Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[BartBart]

Only 36k turned up today for a game they had a good chance of winning when based on Geelong’s shocking form slump. If that is all they can muster up for a clash with the league’s #1 team in a perfect time slot then I would expect WAFL games to outdraw them more often than not pretty soon.

33,594 the previous home game

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

33,594 the previous home game

It would actually be a kinda novelty for them to have a stadium in Fremantle.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Only 36k turned up today for a game they had a good chance of winning when based on Geelong’s shocking form slump. If that is all they can muster up for a clash with the league’s #1 team in a perfect time slot then I would expect WAFL games to outdraw them more often than not pretty soon.

it was not viewed at all that Freo were a good chance at winning this week. a crowd of 36,000 also happens to higher then about 10 other clubs average crowd. Not to mention, the club has said fairly often before that the preferred time slot is apparently night games. And naturally, a side getting 36,000 to a game is a sign that they will be overtaken by the 1000 or so people that go to WAFL games

 

[Rob]

Did I stumble on the Bay?

 

[Righteo]

it was not viewed at all that Freo were a good chance at winning this week. a crowd of 36,000 also happens to higher then about 10 other clubs average crowd. Not to mention, the club has said fairly often before that the preferred time slot is apparently night games. And naturally, a side getting 36,000 to a game is a sign that they will be overtaken by the 1000 or so people that go to WAFL games

It was a very good crowd in the circumstances, as was the Sydney one a few weeks back. If early to mid 30's is our floor then we're in fantastic shape, you'd have to be a bit slow in the head to suggest otherwise. Best just ignore the sad Eagles trolls who have nothing better to do than post about Freo on a Saturday night. I did lol at "good chance of winning" though

 

[Crankitup]

Optus has been like an ice rink this season - to the point where the turf was sprayed with something prior to the WCE v COL game a few weeks ago. It’s a mystery as to why it’s so slippery.

I think it's the artificial turf component.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

I think it's the artificial turf component.

Like how they opened the sprinklers all night at I think at Moorabin 30 years ago thinking we couldn’t play in the wet.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

The Vic’s would also tie the wind socks down whenever we were playing at their shitholes just to fcuk with us back then.

 

[Crankitup]

Like how they opened the sprinklers all night at I think at Moorabin 30 years ago thinking we couldn’t play in the wet.

Wouldn't surprise me. The problem here was they knew the surface was slippery so tried to spray some compound that would counter it but I think it made it worse because it made the artificial turf component of the grass surface even more slippery.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

Wouldn't surprise me. The problem here was they knew the surface was slippery so tried to spray some compound that would counter it but I think it made it worse because it made the artificial turf component of the grass surface even more slippery.

Nah it’s a true story boss. They had the sprinklers on aaaalll night back in the day before we got there thinking we couldn’t play in the wet.

Go and look at the AFL - that was the year that was - old school tapes. They HATED US!!!!

 

[Kwality]

Only 36k turned up today for a game they had a good chance of winning when based on Geelong’s shocking form slump. If that is all they can muster up for a clash with the league’s #1 team in a perfect time slot then I would expect WAFL games to outdraw them more often than not pretty soon.

This thread is about the Stadium, try Bay 13.

 

[Kwality]

Seems the Bledisloe is a sell out, keep WA Tourism very happy.

The first Bledisloe Cup match to be played in the west sold out shortly after going on sale, showing there remains strong support for the code in WA.

It will be a spectacular event showcasing one of the great rivalries in sport and it will be the only time the All Blacks and the Wallabies play on Australian soil in 2019, in the lead-up to the World Cup in Japan later this year.

One of the greatest rivalries in sport is in new territory, but it's unlikely to fix rugby in the west

The Wallabies and All Blacks will clash on Saturday night in Perth's first Bledisloe Cup match, two years after the demise of the Western Force. But rugby in WA needs much more to emerge from the wilderness, writes Clint Thomas.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Billy ray]

How many interstate and international visitors are they saying this time?
How many extra flights are coming into perth airport to bring these visitors?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

When Stadium Australia still had 110,000 capacity (1999-2001) it was reported over 20,000 kiwis regularly flew in from NZ to watch the Bledisloe Cup games, by many fans who couldn't get tickets, or rarely would be able to get tickets to watch the All Blacks in NZ, as that's how many tickets were purchased by NZ based residents according to Ticketek. Obviously plenty of 20,000 was by hardcore fans who follow them all over the planet.

Now some tickets would have been bought in NZ for mates living in Oz so they could sit together, but a mate went to watch the game the Wallabies were down 0-24 down after 8 minutes, (think 1999). He said that the big south end temporary stand that was pulled down after the Olympics and sat 15,000, was over 90% kiwi fans.

He made himself really popular when he stood up and shouted out, come on Wallabies, the French would win it from here, after the French came back from a similar margin in the 2nd half a few weeks earlier to beat the All Blacks.

 

[Billy ray]

That’s a hell of a lot of flights

 

[Crankitup]

That’s a hell of a lot of flights

About 60 based on average capacity of 335 passengers per plane. So about 6 or 7 extra per carrier (apparently 9 operate between NZ & Aus). Spread over a week that's 1 extra flight per day per carrier.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

That’s a hell of a lot of flights

Spread out over a week or two its not. The tickets went on sale months before the games, so it just means the week leading up to the Bledisloe Cup game in Sydney the flights would be full, rather than 60%+ as people planned for a week or two's holidays. Some would have come via Brisbane and Melbourne. A lot of flights, jumbos in particular, come/came from North and South America to Sydney and Melbourne via Auckland when people get off at Auckland, but not always 100% replaced by kiwis travelling to oz. But would have filled quickly for those game.

 

[Billy ray]

Spread out over a week or two its not. The tickets went on sale months before the games, so it just means the week leading up to the Bledisloe Cup game in Sydney the flights would be full, rather than 60%+ as people planned for a week or two's holidays. Some would have come via Brisbane and Melbourne. A lot of flights, jumbos in particular, come/came from North and South America to Sydney and Melbourne via Auckland when people get off at Auckland, but not always 100% replaced by kiwis travelling to oz. But would have filled quickly for those game.

Yeh more believable when its on east coast as less distances plus more ports. Im not buying it for perth.

 

[Crankitup]

How many interstate and international visitors are they saying this time?
How many extra flights are coming into perth airport to bring these visitors?

Figure below from this site https://www.miragenews.com/bledisloe-cup-fan-frenzy-attracts-record-breaking-crowd/

Around 10,000 interstate and overseas rugby fans are expected to travel to WA for the landmark event.

Corroborated here https://www.communitynews.com.au/so...ew-attendance-record-tipped-for-optus-stadium

 

[Crankitup]

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...-unite-perth-sports-fans-20190807-p52esh.html

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Figure below from this site https://www.miragenews.com/bledisloe-cup-fan-frenzy-attracts-record-breaking-crowd/



Corroborated here https://www.communitynews.com.au/so...ew-attendance-record-tipped-for-optus-stadium

10,000 interstate and overseas fans is more believable than 20,000. Might only mean 15-20 extra flights this week and most of existing flights are at 100% capacity rather than say 80% average capacity.

Edit I get the 80% average domestic capacity utilized from this site.

Domestic aviation activity

Summary Time series

www.bitre.gov.au

So if the 9.5m domestic passengers using Perth airport last year are reflective of that 80% capacity, then weekly passenger movements are 180k in and out, so if 90k fly in during any week and that represents 80% capacity then there are potentially 22k free seats that could be used to fly people in during any week, and therefore the week of the game, so maybe no extra flights have to be put on for only 10,000 travelling fans.

This site has all of Tourism Australia's data to March 2019 that shows 1,929 International flights with annual seat capacity of 26.995 million. Most popular route Singapore Airlines Singapore-Sydney 29 flights a week, annual capacity 523,112. 3rd most popular Air NZ Auckland-Sydney 32 flights capacity 434,718 seats.

Tourism infrastructure - Foreign investment opportunities in Australia by sector

As the world’s eighth largest national tourism market Australia offers significant opportunities for investment in tourism infrastructure.

www.tourisminvestment.com.au

 

[Rob]

Well I can confirm there are no extra flights between Perth and NZ today or tomorrow, just the usual daily Auckland to Perth Air NZ flight landing in the early afternoon. It is possible all these extra thousands of tourists are coming via the East Coast, but it doesn't appear any additional flights have been put on from there either.

Although in all fairness, hotels this weekend are pretty pricey, you're struggling to get much for under $300 a night. So there is clearly some additional demand there. 20k? Nah.

RussellEbertHandball you'll find a lot of that capacity domestically is FIFO flights to and from mining centres. Have a look at the domestic arrivals and departures on Perth airport's website and there's going to be a heap of places you've never heard of.

 

[Crankitup]

20k? Nah.

Who said Perth was expecting 20,000?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball you'll find a lot of that capacity domestically is FIFO flights to and from mining centres. Have a look at the domestic arrivals and departures on Perth airport's website and there's going to be a heap of places you've never heard of.

I decided to take a look. I looked at departures for 9/8/19. I copied all flights into a spreadsheet and allocated numbers to each flight as per below and sorted the data. 147 departures tomorrow out of Perth.

1. 49 fights to Oz capital cities + 1 to Cairns = 50 x 150 seats per flight =7,500 seats
2. 22 international flights x 300 seats per flight = 6,600 seats
3. 75 regional flights inc Christmas Island and Cocos Island x average of 50 per flight allowing for bigger jets to Broome, Port Headland and Karratha and smaller ones to Albany, Esperance, The Granites, Exmouth etc,
= 75 x 50 = 3,750 seats
Total = 18,150.
Double it for arrivals = 36,300 and then x 7 for the week = 254,100. Above I said the stats showed the average passengers arriving and departing Perth each week in 2018-19 was 180,000. So either I have been overly generous with my seats per flight average or utilization rates out of Perth are less than national average 80%, or maybe tomorrow is a busier day than usual.

Either way, its a good little exercise to help keep the bullshit detector up for when government spruik how many interstate and international visits might attend an event, especially when most fly in for that event.

Rob, there were 29 regional towns/cities that had flights from Perth, and I didn't know 10 of them -
WOODIE WOODIE, SOLOMON, COONDEWANNA, PARABURDOO, DEGRUSSA, GINBATA, BARIMUNYA, MT KEITH, LEINSTER, BOOLGEEDA

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Who said Perth was expecting 20,000?

I inadvertently implied that, because I used the 20k figure that used to fly in from NZ for Bledisloe games at ANZ when its capacity was 110k and when I did that original post, I was thinking about the reports that 15k-20k was the pre game estimate of interstate fans who flew in for the State of Origin.

You then posted the article about 10k and I then said 10k is more believable than 20k, which may have given the impression that 20k was the original estimate, which it wasn't.