Religion Pell Guilty!

[Jibroni]

But Pell has compared his "suffering" to Jesus and he is going through what Jesus went through

That's kinda insulting to his own god by saying god is a pedo just like him

True, which is why Pell makes Judas Iscariot look like a patron saint.

Any dignity the man had is officially dead.

 

[Pessimistic]

Wasting tax payers money putting this campaigner in jail I don't condone the things he supposedly did but what a waste. The bloke is 78 years old just lock him up him in a nursing home

Jimmy savile likes this

 

[Underarm]

Why? Because I don’t believe a bloke committed a crime?

What message does it send to the thousands of sexual abuse victims out there who are too afraid to come forward and face their abuser if they still won't be believed by some after a jury and 3 highly credentialed judges have agreed that the abuse occurred?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I doubt his faith or lying under oath would deter this monster

He was probably most afraid of unraveling when put under cross examination, and his bluster and lies can no longer save him

Pell didn't even give evidence... because he didn't want to lie under oath or incriminate himself.

If you were innocent, you would demand to be a witness to give evidence.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Start with the premise that 2 choirboys, still in their gear, are going to decide to get into the altar wine straight after Mass at the Cathedral when everyone is going in and out of the sacristy. I mean that's 2 pretty ******* dumb choirboys. It's not "high jinx". You're definitely 100% going to get caught. I mean to not even have one of them looking out?

But I'm the delusional one.

Your last sentence I'm 100% in agreement with!

 

[Pessimistic]

Start with the premise that 2 choirboys, still in their gear, are going to decide to get into the altar wine straight after Mass at the Cathedral when everyone is going in and out of the sacristy. I mean that's 2 pretty ******* dumb choirboys. It's not "high jinx". You're definitely 100% going to get caught. I mean to not even have one of them looking out?

But I'm the delusional one.

They were guilty of a minor crime but the de fact punishment given to them was a far bigger crime.

But consider that not every victim behaves logically or predictably during a crime. It doesnt make it any less a crime

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Um! More because having not been present during the events in question ; not having been at any of the trial; not accepting the verdict of 12 of his peers; and not accepting the majority judgement of the Court of Appeal judges - the two most senior and experienced btw.

You have blind faith, nothing more.

Actually Weinberg leaves the other 2 for dead in terms of experience.

 

[Del191229]

I doubt his faith or lying under oath would deter this monster

He was probably most afraid of unraveling when put under cross examination, and his bluster and lies can no longer save him

Recall when he gave evidence on videolink to the Royal Commission even BOLT was like my god the man in is a sociopathic monster!

For a day before the Papal Knight reminded him of his obligations.

Pell on the stand would have been suicidal for them - he looks, sounds and acts exactly like a stereotypical Catholic kiddy fiddler.

Because he is one.

 

[stax on the mull]

Seemingly because either;

1/ he had to lie under oath after swearing on a bible which was not compatible with his faith, or;

2/ he had to tell the truth

That's become my assessment. If he was free of guilt, it would do his cause good to give his truth with his own words under cross examination in a court.

 

[Shane Heard]

I think it's plausible that the offence occurred much later in the day. Unlikely still, but plausible. But Pell would have been elsewhere.

The initial story that was leaked had it occurring at 3 in the afternoon. But of course Pell would have had diaries as to his whereabouts.

It's telling that the actual date on which it was alleged to have occurred was allowed to be changed 3 times.

It really doesn’t matter if Pell actually committed this act or not. The witness testimony is evidence enough to suggest something happened somewhere along the line.


In my mind, this conviction and jail time is for the decades of systematic coverups of the Catholic Church Pell has been in charge of organising.

#### him. May he wither away in his jail cell and hopefully die there before he’s term is served.

 

[Badesumofu]

Wasting tax payers money putting this campaigner in jail I don't condone the things he supposedly did but what a waste. The bloke is 78 years old just lock him up him in a nursing home

Good thing no one cares what you think about it, then. Jesus.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Pell didn't even give evidence... because he didn't want to lie under oath or incriminate himself.

If you were innocent, you would demand to be a witness to give evidence.

I've sat in court cases where the accused took to the stand and was quickly convicted. I take it the defence calculated that having him silently sit with a glum look on his face to appear more human would do him better than opening his mouth and reminding the jury that this is the face of the church. He is a very articulate man don't get me wrong, but he has always spoken with a tone of superiority that would never go over well in court.

His decision not to stand for questioning should have no bearing on his guilt.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You would be protected by the First Amendment.

Doesn’t it only protect US citizens?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

It really doesn’t matter if Pell actually committed this act or not. The witness testimony is evidence enough to suggest something happened somewhere along the line.


In my mind, this conviction and jail time is for the decades of systematic coverups of the Catholic Church Pell has been in charge of organising.

#### him. May he wither away in his jail cell and hopefully die there before he’s term is served.

Your first and third paragraphs say plenty. Your second is plainly false.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Sorry? What have I said about victims?

I do recall some things you wrote about another poster who disclosed his (presumably) story which seemed not to take his account at face value.

 

[QuietB]

That's become my assessment. If he was free of guilt, it would do his cause good to give his truth with his own words under cross examination in a court.

It makes zero sense he didn’t appear. All he had to do was create some reasonable doubt.

This is a persuasive man with a huge ego. He is basically a professional story teller.

There is no explanation for not appearing if he was innocent.

 

[Crankyhawk]

And did I read one of Bolt’s arguments was that the kids didn’t come forward at the time?

ABC article I read says about 60% of victims take an average of 30 years to speak up.

Bolt is either ignorant or dishonest in this instance.

Ignorant I’d say.

 

[Crankyhawk]

No, it does not

Claiming you have knowledge of something that you have no way of knowing is the epitomy of unreasonable, which is what you have been doing for this entire thread

Only a madman or a villain continually claims untruths as truth with a straight face. Which one are you, or possibly both?

He’s Donald trump

 

[AM]

Actually Weinberg leaves the other 2 for dead in terms of experience.

Arrant nonsense.He's by far the most junior in terms of his time on the bench and experience.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

It makes zero sense he didn’t appear. All he had to do was create some reasonable doubt.

This is a persuasive man with a huge ego. He is basically a professional story teller.

There is no explanation for not appearing if he was innocent.

It’s not a tactic I fully understand but the vast majority of advice is not to take the stand.

 

[Del191229]

Operation Tethering commenced without a complainant 3 months after Graeme Ashton was exposed for lying by the Church at the Vic Parliamentary Inquiry.

Sure, I'll stay at the tramstop with you.

VicPol are nasty vengeful pricks indeed, and they are certainly capable, and have a history, of fitting people up.

But just WANTING revenge is very different to being able to deliver it. Normally they turn someone's lawyer dog, or get their friends to roll over on them.

Your theory is still that VicPol coached this victim to lie in order to fit Pell up though?

And Robert Richter couldn't expose these lies in a full day of cross? And Bret Walker couldn't pick it apart?

And the Chief Justice and President of the Court of Appeal were presumably in on this, because as you said earlier, they KNEW it was a stitch-up but went along with it anyway.

That's your position?

 

[Shane Heard]

Your first and third paragraphs say plenty. Your second is plainly false.

Yeah well...call it “the vibe” of the case.

Pell is just lucky public stoning has gone out of fashion.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Arrant nonsense.He's by far the most junior in terms of his time on the bench and experience.

You made that up. Ferguson appointed to Court of Appeal in 2014. Weinberg 2008.

Weinberg the only one of the 3 with a criminal law background.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Pell didn't even give evidence... because he didn't want to lie under oath or incriminate himself.

If you were innocent, you would demand to be a witness to give evidence.

Think it was more Richter thinking that his demeanour would come across as aloof arrogance that would do more harm than good for his client

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Sure, I'll stay at the tramstop with you.

VicPol are nasty vengeful pricks indeed, and they are certainly capable, and have a history, of fitting people up.

But just WANTING revenge is very different to being able to deliver it. Normally they turn someone's lawyer dog, or get their friends to roll over on them.

Your theory is still that VicPol coached this victim to lie in order to fit Pell up though?

And Robert Richter couldn't expose these lies in a full day of cross? And Bret Walker couldn't pick it apart?

And the Chief Justice and President of the Court of Appeal were presumably in on this, because as you said earlier, they KNEW it was a stitch-up but went along with it anyway.

That's your position?

I take issue with your paragraph about the QC’s failing to pick it apart.