Peter Nevill

[Bucking Beads]

Is Nevill a better keeper than Wade??

 

[The_Reaper]

Nevill is also an actual Victorian

 

[aussierulesrules]

Is Nevill a better keeper than Wade??

This is a good question. Is there anyone out there who has seen a lot of Nevill, or heard from really good sources how good he is behind the stumps?
We're now starting to hear that those selecting the test team may not have the confidence to pick Wade and Paine may not get his finger right in time, so how about Nevill, if they get sick of Haddin?

 

[CAS79]

This is a good question. Is there anyone out there who has seen a lot of Nevill, or heard from really good sources how good he is behind the stumps?
We're now starting to hear that those selecting the test team may not have the confidence to pick Wade and Paine may not get his finger right in time, so how about Nevill, if they get sick of Haddin?

I haven't seen a lot but have watched the odd game. He's very clean and consistent with the gloves, perhaps missing the spectacular like the great leg side catches or low in front of him in front of first. The ability of Wade to do that trumps Nevill on that score but Nevill has consistency over him and I cant recall seeing him having made an error.

That's based on what I have seen of him off streams and it's not as much as Wade at all.

Kerry O'Keefe is pushing his cause.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Thanks for that. You've got to wonder, though, does not dropping any that come to you reasonably easily trump someone who may drop the odd one they "should" catch, but who manages to pull off some rippers, that someone like Neville might not get to?
You'd have to think they would cancel each other out, unless the drops are happening regularly, or the "screamers" are happening regularly, to tip the scales one way or the other.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

The problem for Nevill is that if Haddin does get dropped (and assuming he doesn't get the gig himself), he'll be relegated back to being NSW's second choice keeper. At the moment, he really needs to get plenty of cricket under his belt to prove himself. He's 26, which is still plenty young enough. But only has 18 FC games to his name. He really can't afford to have another season or two on the sidelines fighting for a spot.

 

[aussierulesrules]

If that happened he might have to move states again.

 

[Bomber Bears]

The problem for Nevill is that if Haddin does get dropped (and assuming he doesn't get the gig himself), he'll be relegated back to being NSW's second choice keeper. At the moment, he really needs to get plenty of cricket under his belt to prove himself. He's 26, which is still plenty young enough. But only has 18 FC games to his name. He really can't afford to have another season or two on the sidelines fighting for a spot.

Haddin probably wont play for NSW again. He'll play out the test series and retire or play out the summer in the One Day side and retire, if he get's dropped/pushed at this point he'll know there is no going back and call it a day I think.

 

[matty p]

Wade's younger, has more experience, more potential, and more runs on the board than Nevill. It's a no brainer.

 

[danielnajdek]

Yeah Wade should be in front of Nevill but who really knows what the hell the selectors are thinking at the moment.

One thing I'll be annoyed at is if Haddin gets selected to play in the one day team ahead of any other keeper in Australia.

 

[Arbuckle]

Paine is the definite next-in-line, once he gets over his injury.

But Nevill would have to be close to being head of the queue after that.

Wade is touted a lot, but is nowhere near a good enough keeper. In fact, he would be arguably the worst of all the regular state keepers in that facet of the game. I think his batting tends to be overhyped a fair bit as well TBH.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Haddin probably wont play for NSW again. He'll play out the test series and retire or play out the summer in the One Day side and retire, if he get's dropped/pushed at this point he'll know there is no going back and call it a day I think.

Someone pointed out in the Haddin thread that the guy is on $1m+ per year. I just can't see him retiring... not for a while yet. And if he got sacked, I can easily imagine him going back to NSW and playing for several seasons more. He's only 34 and I bet he'd want to "be available" in case his replacement fails. Plus, playing domestic cricket is a good platform for picking up an IPL contract.

With the amount of money floating around these days, not many players really "call it a day".

 

[dan warna]

As mentioned before, NSW would be hoping that Haddin is continually selected as they won't have to deal with the issue of dropping him or nevill.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

Paine is the definite next-in-line, once he gets over his injury.

But Nevill would have to be close to being head of the queue after that.

Wade is touted a lot, but is nowhere near a good enough keeper.

bullshit. wade is a fine keeper. let me guess, you watched that state final, formed an opinion based on that one game and have refused to reconsider? wade is the best keeper/batsman in australia.

 

[Arbuckle]

bullshit. wade is a fine keeper. let me guess, you watched that state final, formed an opinion based on that one game and have refused to reconsider? wade is the best keeper/batsman in australia.

Umm, sorry? Did you have some sort of burning desire to try to make yourself look like a moron - or was it purely accidental that your post comes across that way?

Having grown up and played at junior and club level in Tasmania and been a keen observer of the game there for years, I've known of Matty Wade for longer than you have probably even been alive. I have therefore formed my opinions about him over many matches and many years. It's no accident that Clingeleffer and Paine were both preferred to Wade by the state selectors - or, sorry, is it that are you accusing them of having absolutely no judgement or understanding of the sport as well?

If you had bothered to actually think for a second before swearing at me completely unnecessarily and then typing out the rest of the patronising garbage you posted, you would also have noticed my points about him were relative to the other state keepers. Most of whom are excellent glovemen. But, plainly, that sailed miles over your head.

 

[dan warna]

When heals was pushed there was a massive outpouring of love at the loss of a great. When Gilchrist retired there was a massive outpouring of love at the loss of a great, when Haddin retires there will be a massive outpouring of relief...no matter who replaces him.

Clearly I would prefer Wade, if not wade, then paine or hartley, but frankly I'd take Nevill.

 

[The Speaker]

Umm, sorry? Did you have some sort of burning desire to try to make yourself look like a moron - or was it purely accidental that your post comes across that way?

Having grown up and played at junior and club level in Tasmania and been a keen observer of the game there for years, I've known of Matty Wade for longer than you have probably even been alive. I have therefore formed my opinions about him over many matches and many years. It's no accident that Clingeleffer and Paine were both preferred to Wade by the state selectors - or, sorry, is it that are you accusing them of having absolutely no judgement or understanding of the sport as well?

If you had bothered to actually think for a second before swearing at me completely unnecessarily and then typing out the rest of the patronising garbage you posted, you would also have noticed my points about him were relative to the other state keepers. Most of whom are excellent glovemen. But, plainly, that sailed miles over your head.

 

[Japes]

When heals was pushed there was a massive outpouring of love at the loss of a great.

I disagree.

Most of the discerning fans out there were incensed that he was allowed to keep Gilchrist out of the team for so long.

Mind you, in hindsight, it at least kept him out of the commentary box for a few extra years ... .

 

[dan warna]

Produce better cricketers and stop bitching

Anyway, suggesting a keeper averaging near 50 with the bat and with the highest dismissals/game ratio (in a side that hasnt been taking wickets) is hardly an outlandish suggestion showing extreme NSW bias. He's alsoa Victorian if that helps

wait wait, are you suggesting that dismissals per game ratio is a measure of good keeping?

Nevill (age 26) 70 dismissals in 18 games = 3.9
Wade (age 24) 188 dismissals in 50 games = 3.8
haddin (age 34) 477 dismissals in 140 games =3.4

and wade is a rubbish wicketkeeper with no hope of improvement despite having 10 years on haddin and 2 years younger than Nevill?

2 years ago he made the record for most dismissals for a keeper, jointly held with hartley I think in 2008/9

In fact I would argue that Wade has a tonne more experience, had an ordinary start to his career given his debut was in 2006/07 and has gradually improved.

throw in the fact his 50 over form is considerably better than nevills as well.

Despite subjective commentary that 'wade is shit' his numbers across the board are comparable if not marginally better than Haddin's and current form is comparable with anyone else in the competition.

If there was a stat for dropped catches, would think Haddin is far and away ahead of everyone else.

 

[eddiesmith]

The one disadvantage that Nevill has is he will never make it into any of Australias limited overs sides, I cant see Australia playing 2 different keepers both of similar age in different forms of the game

 

[Bomber Bears]

wait wait, are you suggesting that dismissals per game ratio is a measure of good keeping?

Nevill (age 26) 70 dismissals in 18 games = 3.9
Wade (age 24) 188 dismissals in 50 games = 3.8
haddin (age 34) 477 dismissals in 140 games =3.4

and wade is a rubbish wicketkeeper with no hope of improvement despite having 10 years on haddin and 2 years younger than Nevill?

2 years ago he made the record for most dismissals for a keeper, jointly held with hartley I think in 2008/9

In fact I would argue that Wade has a tonne more experience, had an ordinary start to his career given his debut was in 2006/07 and has gradually improved.

throw in the fact his 50 over form is considerably better than nevills as well.

Despite subjective commentary that 'wade is shit' his numbers across the board are comparable if not marginally better than Haddin's and current form is comparable with anyone else in the competition.

If there was a stat for dropped catches, would think Haddin is far and away ahead of everyone else.

Not particularly, but it's the only stat you have.

And i've long preferred Wade to Paine and think he should've been in the side for the first test against NZ. Haddin's been saved by Watsons injury, really. Havent seen enough of his keeping to fully judge but he's a quality bat.

Im just saying that suggesting a player such as Nev, averaging 50 with the bat and keeping very well, is hardly one showing extreme bias. Although I do agree Nev being rubbish at short form cricket doesnt help his cause at all

 

[Ricketts]

The one disadvantage that Nevill has is he will never make it into any of Australias limited overs sides, I cant see Australia playing 2 different keepers both of similar age in different forms of the game

Very good point and i agree.

 

[Bomber Bears]

Most teams actually do have different keepers in dif formats. Sri lanka has Sangakarra for short form not test, Saffa's Boucher in tests and AB in ODI's, Kiwi's McCullem doesnt keep in tests, Poms have gone through any number of one day keepers whilst Prior has the test spot sewn up. Shouldnt really be an issue (which doesnt mean it wont be).

 

[eddiesmith]

All of them though were the main keeper and have eventually stepped down to ease workload, something Australia did in the past and would have done here if not for Paines injury

Obviously in Priors case he was dropped from the ODI team after plenty of chances

Of course it could work in Nevills favour if Wade has a poor couple of series as limited overs keeper, although it would still leave Australia without a limited overs option

But I cant recall too many examples of teams succesfully over a long period of time have 2 totally different keepers both young in the different forms

 

[gbatman]

no one else is in the pecking order or else Haddin would not be getting a game, not much has changed with our selectors, seems to be much of the same.