Our 'culture'

[tugga]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...n-storms-culture/story-e6frfgbo-1226109358113

Terrific article in today's Herald-Sun, about Craig Bellamy and the culture he has instilled at the Melbourne Storm. I believe Bellamy is the best coach of any sport and any code in the country.
As a passionate and paid-up member of both Richmond and the Storm, I see polar opposites of both my clubs' culture. I believe Gale and co are working hard to fix it at Tigerland, but it's no quick fix.
I go to Richmond games hoping to win. I go to Storm games expecting to win.
We all know Richmond has a losing culture since 1982, but I see that more as a losing history. Certainly we are good at it
But instilling a good culture is widely considered the most important aspect at a football club.
How do you view our culture at Richmond? Is there anything you would like to see? What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong?
Discuss.

 

[tiggywigs]

Yep, a very good article. Bellamy is absolutely right when he describes the core values that build culture (such as integrity) come from the key role players at a club. That applies to any succesful organisation IMO. He obviously has the nous/ability to pick the right people. Here's hoping that Benny and co can emulate that.

But every club is a different tribe, and needs to enshrine its difference or otherwise lose its identity (and raison d'etre).

What always appealed to me about being a Richmond supporter is the "passion", win, lose or draw. For me, it was a ferocious passion for the game that was a way of life.

I think we lost our way when we confused passion with power and started to believe you could be ruthless without being accountable (something which had developed by the mid 70's). Then we just set about the blood letting that inevitably accompanies the blame game.

When the Tiger "roar" goes up from the crowd, the whole football knows it's game on. It's time for the passion and the power to work together - to fight and fight and win.

 

[TJTIGER]

The cultue issue is a tough one to comment on. Since Dimma's arrival the team seems to be playing better in my opinion than before the 22 or so players finished up. Would someone like to have a shot at defining the term cultue?? that may focus the discussion a bit more.

 

[TJTIGER]

Just had a quick read of the article and a litle bit jumped out at me. The part where Bellamy says you have to bring in people who are good people away from the field. I think he goes on to say you can't be an idiot most of the time then come in and play on game day. I'm pretty sure that's what was being said about Reece, Batchelor(good guys off the field) but I have'nt heard a lot about the other recruits.

 

[TJTIGER]

Also a good read in the Australian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...orm-at-melbourne/story-e6frg7mf-1226109392245

There are other bits of info like the coaches ability to impart ideas that others being willing to buy into those and a strong sense of mateship. For me Dimma is already working on these aspects.
Go Tiges!!!

 

[smasha]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...n-storms-culture/story-e6frfgbo-1226109358113

Terrific article in today's Herald-Sun, about Craig Bellamy and the culture he has instilled at the Melbourne Storm. I believe Bellamy is the best coach of any sport and any code in the country.
As a passionate and paid-up member of both Richmond and the Storm, I see polar opposites of both my clubs' culture. I believe Gale and co are working hard to fix it at Tigerland, but it's no quick fix.
I go to Richmond games hoping to win. I go to Storm games expecting to win.
We all know Richmond has a losing culture since 1982, but I see that more as a losing history. Certainly we are good at it
But instilling a good culture is widely considered the most important aspect at a football club.
How do you view our culture at Richmond? Is there anything you would like to see? What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong?
Discuss.

Get 150k more supporters signed up and have alot of billionairte friends like the Collingwood,Carlton and Essendons of this world.

Hawks with Kennett there and his many business associate friends have built Hawthorn up.


I think it all started with those 4 PIe flags.

Richmond were runners up in the first 3.

Those 4 flags created Collingwood's dynasty and we have been in their shadow as far as money and having power ever since.


3 premierships lost in a row would kill anyone.

It's amazing the Richmond faithful stayed after that.

We win those flags and we would be overwhelmingly the biggest club now.

Today a winning culture is alot to do with a strong cheque book and big resources.

Benny is addressing this and we just have to put money into the FTF.

In a couple of brief histories,we got things right but now,when money is a massive part of football,we HAVE to BUILD this club to such get on the same stage.

Alot of winning culture is luck too.

Players in the draft that are in the teens or twentys can out do the number 1 pick.

Get a few superstars in your team through luck can build a "winning culture"
I don't believe the "winning culture" BS at Carlton.

They built up their "winning culture" by tanking and that massive Visy cheque they put under Judd's nose.

Without Judd there,they wouldn't even be in the 8 now.

The Doggies and Norths of this world always fight because they love to knock off the tall poppies and they see us as one.

We still are a big club but we need to WALK like a big club.

Get the club facilities up to scratch.

Make it a club that players want to come too.

Look we can't help bastards like Andy D. who compromise everything for their cashcow clubs to make them profit.

Another thing the media.

I reckon we get put under the blowtorch more than other teams put together.

I know when other teams have the same losses,the media make excuses for them.

When it's our turn,they put every knife in the cupboard through us.


Wallace at Richmond? Enemy number 1.

Wallace leaves Richmond? Media love him.

Make no mistake,being a Richmond coach,Hardwick will have incredible amounts of pressure put on him by the media.

WE HAVE TO JUST TURN THE RADIO OFF.

DON'T GET SUCKED IN BY THEIR BS.

FOLLOW THROUGH WITH BENNY'S PLAN.

There is just this real hatred for our club in media circles and they love nothing to better to beat us when we're down.

Maybe brought up by their parents that way?

The legacy of 67-74 era?

All I know,all things equal ,we are the best club in the league.

Best jumper,song,area,everything we have is better than anyone else.

THe only thing we haven't got are many billionaires and endless pots of money and favourable draws by Andy D.

Little does he know,is that if this club actually got big,Andy D. would make more money than the clubs he protects now lol.

STAND FIRM ,NEVER ****ING GIVE IN.

WE ARE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS.

RICHMOND WE LOVE and WE WILL FIGHT ALL THE WAY!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

For to long IMO we have placed natural ability over work rate when drafting. Meaning we have had highly talented players who upon their best day are very much AFL standard , however when challenged by the opposition whether it be in games we are expected to win or when individually given focus , either via the media or by opposing tag , have gone to water .
A player with the right attitude / mentality you can train to be a elite player , a elite talented player is alot harder to train to be mentally elite !

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yep, a very good article. Bellamy is absolutely right when he describes the core values that build culture (such as integrity) come from the key role players at a club. That applies to any succesful organisation IMO. He obviously has the nous/ability to pick the right people. Here's hoping that Benny and co can emulate that.

But every club is a different tribe, and needs to enshrine its difference or otherwise lose its identity (and raison d'etre).

What always appealed to me about being a Richmond supporter is the "passion", win, lose or draw. For me, it was a ferocious passion for the game that was a way of life.

I think we lost our way when we confused passion with power and started to believe you could be ruthless without being accountable (something which had developed by the mid 70's). Then we just set about the blood letting that inevitably accompanies the blame game.

When the Tiger "roar" goes up from the crowd, the whole football knows it's game on. It's time for the passion and the power to work together - to fight and fight and win.

Outstanding post.

 

[mellowyellow]

I believe we're on the right track ..There seems to be an air of purpose and resolve by the key individuals within the RFC to change that culture and Ben is clearly the individual driving that change.
The fact that the club is targeting individuals like Neil Craig and the alike also speaks to that belief, that surrounding yourself with the right people, cultivates a winning culture

At the moment Leadership within our playing group is probably a key issue, so instilling belief and resolve within that group clearly starts with the likes of Newman, Lids,Jackson, Cotchin . If they cant affect this change, then they should be moved aside and replaced with those whom the club believes can move us forward.

Unlike previous administrations, this one seems determined to bring the change that fans have long been calling out for....so I for one, am extremely optimsitic.

 

[Bojangles17]

I reckon the club needs one heck of a shake up at year end considering we have barely gone halfway to delivering on the "improvement" graph...notwithstanding there remains ample opportunity to turnaround. If I were March and the season ended last week , Id personally sack the following

Daniel Jackson...gone and adds nothing
Craig Cameron to be replaced by dale weightman as interim Football mgr
Danny Daly...the forward lines a joke
brendan lade...the rucks are deplorable
Tim clarke...coburg are a joke
and throw in newett, he's clearly achieved **** all too.

All of these to be SACKED on the one day to really underline what we stand for and more importantly what we expect. this would have the football dept on notice as they enter 2012 that RESULTS is what drives us...deliver NOTHING and join the queue

 

[peejay]

I reckon the club needs one heck of a shake up at year end considering we have barely gone halfway to delivering on the "improvement" graph...notwithstanding there remains ample opportunity to turnaround. If I were March and the season ended last week , Id personally sack the following

Daniel Jackson...gone and adds nothing
Craig Cameron to be replaced by dale weightman as interim Football mgr
Danny Daly...the forward lines a joke
brendan lade...the rucks are deplorable
Tim clarke...coburg are a joke
and throw in newett, he's clearly achieved **** all too.

All of these to be SACKED on the one day to really underline what we stand for and more importantly what we expect. this would have the football dept on notice as they enter 2012 that RESULTS is what drives us...deliver NOTHING and join the queue

Hard words Bo but i agree with you more than disagree.

Our culture is mediocre.

 

[IDGAF]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...n-storms-culture/story-e6frfgbo-1226109358113

Terrific article in today's Herald-Sun, about Craig Bellamy and the culture he has instilled at the Melbourne Storm. I believe Bellamy is the best coach of any sport and any code in the country.
As a passionate and paid-up member of both Richmond and the Storm, I see polar opposites of both my clubs' culture. I believe Gale and co are working hard to fix it at Tigerland, but it's no quick fix.
I go to Richmond games hoping to win. I go to Storm games expecting to win.
We all know Richmond has a losing culture since 1982, but I see that more as a losing history. Certainly we are good at it
But instilling a good culture is widely considered the most important aspect at a football club.
How do you view our culture at Richmond? Is there anything you would like to see? What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong?
Discuss.

I believe i touched on the Bellamy thing a couple of weeks ago .

Will say this till im blue in the face .

Our culture is why we are so shit

We can tank , we can trade , we can cull , we can sack , we can draft .... till we are blue int he face .

Fact is ... we dont develop footballers , we dont develop people , there is never true unity , we continuously bring "the wrong" type of poeple to our club . We recruit project players and problem children others won't touch .

We all read about Jake King today ? ...FFS ...Troy Taylor ... Ben cousins

We have heard stories about Daniel Jackson being an alpha male strutting around the place rubbing people up the wrong way .

I seriously think its time to outsource the running of the whole club ... because im not far off giving up .

I'll say it again .... give Craig Bellamy a mill a year to step in and run our football dept. how he sees fit

 

[Madison]

No doubt culture is massive. It's also so hard to fix/figure out, because it's not a visible entity.

I think getting good characters into the club (not just good footballers) is key, which we seem to have finally realised.

Its all about getting everyone at the club working together for the one goal, and everyone doing whatever it takes to acheive that goal. Sounds simple enough, but it is easier said than done.

Sydney's "no dick head"policy is the simplest way to go about it.

 

[1980GFVideo]

I believe i touched on the Bellamy thing a couple of weeks ago .

Will say this till im blue in the face .

Our culture is why we are so shit

We can tank , we can trade , we can cull , we can sack , we can draft .... till we are blue int he face .

Fact is ... we dont develop footballers , we dont develop people , there is never true unity , we continuously bring "the wrong" type of poeple to our club . We recruit project players and problem children others won't touch .

We all read about Jake King today ? ...FFS ...Troy Taylor ... Ben cousins

We have heard stories about Daniel Jackson being an alpha male strutting around the place rubbing people up the wrong way .

I seriously think its time to outsource the running of the whole club ... because im not far off giving up .

I'll say it again .... give Craig Bellamy a mill a year to step in and run our football dept. how he sees fit

Ill back you up mate, you did beat Tugga to the idea of Bellamy some weeks ago around the time we got beaten by the Gold Coast. Someone successful with club culture could certainly add to the place without understanding the game itsself.

I thought though Jackson was more the intellect that rubbed the alpha male up the wrong way but either way not good to hear these stories.

There is something wrong there that we are just constantly in development. Must come a time where something gets built or my patience is tested.

I wish only Premiership teams or Grand Finalist could use the word rebuild and other clubs had to use the word, "back to the drawing board"

 

[Numpty Tiger]

Fantastic thread, Tugga!
My two cents worth: our culture has been poor: eat our own, (some allegedly) feral supporters, constant coach sacking, etc.
BUT it is changing and any culture takes time to change. Full stop. You can't change an agreed sense of purpose, belief system, common values overnight. Cultures take years to build/create, so it only makes senses that it takes just as long - perhaps even longer - to turn around. I think we are on that path of change. Problem is we won't know til it happens, but I know sacking another coach, blood-letting at board level, etc will only re-in force the kind of culture we want to be rid of.

One other thing, while I think Storm are fantastic and have nothing against their coach, can I just say this: some things look much better from a distance. Bellemy has no shortage of detractors in the Rugby League world, and plenty of people up here in the Rugby League heartland are of the opinion that anyone could coach such a well established and professional club. Good luck to him, but he hardly inherited a basket-case organization...

 

[NQTIGER]

I believe i touched on the Bellamy thing a couple of weeks ago .

Will say this till im blue in the face .

Our culture is why we are so shit

We can tank , we can trade , we can cull , we can sack , we can draft .... till we are blue int he face .

Fact is ... we dont develop footballers , we dont develop people , there is never true unity , we continuously bring "the wrong" type of poeple to our club . We recruit project players and problem children others won't touch .

We all read about Jake King today ? ...FFS ...Troy Taylor ... Ben cousins

We have heard stories about Daniel Jackson being an alpha male strutting around the place rubbing people up the wrong way .

I seriously think its time to outsource the running of the whole club ... because im not far off giving up .

I'll say it again .... give Craig Bellamy a mill a year to step in and run our football dept. how he sees fit

What he said, we can talk about development but until the cancer is excised we wont get better.

Project players....andrew krakouer , troy taylor etc etc etc

next cab off the rank Andrew lovett

 

[NQTIGER]

Fantastic thread, Tugga!
My two cents worth: our culture has been poor: eat our own, (some allegedly) feral supporters, constant coach sacking, etc.
BUT it is changing and any culture takes time to change. Full stop. You can't change an agreed sense of purpose, belief system, common values overnight. Cultures take years to build/create, so it only makes senses that it takes just as long - perhaps even longer - to turn around. I think we are on that path of change. Problem is we won't know til it happens, but I know sacking another coach, blood-letting at board level, etc will only re-in force the kind of culture we want to be rid of.

One other thing, while I think Storm are fantastic and have nothing against their coach, can I just say this: some things look much better from a distance. Bellemy has no shortage of detractors in the Rugby League world, and plenty of people up here in the Rugby League heartland are of the opinion that anyone could coach such a well established and professional club. Good luck to him, but he hardly inherited a basket-case organization...

Mate they have only been in the comp 5 minutes, compared to us or some other rugby league sides.

In a foreign environment etc etc, btw the cowboys say hi.

 

[Bojangles17]

a new culture will emerge when we have the right types in leadership roles within the club. I'm suggesting onfield we need to tread a different path to the failed one of recent years. axe the entire leadership group and then appoint 2 players as capt and VC, to annexe any more players into this group is rewarding mediocrity. there aint enough room for more than one sherrif. Try something different and nominate a couple of players that play the game as it should be played
\
Cotch as captain
Rance Vice Captain

that is all

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Cotch as captain
Rance Vice Captain

Now thats a bloody well long over due start... ...

And follow it up with some serious assistant coaches...neeld... ...

 

[IDGAF]

One other thing, while I think Storm are fantastic and have nothing against their coach, can I just say this: some things look much better from a distance. Bellemy has no shortage of detractors in the Rugby League world, and plenty of people up here in the Rugby League heartland are of the opinion that anyone could coach such a well established and professional club. Good luck to him, but he hardly inherited a basket-case organization...

That is one of the worst quotes i have ever read on this board .

You MUST live in sydney

its actually an hilarious post the more i read it

Come at me Bra ... back up your BS

 

[Bojangles17]

That is one of the worst quotes i have ever read on this board .

You MUST live in sydney

its actually an hilarious post the more i read it

Come at me Bra ... back up your BS

lol, I barely follow the code but recognise that SYDNEY bias from a Mile away...theyve been saying it for years in fact when they were in financial trouble, most wanted them rolled

 

[tugga]

I will say one thing,
Iddy did raise the prospect of Bellamy coaching us. This thread is not going down that line at all. (I will say I love Bellyache more than a man should).

 

[tugga]

Fantastic thread, Tugga!
My two cents worth: our culture has been poor: eat our own, (some allegedly) feral supporters, constant coach sacking, etc.
BUT it is changing and any culture takes time to change. Full stop. You can't change an agreed sense of purpose, belief system, common values overnight. Cultures take years to build/create, so it only makes senses that it takes just as long - perhaps even longer - to turn around. I think we are on that path of change. Problem is we won't know til it happens, but I know sacking another coach, blood-letting at board level, etc will only re-in force the kind of culture we want to be rid of.

One other thing, while I think Storm are fantastic and have nothing against their coach, can I just say this: some things look much better from a distance. Bellemy has no shortage of detractors in the Rugby League world, and plenty of people up here in the Rugby League heartland are of the opinion that anyone could coach such a well established and professional club. Good luck to him, but he hardly inherited a basket-case organization...

Bellamy is a genius mate. Best leader of men of any code in the country.
Just freaks me out how the Storm keep coming upand coming up and coming up and beating the odds all over again.
The coach has everything to do with that.
He is an amazing person.

 

[Crumden]

LMAO. Some of you blokes should be supporting carlton if you want a culture like storms.

 

[tugga]

LMAO. Some of you blokes should be supporting carlton if you want a culture like storms.

You know what Crummers? When you post, I listen.
But you've got this one wrong. Bellamy was not responsible for the sham that happened.
He has sigle handedly got that side back to the top when they have no right to be there.