Paul Hasleby

[rgauci]

Paul Hasleby, Fremantle
All Australian in 2003 ... 20 games in 2007... scored 8.8.... 210 kicks, 86 marks, 241 handballs......averaging 10.5 kicks, 12.0 Handballs, 4.3 marks ... 78 clearances, 70 inside 50m, 28 Rebound 50m.


Gary Ablett, Geelong
Never previously selected …22 games in 2007 … scored 26.23 … 315 kicks, 87 marks, 270 handballs … averaging 14.3 kicks, 4 marks, 12.3 handballs … 81 clearances, 130 Inside 50m, 47 Rebound 50m.

Jimmy Bartel, Geelong
Never previously selected …20 games in 2007 … scored 15.8 … 291 kicks, 127 marks, 254 handballs … averaging 14.6 kicks, 6.4 marks, 12.7 handballs … 77 clearances, 78 Inside 50m, 52 Rebound 50m.

Joel Corey, Geelong
Never previously selected … 22 games in 2007 … scored 7.9 … 301 kicks, 105 marks, 281 handballs …averaging 13.7 kicks, 4.8 marks, 12.8 handballs …117 clearances, 103 Inside 50m, 40 Rebound 50m.

Chad Cornes, Port Adelaide
All-Australian 2004 …. 22 games in 2007 … scored 16.10 … 380 kicks, 159 marks, 182 handballs … averaging 17.3 kicks, 7.2 marks, 8.3 handballs …56 clearances, 99 Inside 50m, 82 Rebound 50m.

Kane Cornes, Port Adelaide
All-Australian 2005 … 22 games in 2007 … scored 9.9 … 317 kicks, 151 marks, 296 handballs … averaging 14.4 kicks, 6.9 marks, 13.5 handballs … 61 clearances, 72 Inside 50m, 51 Rebound 50m.


Nick Dal Santo, St Kilda
All-Australian 2005 … 22 games in 2007 … scored 9.9 … 290 kicks, 66 marks, 182 handballs … averaging 13.2 kicks, 3 marks, 8.3 handballs … 71 clearances, 77 Inside 50m, 53 Rebound 50m.

Luke Hodge, Hawthorn
All-Australian 2005 … 22 games in 2007 … scored 23.14 … 303 kicks, 122 marks, 205 handballs, averaging 13.8 kicks, 5.5 marks, 9.3 handballs …77 clearances, 87 Inside 50m, 51 Rebound 50m.

Nathan Foley, Richmond
Never previously selected … 22 games in 2007 … scored 6.6 … 246 kicks, 46 marks, 286 handballs …averaging 11.2 kicks, 2.1 marks, 13.0 handballs … 105 clearances, 71 Inside 50m, 38 Rebound 50m.

Daniel Kerr, West Coast
Never previously selected … 17 games in 2007 … scored 8.11 … 223 kicks, 46 marks, 238 handballs … averaging 13.1 kicks, 2.7 marks, 14.0 handballs. 89 clearances, 58 Inside 50m, 40 Rebound 50m.

Brett Kirk, Sydney
All-Australian 2004 ... 22 games in 2007 … scored 7.5 … 207 kicks, 75 marks, 283 handballs … averaging 9.4 kicks, 3.4 marks, 12.9 handballs … 118 clearances, 56 Inside 50m, 26 Rebound 50m.

These are the guys being considered for AA selection. Obviously they are elite numbers, but i'm afraid at 26 years of age, we need Hasleby getting elite numbers. There's something in common amongst all the selections, the combined: Inside 50m, Rebound 50m and clearances always amount to more than Hasleby. You could argue that Hasleby doesn't play an outside role, hence he handballs to the guys who get inside 50m or rebound 50m. That is true. But similar players like Brett Kirk, Nathan Foley are KILLING the clearances. In short, just not good enough from Hasleby at the moment.

 

[summerthebat]

My point on this whole issue, is that the stats and my own perception of Hasleby in the last 2 years does not deserve anything over 330 - 350k. I don't want to doubt him as a player, but I feel his management are way out of line asking for an increase or even a similar deal.

 

[dominguez]

BF Freo POTY leaderboard:

1. Pavlich (71)

2. Bell (54)

3. Hasleby (51)

4. Solomon (49)



We voted Hasleby as our third best player in 2007. If Schwab hasn't left enough room in the cap for our third best player then he should be hung, drawn and quartered. He also has bugger all trade value, I can't see us getting a top 20 pick for him.

There are some players who unfortunately clubs have to pay extra dollars to due to the state of their list. If Simmonds was here and Longmuir was fit do you think Sandilands would have got the same amount of money? Mid-year Sandilands basically was our ruck division, so we had to meet his demands. Hasleby is the same. If we had retained our picks the last 3 or 4 years and had some future star midfielders ready to step up with 20-30 games under their belt we could afford to lose Hase. But we don't.

If Hasleby and Bell aren't on our list do people seriously think we'll be a premiership chance in 2008? Atleast Tarrant's biceps look good in purple.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Exactly. Hase played 20 games this season, and had around 5 bad games. Peter Bell played 22 games, and had around 5 bad games... yet Bell is mr untouchable who the club is begging to stay here on 400k a year.. yet people won't even pay Hase 300k? Who are you guys kidding?

When you talk about Inside/Rebound 50s, P.Bell is "mr hard worker"... yet his stats in those categories for the season are identical to Haselbys.

Even the stats show Hase had way more than 5 bad games. And when he has a bad one he goes completely missing. And he doesn't require an elite level tag to knock him off his game. Bell can usually break even with the best.

Bell's inside 50's are way more effective than Hasleby. Hase just bangs it on the boot and he does this 3 or 4 times a game.

Then you should look at goals kicked. Hase 8 goals. Bell 28. Last time I went to the footy, it was goals that won games, not statistics. 20+ goals year midfielders are elite. Hase has never kicked more than 16 in a year and that was four seasons ago.

I reckon the club's offer is on the money.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

BF Freo POTY leaderboard:

1. Pavlich (71)

2. Bell (54)

3. Hasleby (51)

4. Solomon (49)


We voted Hasleby as our third best player in 2007. If Schwab hasn't left enough room in the cap for our third best player then he should be hung, drawn and quartered. He also has bugger all trade value, I can't see us getting a top 20 pick for him.

Doesn't make sense. He's our third best player but no one else wants him.

Hmm, so let me see. In judging football talent we have on the left side, the Dockers Big Footy crew. And on the right hand side we have the match committees of 16 professional AFL clubs.

Doesn't it seem a little far fetched that the 16 AFL clubs have got it wrong?

 

[dominguez]

Even the stats show Hase had way more than 5 bad games. And when he has a bad one he goes completely missing. And he doesn't require an elite level tag to knock him off his game. Bell can usually break even with the best.

Bell's inside 50's are way more effective than Hasleby. Hase just bangs it on the boot and he does this 3 or 4 times a game.

Then you should look at goals kicked. Hase 8 goals. Bell 28. Last time I went to the footy, it was goals that won games, not statistics. 20+ goals year midfielders are elite. Hase has never kicked more than 16 in a year and that was four seasons ago.

I reckon the club's offer is on the money.

I agree with you Ralph that Hase certainly has his flaws. But what are our options, his trade value is low. Surely Hasleby is much more valuable than a 2nd round pick, especially since we are in "premiership mode".

If Bell and Hasleby aren't at the club next year opposition coaches will put a hard tag on Josh and we'll have very little chance of winning games of footy. We'll have an awesome forward line though.

 

[dominguez]

Doesn't make sense. He's our third best player but no one else wants him.

Hmm, so let me see. In judging football talent we have on the left side, the Dockers Big Footy crew. And on the right hand side we have the match committees of 16 professional AFL clubs.

Doesn't it seem a little far fetched that the 16 AFL clubs have got it wrong?

Other teams would definately want him, but they will be willing to part with very little to get him.

Akermanis and Everitt are great examples from last year. Every club would would be better with them on their list, even though they only had two years left in the game. Brisbane got pick 34 for Aka, Hawthorn got pick 33 for Spida. I reckon we'd get something similar for Hase, a pick between 25 and 40. If we got a good young player with that pick it would be atleast 2 probably 4 years before he could have the impact of Hasleby.

 

[Belnakor]

Even the stats show Hase had way more than 5 bad games. And when he has a bad one he goes completely missing. And he doesn't require an elite level tag to knock him off his game. Bell can usually break even with the best.

Show me the "way more than 5 bad games" please. I can accept maybe 6 or 7, way more would imply more like 12. He had 14 games with 20+ possessions so i think you'll have to look pretty hard.

 

[summerthebat]

Show me the "way more than 5 bad games" please. I can accept maybe 6 or 7, way more would imply more like 12. He had 14 games with 20+ possessions so i think you'll have to look pretty hard.

Getting possessions does not equate to having a good game brah.

 

[wehavethepassion]

In relation to Haze I think the FFC are being cautious being bitten by the Longmuir deal. They know exactly his medical condition and as such have offered the appropriate money. Back injuries are very sus eg Vandenburgh retiring from a back injury he's been carrying for 3 yrs.

Question: how long has Haze been carrying his back injury?? Only he and the club realy know - hence the current pay offer.

If his manager can swing the extra dough at another club good luck to him.
He's one Ace salesman!

I think there is a spot with a "fit" Haze surrounded by the likes of Foster, byron, bomber, second chance,
Brock,+ ??,+??,
Haze has got the vision and the hands to get the quicksters going forward.

 

[Wizard]

In
I think there is a spot with a "fit" Haze surrounded by the likes of Foster, byron, bomber, second chance,
Brock,+ ??,+??,
Haze has got the vision and the hands to get the quicksters going forward.

Headland, dont leave him out he is our best outisde finisher.

 

[malpaso]

Even the stats show Hase had way more than 5 bad games. And when he has a bad one he goes completely missing. And he doesn't require an elite level tag to knock him off his game. Bell can usually break even with the best.

Bell's inside 50's are way more effective than Hasleby. Hase just bangs it on the boot and he does this 3 or 4 times a game.

Then you should look at goals kicked. Hase 8 goals. Bell 28. Last time I went to the footy, it was goals that won games, not statistics. 20+ goals year midfielders are elite. Hase has never kicked more than 16 in a year and that was four seasons ago.

I reckon the club's offer is on the money.

Good points Dagg, however I think that the club means for Haselby to play more like Mitchell of the Hawks, he doesnt kick alot of goals either just gets the ball and gives it off.

But the problem is the 'missing' games Mitchell doesnt go missing.

 

[Carl Hooper]

Hasleby, he is a fat over-paid, over rated, slow midfielder who is acted upon to lightly. He is too inconsistent and is costing our team. He is costing us money, match winning performances and youths coming through.

 

[Reveler]

Hasleby, he is a fat over-paid, over rated, slow midfielder who is acted upon to lightly. He is too inconsistent and is costing our team. He is costing us money, match winning performances and youths coming through.

Haselby is a champion footballer. He has had a bad run with injuries and will benefit from a whole preseason of football

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

when we were at our best at the end of 06 he was no where near the midfield


do we really need him?

 

[Bradesmaen]

He was near the midfield when he wasn't injured. But then we had Crowley fully fit, Matt Carr fully fit, Black fully fit and Schammer fully fit. Oh and Peake fit too.