PAFC 2003 The Good, Bad and Ugly

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Scott, I was not a huge Koula fan, just disappointed he wasnt given more opportunities to prove his worth. We've lost Guerra and Bassett, two very serviceable players, as a result of this narrow mindedness and we still have no flags to show. I dont mean to rag any of you guys up, just love my club and am disappointed with some of the player management thus far.

Will agree on Guerra.

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Scott
Will agree on Guerra.

well thats fine let's be mature and agree to disagree

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
well thats fine let's be mature and agree to disagree

Hey I agreed on one point and that must be a sign you are getting better!

 

[Paralowiepower]

Except haveing Tredders on the bench.
FP you didn't name a coach.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Three times in the finals. I'd say that's a major problem?

He was our best finals player in 2002 and given the award. His finals form cant be questioned.

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Paralowiepower
Except haveing Tredders on the bench.
FP you didn't name a coach.

Don't need to. It could only be Gentlemen Jack. Who else is there??

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Macca19
He was our best finals player in 2002 and given the award. His finals form cant be questioned.

Beg to differ. Barry Hall gave him an absoulte bath in this years first final

 

[sog35]

Wakelin was on Hall. When Bishop was moved onto him, in the third quarter I think, the ball was more down our end than theirs. Midfield pressure and Wakelin not stopping Hall's leads were the major contributors to Hall's good first half.

 

[Portia]

Does Wakelin ever stop leads? I thought he normally relied on Monty, Bishop or Wanganeen to get in the way of his opponent.

 

[sog35]

That's a damn fine point you make. It's Paxman who could stop the leads.

Either way, Bishop was not Hall's direct opponent when he was running rampant.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Don't need to. It could only be Gentlemen Jack. Who else is there??

Only problem is that, at AFL level, Jack couldn't coach a player to have a decent turd.

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Don't need to. It could only be Gentlemen Jack. Who else is there??

This statement probably tells a lot about FP's side, obviously he hasn't watched any games from 1999 onwards so he wouldn't know that Mark Williams is coach and this also probably addresses why Tredrea is on the bench.

Please wake FP from his coma.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Beg to differ. Barry Hall gave him an absoulte bath in this years first final

Have you seen any games over the past 3 years? Barry Hall kicked all his 6 goals on Wakelin. Bishop was on Hall for maybe 15 minutes near the end of the game.

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Macca19
Have you seen any games over the past 3 years? Barry Hall kicked all his 6 goals on Wakelin. Bishop was on Hall for maybe 15 minutes near the end of the game.

Don't forget guys there is the perception that those of us from the Eastern suburbs only go to the games to get squiffy on plonk and chat socialite business...

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Only problem is that, at AFL level, Jack couldn't coach a player to have a decent turd.

Hmm Collingwood 10th to Preliminary final in one season?

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Hmm Collingwood 10th to Preliminary final in one season?

oh and in addition I forgot, whose good work in the early stages is Williams reaping the benefit of now??

 

[PJ Power]

Look, there has been some absolute rubbish posted here.

Tredders is bloody fantastic at CHF and his 2003 goal-kicking, not to mention goal-assisting was superb.

To suggest that Cornesy should be at CHF (conversion 49%, sub-30 goals per season yet again) while Warren removes splinters from his backside, reeks of plenty of tongue-in-cheek nonsense.

One thing though..... I can't see how any Port supporter can rubbish Jack's record at either level.
I'm not suggesting he should replace Choco, but his coaching in 1997 especially, and specifically his ability to get the best out of players who looked destined to be flops, was vital to us getting our AFL life off to a positive start.
I honestly believe that in finals, with the same players available, Jack would have done things differently and probably very much to our benefit.

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by PJ Power
Look, there has been some absolute rubbish posted here.

Tredders is bloody fantastic at CHF and his 2003 goal-kicking, not to mention goal-assisting was superb.

To suggest that Cornesy should be at CHF (conversion 49%, sub-30 goals per season yet again) while Warren removes splinters from his backside, reeks of plenty of tongue-in-cheek nonsense.

One thing though..... I can't see how any Port supporter can rubbish Jack's record at either level.
I'm not suggesting he should replace Choco, but his coaching in 1997 especially, and specifically his ability to get the best out of players who looked destined to be flops, was vital to us getting our AFL life off to a positive start.
I honestly believe that in finals, with the same players available, Jack would have done things differently and probably very much to our benefit.

Well said.

 

[Paralowiepower]

Although I disagree with Fullarton Power, surely everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by PJ Power
One thing though..... I can't see how any Port supporter can rubbish Jack's record at either level.
I'm not suggesting he should replace Choco, but his coaching in 1997 especially, and specifically his ability to get the best out of players who looked destined to be flops, was vital to us getting our AFL life off to a positive start.
I honestly believe that in finals, with the same players available, Jack would have done things differently and probably very much to our benefit.

I don't think anybody has rubbished Jack's record but one poster in particular has dismissed Mark Williams as though he doesn't exist.

Its okay to say that Jack would have done this and that had he coached Port to the finals in the AFL but the fact is he didn't.

Cahill won 43% of his games as coach
Williams has won 61% of his games as coach

Some people need to let go, Jacks gone!

Hopefully 2004 is the year that Marks makes his Mark, wasn't that the motto in 1999?

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
oh and in addition I forgot, whose good work in the early stages is Williams reaping the benefit of now??

I would have to disagree with you on this, just have a look at the players below who are still at the club that were recruited by John Cahill.

Peter Burgoyne
Chad Cornes
Stuart Dew
Josh Francou
Roger James
Adam Kingsley
Brendon Lade
Matthew Primus
Warren Tredrea
Gavin Wanganeen
Michael Wilson

While these names might the core of our side over a good period of time these are the only players left from the John Cahill period. Apart from Adam Kingsley and Chad Cornes who were taken in the draft all of these players would have been in the initial squad whether the side be coached by John Cahill, Mark Williams or Joe Bloggs.

I guess you would say that Malcolm Blight reaped the rewards from all of Robert Shaws good work too.

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by Paralowiepower
Although I disagree with Fullarton Power, surely everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Correct, FP is entitled to his opinion and seeing that I am entitled to have mine I have decided in the most part to disagree with his.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Scott


I guess you would say that Malcolm Blight reaped the rewards from all of Robert Shaws good work too.

Actually he did. Although Malcolm Blight was a far superior coach, his record at the recruiting table was abysmal compared to Robert Shaw.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Scott
I don't think anybody has rubbished Jack's record but one poster in particular has dismissed Mark Williams as though he doesn't exist.

Its okay to say that Jack would have done this and that had he coached Port to the finals in the AFL but the fact is he didn't.

Cahill won 43% of his games as coach
Williams has won 61% of his games as coach

Some people need to let go, Jacks gone!

Hopefully 2004 is the year that Marks makes his Mark, wasn't that the motto in 1999?

Agree 100%, and he had to go when he did. Our only problem was the sentimental crap that decreed that because your name is Williams you MUST be able to coach. The time has come for sentiment to be shown the door, or we are doomed again.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Fullarton Power
Hmm Collingwood 10th to Preliminary final in one season?

And that Preliminary Final that Jack got Collingwood into in 84 is the biggest losing margin in a final of all time. 133 points.

Not to mention they went from 6th to 3rd, not 10th to 3rd in the one season.