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Nah, proven and guilty. This will show wether we really have become a nation or still being held to ransom from old country cults.

He said himself he knew it was going on, we discussed this before and I provided links which you were blinded by.

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********. You hate the church. Probably because you're one of those atheist commie types.

Knowing vaguely that priests were offending? We all knew. Specific knowledge is a different thing. I know people are offending right now. Problem is I can't say who nor who the victims are. I don't know. Does that mean I have knowledge?

And I know that you know the Pell didn't do the Cathedral thing because you're already preparing the narrative. "High Society" my arse.
 

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********. You hate the church. Probably because you're one of those atheist commie types.

Knowing vaguely that priests were offending? We all knew. Specific knowledge is a different thing. I know people are offending right now. Problem is I can't say who nor who the victims are. I don't know. Does that mean I have knowledge?

And I know that you know the Pell didn't do the Cathedral thing because you're already preparing the narrative. "High Society" my arse.
Nah. Just not a fan of cults and how they try to control the populous with their views while protecting those who abuse children..

Your 2nd paragraph is full of **** as always when discussing defenders of that prick.

Oh he did it. The right are up in arms defending the piece of filth.

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Nah. Just not a fan of cults and how they try to control the populous with their views while protecting those who abuse children..

Your 2nd paragraph is full of **** as always when discussing defenders of that prick.

Oh he did it. The right are up in arms defending the piece of filth.

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How do you know he did it?
 

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I believe the victims.

And with his history of turning a blind eye to pedo priests there's no "faith" in him or his character.

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There's no such history.

And "I believe the victims" is wilfully ignorant. That's how we get mob rule.

Maybe you should listen to the accusers, then listen to the accused and then you might come to some sort of grown up decision.

"I believe the victims" is kids' stuff. And leads to a disastrous outcome.

But hey.....it might get you laid. :thumbsu:
 

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George Pell is a repulsive pedophile and a pedophile enabler and protector.

Institutionalized religion is an abomination, used for control and power built on fairy tales and a lack of understanding of natural phenomena.
 

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There's no such history.

And "I believe the victims" is wilfully ignorant. That's how we get mob rule.

Maybe you should listen to the accusers, then listen to the accused and then you might come to some sort of grown up decision.

"I believe the victims" is kids' stuff. And leads to a disastrous outcome.

But hey.....it might get you laid. :thumbsu:
Plenty of history as shown previously.

Ignorant? No that's defending priests and high ranking officials who destroy people's lives.

I believe the victims is a new thing considering what they used to have to deal with because of the position of their attackers.

Your last line shows your character. Poor.

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[QUOTE="BruceFromBalnarring,
"I believe the victims" is kids' stuff. And leads to a disastrous outcome.

But hey.....it might get you laid. :thumbsu:[/QUOTE]

Poor, cheap, sleazy ...there it is, the underlying obsession with sex.
Who are you representative of again?
 

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In the news recently "Pope Francis has issued a landmark decree making bishops directly accountable for sexual abuse or covering it up, requiring clerics to report any cases to Catholic Church superiors"

So apparently the solution to systemic abuse of children and institutional cover up is to require reporting of child sexual abuse to the organisation that perpetrated it and has a history of covering it up. It is quite disgusting that an organisation can have a rule that if they come across sexual abuse they don't have to report it to law enforcement, how is this not criminal? Someone needs to dismantle this child raping criminal organisation.

I guess now that church superiors are aware of child abuse earlier, it will make it easier to cover up and move priests before too many witnesses are accumulated. Imagine being so disconnected with right and wrong that you think this decree is moral progress.
 

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There's no such history.

And "I believe the victims" is wilfully ignorant. That's how we get mob rule.

Maybe you should listen to the accusers, then listen to the accused and then you might come to some sort of grown up decision.

"I believe the victims" is kids' stuff. And leads to a disastrous outcome.

But hey.....it might get you laid. :thumbsu:
I think the reason why it is easy to see Pell has being guilty is due to his history of supporting other known pedophiles in court and for at times being less than eager to fully support the victims. People might say but he was worried about the church's reputation, yet he was happy to support Risson in court without a worry for the church's reputation.

The best thing the catholic church can do is to oust all its pedophile priests and to fully compensation its victims, not just financially but to openly welcome them into the fold while casting out the evil doers. Not doing so is morally weak.

As I've written before, I don't think Pell was necessarily a pedo in the Risson sense but he was active in the Ballarat area at a time when many of the worst known offending occurred and from Pell's attitudes over the years and the stories told about Pell show an immature male with poor social awareness and has at least turned a blind eye to what should never have been tolerated.

Pell has been found guilty of the crime and the judge's sentence was fair and as is Pell's right there is an appeals process, at this stage I think its 50:50 as to whether it will be overturned. What people keep overlooking is that this boy withstood lengthy cross examination from one of Melbourne's finest QC's.
 

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I think the reason why it is easy to see Pell has being guilty is due to his history of supporting other known pedophiles in court and for at times being less than eager to fully support the victims. People might say but he was worried about the church's reputation, yet he was happy to support Risson in court without a worry for the church's reputation.

The best thing the catholic church can do is to oust all its pedophile priests and to fully compensation its victims, not just financially but to openly welcome them into the fold while casting out the evil doers. Not doing so is morally weak.

As I've written before, I don't think Pell was necessarily a pedo in the Risson sense but he was active in the Ballarat area at a time when many of the worst known offending occurred and from Pell's attitudes over the years and the stories told about Pell show an immature male with poor social awareness and has at least turned a blind eye to what should never have been tolerated.

Pell has been found guilty of the crime and the judge's sentence was fair and as is Pell's right there is an appeals process, at this stage I think its 50:50 as to whether it will be overturned. What people keep overlooking is that this boy withstood lengthy cross examination from one of Melbourne's finest QC's.
I was told by the barrister representing one of the worst Ballarat offenders that he didn't even know about the other equally bad offender in the classroom next door at the same time. This idea that everyone must have known is simply a false one. And I've done a bit of work on this and it applies across the board. What was known collectively by the boys is not necessarily the same as what is known by the adults. And to the extent that adults knew, across the board, not just in the Church but everywhere, they failed to act.

What Pell did in terms of confronting the issue fell well short of what was needed. Even Pell says that. What people refuse to acknowledge though is that it was streets ahead of what had been done previously.

What Pell knew about other offenders will never be known. What the RC established is that he was in a room once where it may have been mentioned that Ridsdale was an offender. They established that he didn't know about Searson.

The walking to Court thing.....I get the optics. But I found the drama of lawyers (and media) judging Pell for that act at the RC sickening. Firstly he did it because he was asked to. Secondly, lawyers argue in court every single day in support of various bad people. And get paid handsomely for it. Offenders get supported in various ways all the time. It's called humanity. Maybe they don't deserve to be, but our collective humanity dictates that. In another time they'd be stoned by the mob.

I don't know whether Pell exposed himself in change rooms or whether he touched up kids in a pool. I do know, though, that he didn't do the Cathedral act because he couldn't have. And anyone can see that for themselves by standing outside the Cathedral after Mass on a Sunday morning.

Oh, and my information is that the accuser actually wasn't particularly compelling as a witness, and was caught out a number of times. This was partly why Pell wasn't called to give evidence himself.

PS: I appreciate the civility of your post. It seems to be getting more rare sadly.
 

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Oh, and my information is that the accuser actually wasn't particularly compelling as a witness, and was caught out a number of times. This was partly why Pell wasn't called to give evidence himself.
The key witness in the highest profile case this nation has seen in quite some time was 'caught out a number of times' and wasn't particularly compelling, yet the best defence lawyer in the land didn't convince the jury of this and Pell was still found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Yeah, I'm calling bullsh!t on this 'information' of yours.

Did you hear it in a lift from a Channel 7 reporter?
 

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The key witness in the highest profile case this nation has seen in quite some time was 'caught out a number of times' and wasn't particularly compelling, yet the best defence lawyer in the land didn't convince the jury of this and Pell was still found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Yeah, I'm calling bullsh!t on this 'information' of yours.

Did you hear it in a lift from a Channel 7 reporter?
See what it says under your pseudonym?
 

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I was told by the barrister representing one of the worst Ballarat offenders that he didn't even know about the other equally bad offender in the classroom next door at the same time. This idea that everyone must have known is simply a false one. And I've done a bit of work on this and it applies across the board. What was known collectively by the boys is not necessarily the same as what is known by the adults. And to the extent that adults knew, across the board, not just in the Church but everywhere, they failed to act.

What Pell did in terms of confronting the issue fell well short of what was needed. Even Pell says that. What people refuse to acknowledge though is that it was streets ahead of what had been done previously.

What Pell knew about other offenders will never be known. What the RC established is that he was in a room once where it may have been mentioned that Ridsdale was an offender. They established that he didn't know about Searson.

The walking to Court thing.....I get the optics. But I found the drama of lawyers (and media) judging Pell for that act at the RC sickening. Firstly he did it because he was asked to. Secondly, lawyers argue in court every single day in support of various bad people. And get paid handsomely for it. Offenders get supported in various ways all the time. It's called humanity. Maybe they don't deserve to be, but our collective humanity dictates that. In another time they'd be stoned by the mob.

I don't know whether Pell exposed himself in change rooms or whether he touched up kids in a pool. I do know, though, that he didn't do the Cathedral act because he couldn't have. And anyone can see that for themselves by standing outside the Cathedral after Mass on a Sunday morning.

Oh, and my information is that the accuser actually wasn't particularly compelling as a witness, and was caught out a number of times. This was partly why Pell wasn't called to give evidence himself.

PS: I appreciate the civility of your post. It seems to be getting more rare sadly.
In time your view that “they didn’t know” will be proven to be just as big a crock of **** as many of the beliefs of the Church”. The hammer is just about to be dropped, sentencing for Paul David Ryan commences next Monday, civil cases are ramping up and in the background is a 3 part special being prepared by 4 Corners that will torch a large number of your claims. Judgement Day for the Church is near. Oh by the way would you believe that the Ballarat Diocese is following NONE of the Truth Justice & Healing Commission guidelines? It’s no surprise to me, these campaigners are going to get down.

PS. Wait for the revelations at the end of the PDR case in terms of what the Church enabled him to do once sacked as a Priest.
 

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In time your view that “they didn’t know” will be proven to be just as big a crock of **** as many of the beliefs of the Church”. The hammer is just about to be dropped, sentencing for Paul David Ryan commences next Monday, civil cases are ramping up and in the background is a 3 part special being prepared by 4 Corners that will torch a large number of your claims. Judgement Day for the Church is near. Oh by the way would you believe that the Ballarat Diocese is following NONE of the Truth Justice & Healing Commission guidelines? It’s no surprise to me, these campaigners are going to get down.

PS. Wait for the revelations at the end of the PDR case in terms of what the Church enabled him to do once sacked as a Priest.
That's not my view.
 

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I was told by the barrister representing one of the worst Ballarat offenders that he didn't even know about the other equally bad offender in the classroom next door at the same time. This idea that everyone must have known is simply a false one. And I've done a bit of work on this and it applies across the board. What was known collectively by the boys is not necessarily the same as what is known by the adults. And to the extent that adults knew, across the board, not just in the Church but everywhere, they failed to act.

What Pell did in terms of confronting the issue fell well short of what was needed. Even Pell says that. What people refuse to acknowledge though is that it was streets ahead of what had been done previously.

What Pell knew about other offenders will never be known. What the RC established is that he was in a room once where it may have been mentioned that Ridsdale was an offender. They established that he didn't know about Searson.

The walking to Court thing.....I get the optics. But I found the drama of lawyers (and media) judging Pell for that act at the RC sickening. Firstly he did it because he was asked to. Secondly, lawyers argue in court every single day in support of various bad people. And get paid handsomely for it. Offenders get supported in various ways all the time. It's called humanity. Maybe they don't deserve to be, but our collective humanity dictates that. In another time they'd be stoned by the mob.

I don't know whether Pell exposed himself in change rooms or whether he touched up kids in a pool. I do know, though, that he didn't do the Cathedral act because he couldn't have. And anyone can see that for themselves by standing outside the Cathedral after Mass on a Sunday morning.

Oh, and my information is that the accuser actually wasn't particularly compelling as a witness, and was caught out a number of times. This was partly why Pell wasn't called to give evidence himself.

PS: I appreciate the civility of your post. It seems to be getting more rare sadly.
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