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I hope he doesnt get overbowled like Hilfenhaus was a few years ago. Does look like a serious talent no doubt. Probably good timing with the end of the season and he has a chance to rest his body and come back fresh next year bigger/stronger.
 

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Ill Chicken said:
I'm pretty sure they're still in place, something like 6 overs for quick under 17 and 8 for quick under 19.
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In sydney grade cricket they do which makes pats final effort amazing as it would take him about 3 games to bowl what he did in 3 days.

Also amir wasn't 17. In pakistan if you dont make tje u19s you'll never make the national side, so many players lie about there age
 
damochandler said:
well that's the last time we'll see him bowl yorkers than
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the yorker he bowled to cosgrove was first rate. it was an absolute perler and an even better effrot from the big man to keep it out.

HFF_07 said:
As silly as it sounds, do restrictions still apply at first grade level?
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yep. he'll be on under 19's level next season which is 8 over spells, 20 overs a day.

i don't mind the amount of overs in a day restrictions, but i really dislike the spells restrictions. the worst thing for you is when you cool down and have to come back on and this rule ensure if a youngster is to bowl out his full overs he will bowl a minimum of 3 spells.

i would be pretty confident that the majority of damage down to quick bowlers is in the first 2-3 overs of a spell, and from about 10 to 12 overs and above depeding on individuals (some like Copeland can just keep bowling). those middle overs when your in a rythym are the best to be bowling.

cummins is one hell of a prospect. i would say definately the best since shaun tait, but probably since before him (Brett Lee....). He's got a much better and smoother action than Tait.

There is still a lot of water to come under this bridge. He hasn't exactly dominated at open senior level (about 25 wkts at 25 in first grade this season and whatever he did for NSW) but at 17 you can't expect a guy to take a bag of wickets.

The only thing holding him back at the moment is just experience and having the patience and guile to get batsmen out. You'd have to think he'd have a break out season at one point and when that happens i'd be getting him into the national set up. that may not happen for a few years, it may happen next season, it may never happen...

for me, the key to keeping him on the park will be limiting his exposure to 20/20 cricket. i really reckon that game is a curse on quick bowlers with the short spells, the bodies been throwing around the field and the high intensity it's played out.

Get Pattinson on the field and i reckon those two could very well be the main stay of our bowling line-up for a fairly extended period...
 
oobee007 said:
Also amir wasn't 17. In pakistan if you dont make tje u19s you'll never make the national side, so many players lie about there age
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He isn't exactly 25 either. Whether he is 17, 18 or 19 shouldn't make a difference.
 
Black Thunder said:
Get Pattinson on the field and i reckon those two could very well be the main stay of our bowling line-up for a fairly extended period...
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Just on Pattinson, (James). Dominated on the weekend for Dandenong in grade cricket in Victoria..

Did damage with both bat (50 not out) and ball (3/43) to show his true value as a top line prospect.

I think these two will be very exciting prospects, we really seem to have a plethora of good young fast bowling (prospects) but the development is really the key now, shame it cant be the same from out young batsmen..
 
damochandler said:
does the kid know how to bowl yorkers. that's another thing cooley will make sure puts a stop to when he is at the academy
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He does. Bowled one of the best yorkers I'v ever seen to Cosi who some how survived and fell over doing it. I agree that Cooley will take that out of his game for sure.
 
Smokey_22 said:
Theres plenty like him in the Sydney grades. Fast bowling factory.

The only reason he's playing is because Hazelwood and Starc are out.
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I doubt it. There are hardly any players in world cricket that can swing it both ways while bowling at 145KM/h and with accuracy let alone in State cricket or the Australian team. I doubt there are guys in grade cricket bowling 145km/h, swinging it both ways and bowling every ball on the spot. There's a little Dennis Lillie about Cummings I recon.

I look forward to guys like Keith, Cumings, Finch, Starc getting into the Aus team.
 
Ill Chicken said:
I'm pretty sure they're still in place, something like 6 overs for quick under 17 and 8 for quick under 19.
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The limit in overs was put in to protect young players from getting overuse injuries, stress fractures & the like. What NSW did to Cummings was bloody criminal. How many young fast bowlers have they stuffed up this year? Wanting to win is one thing, but 50 over for a 17yo is a bloody disgrace. Now junior coaches & players will start to ignore the rules that were ment to protect them.Those responsible should be sacked.
 

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gbatman said:
I doubt it. There are hardly any players in world cricket that can swing it both ways while bowling at 145KM/h and with accuracy let alone in State cricket or the Australian team. I doubt there are guys in grade cricket bowling 145km/h, swinging it both ways and bowling every ball on the spot. There's a little Dennis Lillie about Cummings I recon.

I look forward to guys like Keith, Cumings, Finch, Starc getting into the Aus team.
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He's 17 for gawd's sake, I don't believe for a minute that he is bowling every ball on the spot. Hypety, hypety, hype, hype, hype.
 
madmug said:
The limit in overs was put in to protect young players from getting overuse injuries, stress fractures & the like. What NSW did to Cummings was bloody criminal. How many young fast bowlers have they stuffed up this year? Wanting to win is one thing, but 50 over for a 17yo is a bloody disgrace. Now junior coaches & players will start to ignore the rules that were ment to protect them.Those responsible should be sacked.
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There's a fair bit of debate as to whether those limits are actually a good idea. What seems to be more important is a good action and stable core, and then alot of bowling tends to build endurance.

Constant warming up/cooling down however seems to be an issue, and isnt a huge surprise that alot of stress fractures have been occuring in recent times during the twenty20 era - constant warm up, bowl an over or two then cool down then have to warm up again etc.

50 odd overs for a 17 year old is a bit excessive but regular bowling seems to be pretty important.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
He's 17 for gawd's sake, I don't believe for a minute that he is bowling every ball on the spot. Hypety, hypety, hype, hype, hype.
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Another example of NSW hype school wanting the entire test team from NSW.

Surely the Test team is shyteful enough already packed with dodgy NSw players to be made any worse
 
Gavin Excell said:
Another example of NSW hype school wanting the entire test team from NSW.

Surely the Test team is shyteful enough already packed with dodgy NSw players to be made any worse
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That says a lot about the shit the other 5 states are producing.

Are you one of those nuts that believe White should be captaining the country? Lol.
 
Bomber Bears said:
There's a fair bit of debate as to whether those limits are actually a good idea. What seems to be more important is a good action and stable core, and then alot of bowling tends to build endurance.

Constant warming up/cooling down however seems to be an issue, and isnt a huge surprise that alot of stress fractures have been occuring in recent times during the twenty20 era - constant warm up, bowl an over or two then cool down then have to warm up again etc.

50 odd overs for a 17 year old is a bit excessive but regular bowling seems to be pretty important.
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Good points but to bowl as much as he did is overuse by any definition. The NSWCA seem to have shown a poor record of managing fast bowlers given their high injury list. I still say what they did to Cummings was bloody irresponsible. They chose to go into the match being one bowler short. Thats a premeditated decision & a poor decision at that. I've no doubt that if Tassie CA did such a thing to a talent like Cummings, then the press & BF would be all over it!!! As They Should Be.
 
I doubt it tbh. We couldnt help having, well, barely any fit bowlers available.

And it seems to be once they get involved in the Australian set up they get injured (Hazlewood, Starc, McKay).

Gavin, I'm pretty sure no one wants him in the test team at this point. When you see a bowler who can bowl 140 km/h at 17 and does have a good yorker an bouncer they are a pretty promising prospect in a few years time. No one expects 17 year olds to get it right every time, comes with maturity. I'm more concerned about 29 year olds in the current Australian side who cant put the ball on the spot consistently. I'm very sorry that as a state we seem to produce alot of very promising cricketers. I understand it's much easier for Victorians of your ilk to whinge about the NSW hype machine (without realising that some of these play pretty well) whilst not producing many decent cricketers of your own.
Keep it up champ
 

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cummins did go through a lot of overs in that game. more than you can expect of a 17 year old... that had a more to do with Katich's inability to rely on Coyte or O'Keefe and not having a solid fifth bowling option which would have been henriques if fit...

O'Keefe should have bowled a lot more overs.

Cummins seemed to have come through the test pretty well though.

His figures in shield haven't been great but you can't expect a 17 year old to come and dominate... even when technically someone bowling 140+ and swining it both ways should be taking plenty of wickets. he's a bit erratic (as teenagers are) and in cricket experience is such a massive thing...
 
Hopefully he will get another shot at Shield cricket next season so he can get a gauge for how he is traveling. The encouraging signs are definitely there and he looks to have all the right indigents to make it at the next level, just a case of putting it all together.
 
aussie1st said:
Hopefully he will get another shot at Shield cricket next season so he can get a gauge for how he is traveling. The encouraging signs are definitely there and he looks to have all the right indigents to make it at the next level, just a case of putting it all together.
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Im glad I dont have to decide on our shield bowling lineup next season. Copeland, potentially Bollinger, fit again Hazlewood and Starc, maybe Cameron, then Cummins even possibly Bills, and no idea what Stuart Clark is doing (although if he does play should be limited overs only, doesnt have the body to last 4 days anymore).

Then there is Hauritz vs O'Keefe
 
Bomber Bears said:
Im glad I dont have to decide on our shield bowling lineup next season. Copeland, potentially Bollinger, fit again Hazlewood and Starc, maybe Cameron, then Cummins even possibly Bills, and no idea what Stuart Clark is doing (although if he does play should be limited overs only, doesnt have the body to last 4 days anymore).

Then there is Hauritz vs O'Keefe
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Don't forget Cockley, who will hopefully return at some point, plus Abbott who has been promising with the ball.

All fit, I'd probably go with O'Keefe and Hauritz at 7 and 8, with Copeland, Bollinger and Cameron the main seamers, Henriques to bowl a few and bat at 6, Nevill to bat at 5.

Also, just thinking about keepers, whatever happened to Hughes' keeping? He kept for the Australian u19s, I wonder why he abandoned it. Just not good enough? Anybody know? Imagine if he was a keeper as well as a prolific opening batsman.... Wouldn't have to worry so much about form dips, which might take the pressure off his technique and allow him to play freely.... I dunno, just thinking out loud really.
 
Surely one or two will have to leave? Wouldnt begrudge Cockley if he went.

Oh, and dont forget Scott Coyte!
 

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