Player Watch Patrick Lipinski

[Bianconeri]

Yeah 20 touches from Lip will hurt teams more then 40 from Crisp.

Would just like him to get 6/7 more touches a game sit around that 26 touches per games.

You’re taking the piss here surely, Crisp is one of our most damaging players.

 

[sr36]

On the edge of the top 5 if he didn't have the issues he had. Pendles, Buckley, Swan, Cloke, Burns, Clement, A Rocca, Williams near the bottom of this list of players.
For sure he had the talent of Moore/Rance he was just made of glass. Great intercept marking, very good 1v1, beautiful left footed kick with penetration, accuracy and fantastic leg speed. He was very much like Moore (has an opportunity to be top 5 as well).

In terms of talent, I'd add in JDG and Moore to the list ahead of him. But yes he was on his way to being one of our best of recent times.

 

[Finnishpie]

There were comments earlier comparing Lipinski to Lockyer. Now for me Lockyer is probably in the top 30-40 players over the last 25 years. Slightly behind players like OBrien, Maxwell, Prestigiacomo and Elliott but slightly in front of players like Toovey, Goldsack and Reid. For me Lockyer is level with players like Ben Johnson, Leon Davis and Shane Wakelin. Great player and if Lipinski gets close to that I would be very happy.

Interesting comparison. You reminded me how good Locker was at his best. I think the club was hoping Lipinski would become Crisp mark 2. I can't see that. More likely to be like Carl Steinfort.

 

[TW Sherrin]

In terms of talent, I'd add in JDG and Moore to the list ahead of him. But yes he was on his way to being one of our best of recent times.

And Didak

 

[sr36]

And Didak

Shit yeah.

 

[Scodog10]

On the edge of the top 5 if he didn't have the issues he had. Pendles, Buckley, Swan, Cloke, Burns, Clement, A Rocca, Williams near the bottom of this list of players.
For sure he had the talent of Moore/Rance he was just made of glass. Great intercept marking, very good 1v1, beautiful left footed kick with penetration, accuracy and fantastic leg speed. He was very much like Moore (has an opportunity to be top 5 as well).

Steele, Grundy, Didak, Davis… he could have been a good one, but top 5 since MM? Not quite.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Steele, Grundy, Didak, Davis… he could have been a good one, but top 5 since MM? Not quite.

Its a tough one because I was talking about a potential/hypothetical career rather than reality. When Ben went AA in 2011 at the age of about 22 he looked like he could finish up with 3+ years of similar output. He unfortunately never quite maintained that due mostly to injury. Apart from Steele all of those players you listed had duel AA years and if Reid had a similar resume, particularly when he showed how well he could work at both ends (a bit like Davis) he could have been as good or better then all of the players you listed. But its just an opinion about a hypothetical situation.

 

[Matrix10]

Yup. I'm happy with Pat. And with consistency with games, he'll only get better. Definitely a fan favourite already.

Fan favourite? He is a solid footballer. You are his fan favourite

 

[Matrix10]

Crisp had the gig for most of the first half, but I don't think there was any deliberate attention being put into him. Halving the rate he was getting possessions in the second half is a neat effort by whoever was involved

Sure Parish got a lot of it , but there was a bit of one , two plays , sideways handballs and he was not that damaging , now if Merrett had those numbers , different story .

 

[manicpie]

Sure Parish got a lot of it , but there was a bit of one , two plays , sideways handballs and he was not that damaging , now if Merrett had those numbers , different story .

30 disposals in a half and only one inside 50, he was playing ring a ring a rosey

 

[gouki88]

Sure Parish got a lot of it , but there was a bit of one , two plays , sideways handballs and he was not that damaging , now if Merrett had those numbers , different story .

I think he gave their mids a lot of first use out of the middle by reading the taps well, but his disposal in and of itself was not damaging.

 

[jimmy35]

30 disposals in a half and only one inside 50, he was playing ring a ring a rosey

Like circlework at training. Really racking them up.

 

[jimmy35]

He’s going to be a fine footballer for us. Neat and skilled player, I like the kid. Amazingly good looking young fella as well.
He, IQ and McCreery are really setting the standards for being ridiculously good looking.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

As someone over that age, it was much more commonly used in that sense in the 70s and 80s than it is now.

There always seemed to be something or someone needing or being 'fingered' in the 60s and 70s. Never hear it used now. Perhaps this says more about my age, lifestyle and peer group pressure than about the decades in which the word was most in vogue.

 

[sr36]

There always seemed to be something or someone needing or being 'fingered' in the 60s and 70s. Never hear it used now. Perhaps this says more about my age, lifestyle and peer group pressure than about the decades in which the word was most in vogue.

Which meaning are you using? As a kid, I only knew one meaning.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Which meaning are you using? As a kid, I only knew one meaning.

Same meaning.

 

[Scodog10]

Its a tough one because I was talking about a potential/hypothetical career rather than reality. When Ben went AA in 2011 at the age of about 22 he looked like he could finish up with 3+ years of similar output. He unfortunately never quite maintained that due mostly to injury. Apart from Steele all of those players you listed had duel AA years and if Reid had a similar resume, particularly when he showed how well he could work at both ends (a bit like Davis) he could have been as good or better then all of the players you listed. But its just an opinion about a hypothetical situation.

I agree he could have reached those heights, but he would have done that without the impact of the others, IMO. Grundy and Steele will retire in the top 5 matches played for the club and with B&F’s to their name which I’m doubtful Reid could have managed. Didak and Davis are on the Carman wavelength where their accolades don’t match their supreme talent (not saying they were as talented to all the Boomers out there) and Reid, whilst talented, wasn’t fit to tie the bootlaces of the other two on that front (in the time I’ve watched it’s P Daicos> N Daicos> Leon>, Dids>, Pendles=Swan). Yours is an interesting hypothetical BTW

FWIW S Rocca kicked 438 goals in that period and in the same sort of way it could be argued had he stayed with us he’d have been in this discussion.

 

[sr36]

FWIW S Rocca kicked 438 goals in that period and in the same sort of way it could be argued had he stayed with us he’d have been in this discussion.

I loved Sav. When Sav was on he was bloody good. But his goal tally flatters him. It was an era of isolating and playing through your full forward and we won when Sav was on, as he'd kick a massive bag, but when he was off, he was bordering on Mason Cox bad and we'd lose. And he was off more often than on. So he'd kick 70 goals for the year, with 60 of them coming in 10 of the games.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I agree he could have reached those heights, but he would have done that without the impact of the others, IMO. Grundy and Steele will retire in the top 5 matches played for the club and with B&F’s to their name which I’m doubtful Reid could have managed. Didak and Davis are on the Carman wavelength where their accolades don’t match their supreme talent (not saying they were as talented to all the Boomers out there) and Reid, whilst talented, wasn’t fit to tie the bootlaces of the other two on that front (in the time I’ve watched it’s P Daicos> N Daicos> Leon>, Dids>, Pendles=Swan). Yours is an interesting hypothetical BTW .

FWIW S Rocca kicked 438 goals in that period and in the same sort of way it could be argued had he stayed with us he’d have been in this discussion.

If we are just talking the MM era and beyond, there was so much unfulfilled talent. In MM eyes Rocca was a dinosaur that didn't fit into his pressure kick it down the wings game plan. He was one of the last of the dying breed of 10 a game forwards. He played about 5 years more for the Roos if I remember correctly. He would have been an interesting prospect in our 2002-3 team. He was a beautiful kick and a strong mark and could have had a Kennedy/Hawkins like career with a possible premiership for us in the fantasy land that is my head. Leon leaving after an AA year had more to offer. It would have been interesting if they swung him back earlier in his career maybe having a Gavin Wanganeen like effect as that attacking defender. Nick Davis one of my favourites of the era just had bucket loads of talent that he never quite fulfilled at the Swans. On talent alone I agree there are many above Ben Reid. There is not a single one of us who don't think that Nick Daicos could be Collingwood's best player since his father on talent alone. Many think he could be better. Anyway as pie fans we could continue this discussion for hours.

 

[sr36]

If we are just talking the MM era and beyond, there was so much unfulfilled talent. In MM eyes Rocca was a dinosaur that didn't fit into his pressure kick it down the wings game plan. He was one of the last of the dying breed of 10 a game forwards. He played about 5 years more for the Roos if I remember correctly. He would have been an interesting prospect in our 2002-3 team. He was a beautiful kick and a strong mark and could have had a Kennedy/Hawkins like career with a possible premiership for us in the fantasy land that is my head. Leon leaving after an AA year had more to offer. It would have been interesting if they swung him back earlier in his career maybe having a Gavin Wanganeen like effect as that attacking defender. Nick Davis one of my favourites of the era just had bucket loads of talent that he never quite fulfilled at the Swans. On talent alone I agree there are many above Ben Reid. There is not a single one of us who don't think that Nick Daicos could be Collingwood's best player since his father on talent alone. Many think he could be better. Anyway as pie fans we could continue this discussion for hours.

In a parallel universe, Nick Davis had a work ethic and won 3 Brownlows.

 

[gouki88]

I loved Sav. When Sav was on he was bloody good. But his goal tally flatters him. It was an era of isolating and playing through your full forward and we won when Sav was on, as he'd kick a massive bag, but when he was off, he was bordering on Mason Cox bad and we'd lose. And he was off more often than on. So he'd kick 70 goals for the year, with 60 of them coming in 10 of the games.

I was too young to see Sav at full flight sadly. Dad always preferred Anthony.

If only they could have fused together to become Jason Dunstall

 

[stormskye]

Solid game from lip. Been copping it of late unfairly very handy acquisition

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I loved Sav. When Sav was on he was bloody good. But his goal tally flatters him. It was an era of isolating and playing through your full forward and we won when Sav was on, as he'd kick a massive bag, but when he was off, he was bordering on Mason Cox bad and we'd lose. And he was off more often than on. So he'd kick 70 goals for the year, with 60 of them coming in 10 of the games.

To claim that sav Roccas goal kicking flatters him because he was good enough to kick bags of ten is disrespectful to one of the only decent full forwards we have had since McKenna. He had a career average of 2.9 goals per game and in his worst year at Collingwood still managed 2.2 per game. Most years (at a quick glance) he’d only come home with a zero only once or twice. And he wasn’t a flat track bully either which perhaps you were implying…..he could kick big scores against the big teams.

People also forget he played half his career at Collingwood during the unShaw years, which can’t be easy for a key forward with the terrible sides we had around that time. Also in his last two years he was injured and only played 24 games in two years.

To be delisted and not even able to manage to get a trade for him was a disgrace. He went on to a very good career at North who got him for free.

 

[sr36]

To claim that sav Roccas goal kicking flatters him because he was good enough to kick bags of ten is disrespectful to one of the only decent full forwards we have had since McKenna. He had a career average of 2.9 goals per game and in his worst year at Collingwood still managed 2.2 per game. Most years (at a quick glance) he’d only come home with a zero only once or twice. And he wasn’t a flat track bully either which perhaps you were implying…..he could kick big scores against the big teams.

People also forget he played half his career at Collingwood during the unShaw years, which can’t be easy for a key forward with the terrible sides we had around that time. Also in his last two years he was injured and only played 24 games in two years.

To be delisted and not even able to manage to get a trade for him was a disgrace. He went on to a very good career at North who got him for free.

By flatters him, I simply meant that he wasn't a great, despite the huge number of goals he kicked.

I wasn't implying he was a flat track bully. He was a massive presence who got delivered a heap of footy. When he was on, he killed it, even against the best - Silvagni used to describe him as one of his most difficult opponents. But he was too unreliable to play through every week, as when he was off he was awful. It's why MM delisted him.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

By flatters him, I simply meant that he wasn't a great, despite the huge number of goals he kicked.

I wasn't implying he was a flat track bully. He was a massive presence who got delivered a heap of footy. When he was on, he killed it, even against the best - Silvagni used to describe him as one of his most difficult opponents. But he was too unreliable to play through every week, as when he was off he was awful. It's why MM delisted him.

His goal kicking records don’t show he was unreliable. I don’t quite understand how you can downplay them.

It was very shortsighted to delist him.. Understandable if he thought sav and tony couldn’t play in the same forwardline but he wasn’t without value and we should have got good trade value for him. His record is outstanding although obviously in his final two years at Collingwood, injury affected.