Palmer

[Belnakor]

Clangers aren't kicking errors, nuff said. You should know that, but you don't.

Clanger is when you kick directly onto an opponents chest - a disposal error is just not hitting a target.

The AFL web sites "disposal efficiency" is a load of shit.

 

[Belnakor]

And Palmer is an absolute ball magnet, but doesn't mind taking on the opposition. Could be the messiah just give him this year to get his disposal a bit better. All that is training - he doesn't shank his kicks, he just doesn't know quite where to kick it yet.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Obviously you are a very young fella so I will make allowances for you ,but begin to learn the basics of the game before you start to can people here for not bowing to yout opinions.Obviously you have a good hold but not on the game.

Funny. Very funny. It says there that Rhys only had 5 clangers - which is a high amount of clangers - but he also had 15 errors with those 5 clangers. Clangers are kicks/handballs direct to an opposition if I remember correctly and errors are kicks or hanballs that do not hit a target and cause a ballup/turnover/passage of unclean play. Aka they are ineffective.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Clanger is when you kick directly onto an opponents chest - a disposal error is just not hitting a target.

The AFL web sites "disposal efficiency" is a load of shit.

Yeah I meant to say "Aren't just kicking errors" My bad. And the disposal efficiency isn't a load of shit.

 

[Lach72]

Funny. Very funny. It says there that Rhys only had 5 clangers - which is a high amount of clangers - but he also had 15 errors with those 5 clangers. Clangers are kicks/handballs direct to an opposition if I remember correctly and errors are kicks or hanballs that do not hit a target and cause a ballup/turnover/passage of unclean play. Aka they are ineffective.

I don't think Prostats have separate clangers and errors, just errors

I think? Anyone got the Prostats definition of an error?

 

[Lach72]

Palmer only spent 72% of the game on the ground and still got 29 possessions

 

[Faz 2000]

While you're climbing into Palmer for his 15 errors (according to Pro-Stats), save some for Byron Schammer who had 16 in his 20 touches. Hahaha.

"Errors" on their own are a stupid stat. There's no WAY winning a clearance and hammering it inside 50 to a pack should be "ineffective". But there you go. Take it for what it's worth.

Palmer is an absolute ripper. Seems to be everything Freo's midfield lacks in one guy. Fast, confident, takes the opponent on. Like what I'm seeing.

 

[Chops_a_must]

Funny. Very funny. It says there that Rhys only had 5 clangers - which is a high amount of clangers - but he also had 15 errors with those 5 clangers. Clangers are kicks/handballs direct to an opposition if I remember correctly and errors are kicks or hanballs that do not hit a target and cause a ballup/turnover/passage of unclean play. Aka they are ineffective.

So you think Shepherding isn't a big deal, and that Palmer is an ineffective player?


MATE!! What are you smoking????!!!!!

Surely you can see the correlation (in general, excluding Schammer and M Carr who make the same percentage of mistakes regardless of where they get the ball) between the amount of hard ball wins, and mistakes? I mean christ... if someone wins a lot of ball under pressure, of course they are going to make a greater proportion of mistakes.

And when people don't shepherd, and work as hard as this kid does on the other end, then the efficiency goes down. But as you get more posessions, you are more likely to make more mistakes. Doesn't take a PHD in Logic to work that out.

But the amount of times Palmer got run down against Richmond because his teammates were standing around like spare dicks, not helping him out, not working hard enough for him, was astounding. And I assume it's that fantastic team work that led to a lot of those inefficiencies again...

 

[Faz 2000]

To further support your point, Chops_a_must, 3 of the highest "error" totals in the league belong to Si Black, Lenny Hayes and Lance Franklin. I think you could make a fair argument that a) those guys win their own ball and b) that they contribute a fair bit to their respective teams.

Something that is not so flash for Freo fans is that there are 4 Dockers in the Top 20 in the league (for errors) and 6 in the Top 40 (Palmer, Schammer, Headland, Gilmore, Johnson Crowley).

Then again, there are 6 Hawks and 8 Cats... so I guess all it means is you've got the ball!

 

[Lach72]

To further support your point, Chops_a_must, 3 of the highest "error" totals in the league belong to Si Black, Lenny Hayes and Lance Franklin. I think you could make a fair argument that a) those guys win their own ball and b) that they contribute a fair bit to their respective teams.

Something that is not so flash for Freo fans is that there are 4 Dockers in the Top 20 in the league (for errors) and 6 in the Top 40 (Palmer, Schammer, Headland, Gilmore, Johnson Crowley).

Then again, there are 6 Hawks and 8 Cats... so I guess all it means is you've got the ball!

That would be true if we had as much possession as Geelong or the Hawks...but we don't and when we get the ball we butcher it

 

[Alfonz]

Yes he missed a few targets, but with time and adjusting to the game speed he will improve. Part of these "errors" is also due to having no clear options to kick it to in front of him, so he has to kick it to a contest or open space. Or take on 3 players and try to create something. Sometimes he beats them, but this might also create some holding the ball clanger that some people want to use to say his disposal is shyte, when really its teammates not working hard enough to help him out or give him an option.

There was one 50m lace out pass he threaded the needle with in the last quarter which shows he can kick. Or go back and look at the videos of him kicking goals in that game vs Victoria. His kicking action and mechanics look fine, the ball seems to come off his boot with the correct spin and with reasonable penetration. Its all about getting used to AFL level. Ibbotson I rate as one of our very best kicks, but he was shanking them sideways in the first quarter. Then lo and behold he improved.

 

[estibador]

I'm not sure if you're having a go at my original post...

Nah I wasn't - I was having a go at all the DT fanbois from other teams who come on here telling us (us - who actually watched the game) that our players didn't play as well as we think 'because the DT stats say so'.

And I'm having a go at the validity of those stats in the first place.

 

[brent-83]

Nah I wasn't - I was having a go at all the DT fanbois from other teams who come on here telling us (us - who actually watched the game) that our players didn't play as well as we think 'because the DT stats say so'.

And I'm having a go at the validity of those stats in the first place.

I was at the game, and I thought he played his heart out. I was cursing him at a majority of clearances and he would streak by and have the ball in his hands. He definately burnt the ball some, but I think that a decent chunk of that can be attributed to the fact he seemed tired towards the end of the game and have very little to kick to in the forward line.

The kid has played what, 4 games now? Anyone critisizing him should be shot, he has been the class rookie from last years draft to date. I'd love to have an up and comer in my team doing what he has done in his first 4 games.

... and for a DT fanboys perspective, he was gold on the weekend .