a Richmond dud. We gave up picks also, not just Beamer if you remember. Feck... First rounders.

Lucky Geelong shot themself in the foot and traded Street/Chambers so the bumbler otto has managed to find a Ruck role with Kingy down.
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I would happily forgo Moloney/Meyer and Pattinson for Ottens, who is realistically a vital cog in our premiership hopes.

To think he has been upgraded from a dud to mediocre shows how little you know of the game. Little? No, that is being generous. Nothing sounds better.

Where do you think we would be without Ottens?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Please enlighten me with more of your wisdom, Mr Negativity.
 
Oh, and quote of the year I just found from Soupy in 'Catscan'.

Fact: Richmond Dud.
Fact: Heart not truly in it.
Fact: Spends more than half game time on his hands and knees.
Fact: Soupy wishes he could be injured instead of King.
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Good luck getting support for that :rolleyes:
 

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I would happily forgo Moloney/Meyer and Pattinson for Ottens, who is realistically a vital cog in our premiership hopes.
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Things you need to understand: We had picks, not Meyer or Pattinson. Geelong may have chosen another player, said players Meyer or Pattinson may have turned out different at a club like Geelong instead of the poor training and culture those at Punt Road provide.

Ottens is only a vital cog because he is tall and can ruck. If it didnt half kill Mooney every time he went into the ruck I would prefer Moons.

To think he has been upgraded from a dud to mediocre shows how little you know of the game. Little? No, that is being generous. Nothing sounds better.
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He has not recpatured his AA form, hes hardly a very good or superstar status. Last 2 years he has serverly underperformed to the status of dud by many of our own supporters at the Footy. Now hes actually playing the role he can sort of play and is doing an good-"acceptable" job at it. Rucking for half the game. Bench sitting 1/4 and 1/4.

It's about time he stood up, took him 2 years. We will see how he goes when the team is trailing or in a poor patch. Doubt he'll stand up. Not a crunch game player.

Where do you think we would be without Ottens?
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If Ottens doesnt stand up and help us win a premiship then the loss of Beamer and 1 pick or 2 picks if we traded Beamer anyhow then it will cost us for the next gen of Cat team to take a shot at the flag.

Getting back to the question, without Ottens in the current team we would be.....

Probably up shit creek. Geelong in its infinite wisdom shot themselves in the foot, but with another wrong decision they also canceled out the effect.

Wrong decision 1: King rucking 100% gametime for years without any help, whilst we grossly underdeveloped Street, Chamber and chose poor ruck recruits. Result being King finished as an AFL footballer. Can't get onto the park

Wrong decision 2: Recruiting Brad Ottens as a Key foward. Brad struggled in 2005 and 2006, he is a shocking forward, as his goal average suggests. Drops too many easy marks and generally makes the forward line perform worse as he draws the ball too often without result. Its no wonder we have kicked more goals this year with a Mooney/Ablett combo. Ottens couldn't even beat Chappy and G.Ablett in goals scored.

Lucky break: No King, Ottens forced to ruck where he should be thrashed in the ruck whilst alowing game time for Blake. Ottens is an good tap ruckman, although sometimes struggles around the ground because of his lack of fitness.

End result is the Geelong Football club were very lucky in their wrong recruit of a key forward they got a Ruckman, just in time because King broke down. But also make no mistake that Ottens has massivley underperformed for 2 years and has been a big disappointment. His slight improvements this year should be no cause for celebration just yet.

I would still rather King than Ottens. Hopefully Kingy can get back although once again it will force Ottens forward and our team into disaster.

And yes, many people agree with me even a few posts ago. The rest will hate to admit it as its painful to even consider such a highly praised recruit could under-perform. They don't want to believe it. He is criticism free the minute Bomber defended his poor efforts. Even Bomber didn't want to believe it.


S "Thinks He's Daicos" J said:
I agree somewhat with your opinions about Ottens.
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Get over it. He is one of the most important players we have now, and is central to Geelong's Premiership ambitions for 2007. Obviously has let himself and others down over the last few years, but he's playing good football this year. As you said, with King going down, we need him more than ever, and if we can win just one grand final on the back of his hard work, his performance over the last two years won't bother me one bit. So... Leave him alone... All of you.
 
If Ottens doesnt stand up and help us win a premiship then the loss of Beamer and 1 pick or 2 picks if we traded Beamer anyhow then it will cost us for the next gen of Cat team to take a shot at the flag.
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Soupy... SO if ottens is a dud why should u expect him to stand up and win a premiership? No duds do that?
 
Soupy said:
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Ottens is only a vital cog because he is tall and can ruck.
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Well deeeeeeeeeeeer :rolleyes:

If Ottens doesnt stand up and help us win a premiship then the loss of Beamer and 1 pick or 2 picks if we traded Beamer anyhow then it will cost us for the next gen of Cat team to take a shot at the flag.
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Yep,we really miss Moloney.Well our medical room would be missing Moloney.
Does he even play these days or has he retired ?

Bloody whinger :rolleyes:
 
Soupy I think we all respect your right not to rate Otto, even if we don't agree. It is better to explain your position rather than make comments which can be taken in a troll like way. A much better post than your previous effort.
 
Soupy said:
Getting back to the question, without Ottens in the current team we would be.....

Probably up shit creek. Geelong in its infinite wisdom shot themselves in the foot, but with another wrong decision they also canceled out the effect.

Wrong decision 1: King rucking 100% gametime for years without any help, whilst we grossly underdeveloped Street, Chamber and chose poor ruck recruits. Result being King finished as an AFL footballer. Can't get onto the park

Wrong decision 2: Recruiting Brad Ottens as a Key foward. Brad struggled in 2005 and 2006, he is a shocking forward, as his goal average suggests. Drops too many easy marks and generally makes the forward line perform worse as he draws the ball too often without result. Its no wonder we have kicked more goals this year with a Mooney/Ablett combo. Ottens couldn't even beat Chappy and G.Ablett in goals scored.

Lucky break: No King, Ottens forced to ruck where he should be thrashed in the ruck whilst alowing game time for Blake. Ottens is an good tap ruckman, although sometimes struggles around the ground because of his lack of fitness.
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Has it ever occurred to you that Geelong in it's 'infinite wisdom' may just have done that deliberately?
They may have acknoweledged that they were rucking Kingy too much, and that it would take it's toll on his body, and that because the likes of Street and Chambers were duds and COULD NOT be trained up to AFL standard (they haven't become any better while at other clubs, have they?) they needed another ruck option. How many were available for trade/drafting at the time?
Then, they would have recognised (as we all did) that Geelong hasn't had a viable forward option since Ablett Snr, and so Ottens becomes a win/win option. You can imagine them saying...
"Ottens performed well as a forward in 2000/01, so he may be able to recapture that form for the GFC. However, if Kingy breaks down, we've got a genuine ruck option."
Two players in one.

While you think it's 'lucky' that Kingy has broken down and Ottens is now playing where he is most suited, the GFC could also think it has been 'unlucky' that Ottens has had to be both first ruck and key forward at the same time. Finally, we now take the pressure off him to be both with the development of Mooney and Nablett as key forwards.
You try and dominate the competition playing two very different roles.
 

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u people have no clue (read the 1st 10 or so posts, and got the general idea)
Otto is a gun ruckman, therefor he should play ruck
for his rest time, put him in the square...thats it. no leading, just set it to the top of the square, and he will out muscle most opposition. doing this will also get the #1 backman away from a mooney or nablett.
 
JUBJUB said:
Well deeeeeeeeeeeer :rolleyes:



Yep,we really miss Moloney.Well our medical room would be missing Moloney.
Does he even play these days or has he retired ?

Bloody whinger :rolleyes:
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Agree JUBJUB. Some of his 'criticisms' of Ottens are his strengths. For example, "Ottens is only a vital cog because he is tall and can ruck". Are you serious Soupy?

What next? Bartel is only good because he is tough and courageous?

I see Soupy has been banned anyway :p:p:p
 
A good ruckman doesn't just win the taps he uses his body around the stoppages. Watch the games closely Otto is really starting to do that and use his size to help the midfielders break clear. Anyway if he helps Blake take it up another level and really develop into a premier ruckman the investment in Otto will be well worth it.
Go Cats.
 
passthebottle said:
A good ruckman doesn't just win the taps he uses his body around the stoppages. Watch the games closely Otto is really starting to do that and use his size to help the midfielders break clear. Anyway if he helps Blake take it up another level and really develop into a premier ruckman the investment in Otto will be well worth it.
Go Cats.
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Is an important factor in our improvement at stoppages too.
 
Sons_of_a_Gun said:
Would anybody like to reconsider their opinions on Blake? best 22 game ruck man in the league by a fair bit i reckon.
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Happily put my hand up. I thought after the Dogs game as my comments clearly indicate he wasn't up to it. He still worries me sometimes, and is still a clumsy oaf (like putting his hands on MacGregor in the goalsquare), but has improved out of sight. Easily in our best 22 (behind Ottens) now.
 

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Did a search, and i think we can happily admit we were wrong with our opinions of 'Otto. He is a genuine ruckman, and i think the record stands for itself, he came back after 2 weeks of injury in Rd 6 against the Tigers, and Geelong has won 11 in succession.

Richmond picked up Danny Meyer and Adam Pattison with picks 12 and 16, with Meyer unable to even get a game yet?? and Pattison playing reasonable footy, but far from a gun at this point. Ottens is a massive presence at the stoppages for us, he tackles as often as Gaz Jr, and creates first use for our awesome midfield. Great recruiting there, fellas, and he is only 27, at his peak as a ruckman.
 

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