Our List has major gaps

[Dramoth]

Garlett - 20
Yarran - 19
Gibbs - 21
Murphy - 22
Bower - 22
Kreuzer - 21
Jacobs - 22
Armfield - 23
Joseph - 22
Henderson - 20
Russell - 23
Robinson - 21
Lucas - 19
White - 22
Austin - 21
Hampson - 22

Personally, I think the list is in pretty good shape.

I would like to see where we are when we put another 2 years on the ages of those players and another 30-40 games experience into all of them.

We have a decent list and despite everyone hating to hear it, a very young and inexperienced list.

All the guys you named there are going to be damned good players in a couple of years. They are fine players now, but they miss the finesse that the experience brings.

As for those people saying we should trade such and such for someone impressive or that such and such is shite and should be traded... just remember, an opinion is like an arseh*le... everyone has one but we dont necessarily need to hear from them... I mean hear them.

 

[The Coach]

Well I supose those stats could prove we don't have strong targets, though in the last few years our target (singular) has been as strong as anyones.

It could also prove that the delivery inside 50 isn't very good.

I tend to think this year its a combination of both........but while we have had, at different stages, strong targets in F50........can you tell me a game this year where our delivery to said targets could be considered elite?

I can't think of one, and anytime I have posted that, no-one has corrected me.
Our midfield is elite at many things.......kicking the pill inside 50 to leading targets isn't (or at present doesn't appear to be) one of them.

How good were the Dogs at kicking inside 50 - I know Hall took 1 contested mark and Gia's contested mark may have been inside 50 - they only took 6 contested marks (3 Lake) on their way to taking 29 more marks than us (ie 30% up on us) as their kicking was pinpoint. It probably says a lot about the lack of pressure up the ground

 

[Bluebear]

You don't win AFL games by 50+ points without nice service for the forwards. Geelong game I50s were also very good and the first quarter

Sure you do.
Oour kicking I50 vs Saints and Cats was not elite. Yes, we hit a few targets, but a couple to Waite were just bombed in on his head, and a lot of the others were mopped up by the smalls.

Against the Cats we kicked into space quite a bit for the smalls to run onto.

vs Melbourne was the best footy Carlton have played all year (before they went the superflood, and then it actually flooded).

Surely you jest?
Houlihan snapping off packs, and Thornton marking from hands in the back, Setanta crumbing and giving the pass for Robbo to volley.......doesn't smack of great F50 delivery now does it?.........we jumped them early then went to sleep........and for most of the second, and all of the third Q's melbourne were on top.
Judd sparked us with his dry weather footy in the 4th. If he hadn't of, who knows what might have happened.

Cats game was clearly our best this year.

Even against Collingwood they delivered well into the 50, just couldn't stop them the other way.

Some of our delivery to Setanta early in the Pies game wasn't bad........yet the hospital ball to Hendo in the opening minutes was atrocious..........and I think your in trouble if you are going to hold up the Pies game as an example of our elite kicking skills I50. IIRC Maxwell and Shaw had a field day picking off passes that were being bombed in over the wall the Pies had set up in the middle. We gave up trying to run through it and decided to kick over it............Round 1 vs Tiges I think we delivered the ball pretty well, and maybe even vs Lions round 2.........but it has been down hill mostly since then.

Even if I said to you yes........we delivered the ball well vs Cats and Saints (which I don't actually beleive)......that was 2 months ago.

Sorry, but elite mids with elite kicking skills I50 don't go 2 months between hitting targets.

How often do our forwards have to check their lead because the pass is too long..........moreso, how often do we see kicks like that of Walker to Hampson........the kick was to the advantage side of the forward and forced him to lead to a space where only he was going to get it?

Very rarely.

The Dogs on the other hand.....and TBH even WCE were better than us.....(just shyte in so many other areas) at putting the ball out on front of the leading forward giving the defender no chance to spoil.

Many would think Jammo had a bad game.

I would argue that one out in that much space, with that kind of delivery, most half decent forwards will kill any defenders.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

Sure you do.
Oour kicking I50 vs Saints and Cats was not elite. Yes, we hit a few targets, but a couple to Waite were just bombed in on his head, and a lot of the others were mopped up by the smalls.

That is good kicking. It wasn't dumb luck, the plan was to kick it over St. Kilda's zone and exploit the space out the back - job done.

Against the Cats we kicked into space quite a bit for the smalls to run onto.

Again, planned to exploit Hunt, Mackie, Milburn and Enright's sagging defensive work and use the speed that Betts, Garlett and Yarran have over them to their advantage. Worked to perfection.

Surely you jest?
Houlihan snapping off packs, and Thornton marking from hands in the back, Setanta crumbing and giving the pass for Robbo to volley.......doesn't smack of great F50 delivery now does it?.........we jumped them early then went to sleep........and for most of the second, and all of the third Q's melbourne were on top.
Judd sparked us with his dry weather footy in the 4th. If he hadn't of, who knows what might have happened.

I said the first quarter was our best footy, nothing after that. Robinson's goal was in the third, Judd's work obviously in the rain, so they are moot points. Yes, Houlihan kicked one nice, but scrappy goal. He did kick three for the quarter and has kicked most of his goals this year from set shots.

Even if I said to you yes........we delivered the ball well vs Cats and Saints (which I don't actually beleive)......that was 2 months ago.

Sorry, but elite mids with elite kicking skills I50 don't go 2 months between hitting targets.

The main difference between Carlton's I50s and the Bulldogs' on Sunday is we didn't / don't have a Barry Hall like forward to straighten us up. A big power forward makes a huge difference in the delivery. Our delivery was great last year, because Fev was in the forward line. Setanta, Hendo and Waite simply don't lead with the presence and skill that Fev does.

No Dog gets service like Hall, and other than his six, the rest of their goals were on the run (apart from Gia's, which was terrible defending on Carlton's part).

The major reason for Carlton's scoring drop has been the flooding they have been subjected to in the last 4 games.

 

[mac25]

I would like to see where we are when we put another 2 years on the ages of those players and another 30-40 games experience into all of them.

We have a decent list and despite everyone hating to hear it, a very young and inexperienced list.

All the guys you named there are going to be damned good players in a couple of years. They are fine players now, but they miss the finesse that the experience brings.

As for those people saying we should trade such and such for someone impressive or that such and such is shite and should be traded... just remember, an opinion is like an arseh*le... everyone has one but we dont necessarily need to hear from them... I mean hear them.

You are completely disregarding the fact that against Hawthorn,Fremantle for most of the game and Western Bulldogs in the last 8 weeks, we have been made to look very ordinary, and that has not occured by accident, the young list excuse is a convienent excuse, most teams in the AFL now have a young list, we will not move forward until two key issues are addressed, improved skills & decision making, our team have too many players with below average skills, and secondly our attack will not take us to top 4 and you can keep glossing this over but this has never but more evident.

The reason some people are advocating looking at some trading is because we do not have the luxury of any early picks to improve our list and we are a significant way off the top 5-6 teams and this gap will not be bridged unless we improve specific areas that are seriously in need of addressing.

All the players on the list will not be dammed good players either, some will and some will not.