PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[gaskin]

AMD cards have been announced.

 

[Cyber_punk]

AMD cards have been announced.

RIP Nvidia and 4090.

If I were upgrading to this gen the choice would be obvious with te price comparison.

 

[Cyber_punk]

My 3080 is running at 825-855mhz when Idle. This isn't normal, right? I have checked the nvidia panel and my power option is set to normal. Have tried "let the 3d app decide", nothing works. Using an CX as my only monitor. Temp 48c. Not a huge problem but any ideas?

 

[dwwaino]

My 3080 is running at 825-855mhz when Idle. This isn't normal, right? I have checked the nvidia panel and my power option is set to normal. Have tried "let the 3d app decide", nothing works. Using an CX as my only monitor. Temp 48c. Not a huge problem but any ideas?

Completely normal. My 3080 is identical, it's how NVIDIA GPUs work. Once they have a graphics load they'll increase their clock until they hit either a voltage or temp ceiling. It's why the "overclock" models are a bit misleading because even non-OC models will overclock themselves from factory well over the frequency that's printed on spec sheet.

Change the power option back to normal if you're fine with it. After launching every game for the first time I'll go into the control panel and change the power option to maximum performance as well as enable vertical sync there and disable any vsync and frame limiting options in the game. That's to ensure it's all handled by the GPU and that gsync is allowed to work properly.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Completely normal. My 3080 is identical, it's how NVIDIA GPUs work. Once they have a graphics load they'll increase their clock until they hit either a voltage or temp ceiling. It's why the "overclock" models are a bit misleading because even non-OC models will overclock themselves from factory well over the frequency that's printed on spec sheet.

Change the power option back to normal if you're fine with it. After launching every game for the first time I'll go into the control panel and change the power option to maximum performance as well as enable vertical sync there and disable any vsync and frame limiting options in the game. That's to ensure it's all handled by the GPU and that gsync is allowed to work properly.

I'm glad it's not an issue then. A lot of posts around seemed to make it out to be and that it was supposed to be around 300. I was mildly worried it might slightly shorten my GPU life or something.

 

[dwwaino]

I'm glad it's not an issue then. A lot of posts around seemed to make it out to be and that it was supposed to be around 300. I was mildly worried it might slightly shorten my GPU life or something.

I have the iGame Vulcan 3080 OC which has an LED screen on the side of the card and I have mine set to displaying clock speed and I reckon I only see 300-400mhz when booting. Once I'm in Windows and sitting on my desktop it might be between 500-800mhz and then starts jumping around once I'm in Chrome and browsing or opening Steam or another application etc.

I wouldn't worry about it, just let it do it's thing.

 

[hornetswce]

Is it worth the hassle of selling my old 1060?


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[dav3]

Is it worth the hassle of selling my old 1060?


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They're getting advertised on Gumtree for $150-$200, so it probably depends on your tolerance of dealing with humans

 

[dwwaino]

Lol 4080 prices look like they'll be 3000 series scalper prices. Surely AMD will force them down a couple hundred with the 7900xtx.

 

[Cooldude]

3080 prices are really nice nowadays, can probably get a really good deal for Black Friday coming up

 

[dwwaino]

4080 pricing rightly being questioned as it's clearly to upsell the 4090 but I think there is still a case for it. For someone that is less concerned with future proofing and generally upgrades every generation or two for no other reason than just because, the 4080 is more appealing. A 4090 will likely only have one immediate upgrade path and that's the xx90 successor (5090?). If you have no intention on the next series the 4090 will still leave you in the high end until the series after again. If you have some expendable income that you like to throw on expensive new toys every couple years 4080 leaves as few dollars in the pocket, still in the high end bracket and gives you a couple more options next time.

Still interesting to see how the 7900xtx compares next month and if it makes things interesting. With risk of sounding like I'm just being loyal to one brand, it will take more than price and performance for me to switch GPU teams though.

 

[blackshadow]

4080 pricing rightly being questioned as it's clearly to upsell the 4090 but I think there is still a case for it. For someone that is less concerned with future proofing and generally upgrades every generation or two for no other reason than just because, the 4080 is more appealing. A 4090 will likely only have one immediate upgrade path and that's the xx90 successor (5090?). If you have no intention on the next series the 4090 will still leave you in the high end until the series after again. If you have some expendable income that you like to throw on expensive new toys every couple years 4080 leaves as few dollars in the pocket, still in the high end bracket and gives you a couple more options next time.

Still interesting to see how the 7900xtx compares next month and if it makes things interesting. With risk of sounding like I'm just being loyal to one brand, it will take more than price and performance for me to switch GPU teams though.

Team red are much improved from the bad old days of crap drivers and software.

My 6900XT is a beautiful beast.

 

[gaskin]

At the launch of the AMD cards, apparently they said during the presentation that the 7900xtx out-performs the 4090. The problem is they didn't have any benchmarks or gameplay examples to back that statement up. We are going to have to wait for the reviews but if true, then on price and performance the red team may just well win this generation.

 

[dwwaino]

Even if it forces NVIDIA to reduce their prices by even a small margin it would be a win for everyone. It has happened in the mid range before but I don't think at the top since the 7970? Interesting coincidence in product names if this is when GPU are legitimately trading blows again.

 

[gaskin]

It is going to take a big swing towards AMD to force NVIDIA to drop the prices. If people are still willing to pay through the nose for NVIDIA cards then there is no way they will drop prices.

 

[dwwaino]

NVIDIA have reduced prices due to a direct product competitor before. They have typically played their hand first then adjusted once Radeon reply. Looking around different communities and lots of people are purchasing discounted 3000 series cards now too so it could also be by design to move on their 3000 stockpile. I also think it's fanciful to think if AMD have a competitive product that it will be significantly cheaper unless they're just trying to increase their market share.

 

[drd23]

At the launch of the AMD cards, apparently they said during the presentation that the 7900xtx out-performs the 4090. The problem is they didn't have any benchmarks or gameplay examples to back that statement up. We are going to have to wait for the reviews but if true, then on price and performance the red team may just well win this generation.

There's no way they are outperforming the 4090 for 33% less money. I won't be surprised if it beats out the 4080 though

 

[blackshadow]

Most 4080s seem to be between $2600 and $2800 a few into the 2400s and ROG STRIX tax pushing their OC to $2999.

 

[dav3]

Price drops are already coming

 

[dwwaino]

Some tidy price reductions by AMD on Zen4. Not as in black friday sales but an actual price slash. I wonder if it will stick around.

 

[dwwaino]

With all the talk of graphics card and CPU prices.... How about those motherboard prices

 

[dav3]

So a mate just got drunk and bought a 4090, and is wondering if his 650W PSU will run it

 

[blackshadow]

So a mate just got drunk and bought a 4090, and is wondering if his 650W PSU will run it

That’s an expensive night on the piss.

He may as well do a fully system upgrade.

 

[dav3]

That’s an expensive night on the piss.

He may as well do a fully system upgrade.

I think he was feeling a little cashed up, he got a payout from his previous workplace and recently started a new job.

Looks like he's just bought some random PSU too (after telling him to sober up and do some research). From memory the rest of his system is pretty decent, think he just drunkenly decided to replace his 1080ti.

 

[dwwaino]

Been doing some interesting reading on the ATX 3.0 standard. A fair bit of misunderstanding from most nerds on other communities but that's to be expected. On the previous standard sure 1000-1200w head room might be needed for a 4090, but with new standard 1000w is fine. It's just to take the surge to prevent either the PSU tripping or the PC resetting due to either built in surge safety or GPU not getting enough momentary juice.

Think of it like a circuit breaker. That's the best analogy I can think of. In your house your switch board will typically have type B breakers. They're designed to trip at around 3-5 times their full load current. You can run 11A through a 10A breaker and it might take days to trip. In my line of work however we typically use type D breakers for most commercial and DOL (direct online) starting equipment (bigger and industrial gear is typically on HRC fuses and some kind of electronic starter, but that's another subject) which are designed to trip at around 10 times full load current as a an electric motor can take up to 6 times it's full load current on a DOL start. Think of ATX 3.0 as a type D breaker that can better smooth and carry the spikes. A 4090 can apparently spike a system to around 1350w but with the new ATX standard that's why a 1000w with a typical CPU that isn't HEDT is fine while expecting a system load of around 850w.