our back six

Frustrated Tiger · Jul 12, 2015

tigs2010 said:
He hasn't done anything. He looks nothing like the under 18 version of himself.

Playing for Carlton will do that. ....

juss · Jul 12, 2015

As a unit working together it is elite.

Football Tragic · Jul 12, 2015

I love the fact that we are also building up some competition and depth in the backline also with Astbury, Elton and Dea genuinely solid replacements for the defenders we have in the team at present.

Astbury is a strong bodied utility who can match up on monster forwards and now swing forward and kick a few also. He adds versatility and strength to the team and would be the first choice replacement for any of our tall defenders if required.

Elton is a much improved tall defender. He was thrown to the wolves against Cloke earlier in the year but I feel he would make a viable replacement to Grimes or Chaplin if called upon.

Dea is another ready made rebound defender who could switch spots with Batchelor, Vlaustin and Houli if form or injury necessitated it.

It's a great position to be in as a club imo

leekok · Jul 12, 2015

TiggerMan22 said:
Astbury has shown he is a gun defender as well. Rance, Grimes and Astbury would make a mean defensive lineup against talls and mids.

Cotcho said:
Love these guys. Theyve been immense!!

Maybe if we can get astbury in as well some how we can get say a Bachelor, houli, vlastuin up the ground a bit more too. Although I know at thti stage dont want to mess around with whats working etc. But i like the options.

timper12 said:
Still not a fan of chaplin. Does 1 really good thing then 3 really bad things. He always looks like hes going to go to ground and hes really not all that good 1 on 1. He can play well when hes zoning off but hes not really a good kick either. He does at least try and stay calm. I'd much rather astbury than him

Dr Awkward said:
Backline is looking very solid. I would like to see Dea play a bit at some stage, although he'll probably only get in if there's an injury. Unlike most others here I rate him. Need Astbury to come along and take Chaplin's spot in the next year or two.

Batch is going ok, he still needs to improve a bit though imo.

Vlastuin most people reckon he'll go into the middle at some stage, but to me he looks very natural in the backline and I can see him playing out a really good career there. One of my favourite players.

Was no coincidence we lost most games with Astbury in. He's alright one on one but too slow as part of a team defense helping out others imo. May replace Charlie Chaplin eventually but he struggles a bit nowadays

DeseRigs · Jul 12, 2015

Grimes' closing speed is such an asset, absolute beast of a spoiler. And something I've noticed the last few weeks, his kicking on his opposite is right up there with the best, doesn't seem to miss a target.

TiggerMan22 · Jul 12, 2015

leekok said:
Was no coincidence we lost most games with Astbury in. He's alright one on one but too slow as part of a team defense helping out others imo. May replace Charlie Chaplin eventually but he struggles a bit nowadays

Actually it is.

leekok · Jul 12, 2015

TiggerMan22 said:
Actually it isn't.

TiggerMan22 · Jul 12, 2015

leekok said:

When we were losing it sure as hell wasnt because of our defense. Sorry, but you are wrong.

leekok · Jul 12, 2015

TiggerMan22 said:
When we were losing it sure as hell wasnt because of our defense. Sorry, but you are wrong.

No need to apologise mate, even I get it wrong sometimes

If Astbury is the gun you say he is, why isn't he playing AFL?

TiggerMan22 · Jul 12, 2015

leekok said:
No need to apologise mate, even I get it wrong sometimes

If Astbury is the gun you say he is, why isn't he playing AFL?

I think you get it wrong all the time.
Ah because of injuries? He finally gets a chance, plays a few games then gets injured. When youre not in the team you have to push someone out, all of our backs are staying injury free and playing well. No space at the moment.
Maybe youre a goldfish and cant remember back to 2014. He had to cover when Rance was out and he played very, very well.

leekok · Jul 12, 2015

TiggerMan22 said:
I think you get it wrong all the time.
Ah because of injuries? He finally gets a chance, plays a few games then gets injured. When youre not in the team you have to push someone out, all of our backs are staying injury free and playing well. No space at the moment.
Maybe youre a goldfish and cant remember back to 2014. He had to cover when Rance was out and he played very, very well.

He played alright early last year, we lost most games though.

Ive never said he is shit, just not as good as the players in the backline at the moment and leaks goals due to his lack of speed. Alright 1 on 1 just not as a cog in our current cohesive back 6. Just because our opinions differ there is no need for the insults. Really highlights your maturity.

TiggerMan22 · Jul 12, 2015

leekok said:
He played alright early last year, we lost most games though. Ive never said he is shit, just not as good as the players in the backline at the moment and leaks goals due to his lack of speed. Alright 1 on 1 just not as a cog in our current cohesive back 6. Just because our opinions differ there is no need for the insults. Really highlights your maturity.

No, he played fantastic last year. We would have lost by a lot more if it wasnt for him. Us losing games had nothing to do with Astbury playing.
Hardwick - "He's been one of the shining lights this year. He's kept a lot of good players goalless."
Rance - ""He was probably one of the only shining lights for the start of the season and he's got an amazing ability to win one-on-one contests."
And yes hes better than Chaplin and Batch.
You think those are insults. Ha.

leekok · Jul 12, 2015

TiggerMan22 said:
No, he played fantastic last year. We would have lost by a lot more if it wasnt for him. Us losing games had nothing to do with Astbury playing.
Hardwick - "He's been one of the shining lights this year. He's kept a lot of good players goalless."
Rance - ""He was probably one of the only shining lights for the start of the season and he's got an amazing ability to win one-on-one contests."
And yes hes better than Chaplin and Batch.
You think those are insults. Ha.

Agree to disagree. And no, they were not really 'personal insults'

as such but not really required. Why resort to those tactics when not agreed with? Looking forward to your next reply which I'm sure you'll include some 'real insults' to reinforce your opinion which is all it is as is mine. Good night, sleep tight.

TiggerMan22 · Jul 12, 2015

leekok said:
Agree to disagree. And no, they were not really 'personal insults' as such but not really required. Why resort to those tactics when not agreed with? Looking forward to your next reply which I'm sure you'll include some 'real insults' to reinforce your opinion which is all it is as is mine. Good night, sleep tight.

Well I'll take Hardwick and Rance on my side and you take...ahhh...well you've got yours all to yourself.

TheDyerLegacy · Jul 12, 2015

Anyone else keep hearing the club referring to the defence as the 'back 7'
Dimma mentioned it on the radio pregame along with Batcherlor mentioning it talking tigers..

So who is the back 7?
Rance
Chaplin
Grimes
Batcherlor
Vlastuin
Houli

Who is the 7th?
Hunt?

TigerImposter · Jul 13, 2015

Yes

TheDyerLegacy said:
Anyone else keep hearing the club referring to the defence as the 'back 7'
Dimma mentioned it on the radio pregame along with Batcherlor mentioning it talking tigers..

So who is the back 7?
Rance
Chaplin
Grimes
Batcherlor
Vlastuin
Houli

Who is the 7th?
Hunt?

,I've been reading posters quoting it also. So like you I assumed Hunt, but knowing DH it's probably Morris

SpudsLoveChild · Jul 13, 2015

TheDyerLegacy said:
Anyone else keep hearing the club referring to the defence as the 'back 7'
Dimma mentioned it on the radio pregame along with Batcherlor mentioning it talking tigers..

So who is the back 7?
Rance
Chaplin
Grimes
Batcherlor
Vlastuin
Houli

Who is the 7th?
Hunt?

Yeah, Hunt is number 7.
He had his best game for us on Friday.
I've been a knocker on him as his use of the ball has been very average.
But Friday his decision making and execution with the pill was good.
If he continues to improve, he will be a real asset.

RunningBounce · Jul 13, 2015

The ladder says we have the fifth least points against. I know that's a combination of midfield and backline, but I'd say it agrees pretty well with my estimation. I'd maybe rate us fourth. That WCE press is covering for a backline that probably wouldn't cope with a one-on-one onslaught. (Until they get Brown and Mckenzie back, anyhow.)

Our backline are our strongest line, IMO, but they still have some improving to do before they look like a premiership back six (or seven).

I'm really impressed with Vlastuin. Have long thought another quality HBF was necessary. He is a big contributor to this year's improvement.

I reckon we could use a bit more attacking output from the pockets. Grimes and Batch are having great seasons defensively, but they are don't often give us much going the other way. Hunt's speed is fantastic, but his clangers can hurt. An upgrade there would help, too.

Infamy · Jul 13, 2015

RunningBounce said:
The ladder says we have the fifth least points against. I know that's a combination of midfield and backline, but I'd say it agrees pretty well with my estimation. I'd maybe rate us fourth. That WCE press is covering for a backline that probably wouldn't cope with a one-on-one onslaught. (Until they get Brown and Mckenzie back, anyhow.)

Our backline are our strongest line, IMO, but they still have some improving to do before they look like a premiership back six (or seven).

I'm really impressed with Vlastuin. Have long thought another quality HBF was necessary. He is a big contributor to this year's improvement.

I reckon we could use a bit more attacking output from the pockets. Grimes and Batch are having great seasons defensively, but they are don't often give us much going the other way. Hunt's speed is fantastic, but his clangers can hurt. An upgrade there would help, too.

Its interesting that if you sort the ladder by Points For & Points Against rather than wins, when you order it by Points Against its very close to the actual ladder, however by Points For it is much more all over the place. Seems like we have the important part (defence) at the standard it needs to be to be a contender.

Ralll · Jul 13, 2015

Its going along well(backline), they can still get out marked alot, this is why I eventually want Astbury in to help counter the strong overhead forwards that can get on top of us.
Also we still need the pro small defender but Hunt and Houli seem to be stopping them ok for now.

The attitude of our back six is their strength, I feel Vlas gets caught up believing the hype sometimes but with guys like Rance/Chappy/Houli/Grimes down there he has some good role models to keep him working hard.

SpudsLoveChild · Jul 14, 2015

Infamy said:
Its interesting that if you sort the ladder by Points For & Points Against rather than wins, when you order it by Points Against its very close to the actual ladder, however by Points For it is much more all over the place. Seems like we have the important part (defence) at the standard it needs to be to be a contender.

Good point.no pun intended.
Scoring blowouts and dodgy draws skew Points For.
Consistently containing teams to low scores is a measure of a disciplined and well organised team.

When I look at teams that constantly kick big scores, I remember the Cats teams under Blight.
Attack at all costs, kick big scores, so exciting to watch but they won nothing.

TigerImposter · Jul 14, 2015

SpudsLoveChild said:
Good point.no pun intended.
Scoring blowouts and dodgy draws skew Points For.
Consistently containing teams to low scores is a measure of a disciplined and well organised team.

When I look at teams that constantly kick big scores, I remember the Cats teams under Blight.
Attack at all costs, kick big scores, so exciting to watch but they won nothing.

It goes both ways Spuddy Cats under Thompson ,lions under Mathews ,Tigers under Hafey and Hawks under Clarkson all filled their cupboards with silverware.
Ask SRL how he's gone with over defensive sides????

TheDyerLegacy · Jul 14, 2015

I love the Corey Enright comparison in regards to Vlastuin.. Although the more I see him play the half back roll.. I think of bluey McKenna..

SpudsLoveChild · Jul 14, 2015

TigerImposter said:
It goes both ways Spuddy Cats under Thompson ,lions under Mathews ,Tigers under Hafey and Hawks under Clarkson all filled their cupboards with silverware.
Ask SRL how he's gone with over defensive sides????

The three teams you've quoted all had great back lines. Yeah, they also could score as well. The Swans, Eagles and Pies are three teams that recently(ish) won flags built primarily on defence. The Hawks would in all likelihood cut them to shreds though.

TigerImposter · Jul 14, 2015

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SpudsLoveChild said:
The three teams you've quoted all had great back lines. Yeah, they also could score as well. The Swans, Eagles and Pies are three teams that recently(ish) won flags built primarily on defence. The Hawks would in all likelihood cut them to shreds though.

They all had attaching backlines
Hawthorn kept Freo to peanuts on the weekend and still kicked a score
If you have ball winners all over the ground then every player backs themselvelf in
All those teams I mentioned won multiple flags , poor old Micks pies got one before they were put back into line
The Essendon teams and the Hawks of the 80's were no plodders and let's not forget the mosquito fleet cfc teams and the 72 cfc team

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