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Science/Environment Phasing out Plastic Packaging
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Just to be clear are you calling me an exaggerating idiot or the guy who’s got 750 bags and doesn’t want to change his lifestyle to help stop the plastic tide ?
I’m 50 years old , realised plastic was a scourge a long , long time ago so have been boxing , re-using bags since about 1995 IIRC .
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i think 750 bags guy is full of shit
Thanks for clearing that up and apologies , it could have read either way .
Yes I’m struggling to sympathise with Seeds unfortunately; most of us have kids , jobs , busy lives but it’s lifestyle choices that created this plastic epidemic and we all have the opportunity to do something about it !
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they are plastic. Tiny little ones to. No one is going to want them.
If you are using them and not having excess then they are effectively single use bags. You are being wasteful with plastic.
i am not. I don’t need excess plastic.
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so you instead buy garbage bags, you are super smart!
Look I know Seeds is a moon unit, but he's raised a valid issue here and i am baffled why people don't seem to grasp it.
These reusable bags would take a lot more energy and resources to create than a thin plastic bag, so any situation where they are for single use is environmentally disastrous.
Situations that result in accumulation is an issue. We have our groceries delivered semi regularly too, and after amassing a cupboard full of multi use bags, started throwing them out. (Fortunately we have since found a better solution in switching to a supermarket that delivers in boxes, which we recycle).
In Australia I doubt you have such an option though. And using them as bin liners is rediculous as a solution. Again, the environmental cost of manufacturing these bags to replace one shopping bag and one bin liner is moronic.
Why can't posters here accept that while these bags may be beneficial overall, there are still issues which warrant an alternate solution?
These reusable bags would take a lot more energy and resources to create than a thin plastic bag, so any situation where they are for single use is environmentally disastrous.
Situations that result in accumulation is an issue. We have our groceries delivered semi regularly too, and after amassing a cupboard full of multi use bags, started throwing them out. (Fortunately we have since found a better solution in switching to a supermarket that delivers in boxes, which we recycle).
In Australia I doubt you have such an option though. And using them as bin liners is rediculous as a solution. Again, the environmental cost of manufacturing these bags to replace one shopping bag and one bin liner is moronic.
Why can't posters here accept that while these bags may be beneficial overall, there are still issues which warrant an alternate solution?
How do you suppose I change my lifestyle?
ned Flanders thinks I should just be wasteful with plastic and use it for lots of single use purposes so that I can pretend it’s mult use. Throw away 10 bags a week doing things I don’t need to do.
what’s your solution? Dont online shop. We should just get rid of online shopping despite its massive lifestyle advantages which help prevent mental illness and the fact it helps limit the spread of viruses during a pandemic. What is your lifestyle solution?
Woah wait you might have an actual solution. Where do they have plastic recycling bins. At their stores? Do these recycling bins reuse the bags or do they just send it to the recycling tip?
if the first you have found my solution. If the latter then that’s not a solution as a lot of Australia’s recycling is simply shipped overseas and burned.
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The guy from chaser ( War on Waste ) did a doco on this and put a tracking device in a recycle plastic bags bin .
Basically went to landfill in China IIRC? Very disappointing.
Best tip is dont use them where possible
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I’ve tried but you aren’t listening.
Therefore the minimum you can do is take Ned Flanders advice and use your existing 750 bags as rubbish bags .
How about petition Woolies to deliver the Online shopping in boxes, then you give the last lot back when you get your next delivery and they keep re-using them ?
I’ve never done online shopping.
When they deliver do they walk to the front door carrying bags or do they carry them in a crate / tub ?
If it’s crate then they could have a deposit scheme where they leave the tubs with you for the week then swap them over .
When they deliver do they walk to the front door carrying bags or do they carry them in a crate / tub ?
If it’s crate then they could have a deposit scheme where they leave the tubs with you for the week then swap them over .
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Yes, best not to create them in the first place.
But no, they didn't end up in landfill. You can't even export to China any more.
What's the deal with Soft Plastics?
Soft plastics were a problem...it's not hard now though
3. Recycle
The collected plastic is brought to the REDcycle facility for initial processing, then it is delivered to Australian manufacturing partners:
Replas convert soft plastics into a range of recycled products including indoor and outdoor furniture, bollards, and signage. Replas products are perfect for use in schools, park, public spaces and commercial premises.
Close the Loop utilise soft plastics as a component for road infrastructure.
Plastic Forests use soft plastics in products including garden edges and plant beds.
What goes?
It's a pretty simple rule of thumb - if it's soft, it’s plastic and it can be scrunched then it’s pretty much good to go!
This includes:
- Produce stickers that you find on fruit & veggies (you'll just need to stick them to a bigger piece of soft plastic before you pop it in a REDcycle bin)
- Pet food bags (you may just need to cut them down into pieces - A3 is the recommended maximum size).
- Squeeze pouches (with lids on - just squeeze out as much of the contents out as possible and screw the lid back on, so it doesn’t contaminate other items)
- Bubble wrap (just remember if you have large pieces to cut it down into smaller bits - about A3 size - first)
- Zip-lock bags (of course they can be reused multiple times, but when they’ve lost that zip, they can be recycled)
- Potting mix and compost bags (not fertiliser though – those bags can still contain chemicals that can cause problems)
- Mailing satchels incl Australia Post plastic satchels
- Silver-lined chocolate, chip and snack wrappers
- Cellophane from flowers
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Yes, best not to create them in the first place.
But no, they didn't end up in landfill. You can't even export to China any more.
What's the deal with Soft Plastics?
Soft plastics were a problem...it's not hard now thoughwww.cleanup.org.au
3. Recycle
The collected plastic is brought to the REDcycle facility for initial processing, then it is delivered to Australian manufacturing partners:
Replas convert soft plastics into a range of recycled products including indoor and outdoor furniture, bollards, and signage. Replas products are perfect for use in schools, park, public spaces and commercial premises.
Close the Loop utilise soft plastics as a component for road infrastructure.
Plastic Forests use soft plastics in products including garden edges and plant beds.
What goes?
It's a pretty simple rule of thumb - if it's soft, it’s plastic and it can be scrunched then it’s pretty much good to go!
This includes:
- Produce stickers that you find on fruit & veggies (you'll just need to stick them to a bigger piece of soft plastic before you pop it in a REDcycle bin)
- Pet food bags (you may just need to cut them down into pieces - A3 is the recommended maximum size).
- Squeeze pouches (with lids on - just squeeze out as much of the contents out as possible and screw the lid back on, so it doesn’t contaminate other items)
- Bubble wrap (just remember if you have large pieces to cut it down into smaller bits - about A3 size - first)
- Zip-lock bags (of course they can be reused multiple times, but when they’ve lost that zip, they can be recycled)
- Potting mix and compost bags (not fertiliser though – those bags can still contain chemicals that can cause problems)
- Mailing satchels incl Australia Post plastic satchels
- Silver-lined chocolate, chip and snack wrappers
- Cellophane from flowers
The supermarket soft plastic recycling schemes look like PR to me, and the Chaser's War on Waste cast some doubt on it on their program, so I have my doubts. But I guess it's still better than throwing it in with the rubbish.
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RedCycle is a stop gap until our MRF’s can handle soft plastic kerbside. There’s only so many park benches Replas can make.
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Microplastics is the public health catastrophe of our generation. My gastro specialist was in agreement with me. I have tried to make small changes where possible, from ditching plastic bottles to wearing mostly cotton clothes. Just ordered some boar hair bristled toothbrushes as it horrified me to read how bad regular ones are. Food and water are obviously the big ones that is harder to avoid.
We are drowning ourselves in this shit and our bodies are infested with it however it's no surprise as plastic is obviously much easier to accommodate a world population that is exploding. It horrifies me as someone with IBD that this could be a root cause and what else will happen to me and those I love as it accumulates.
We are drowning ourselves in this shit and our bodies are infested with it however it's no surprise as plastic is obviously much easier to accommodate a world population that is exploding. It horrifies me as someone with IBD that this could be a root cause and what else will happen to me and those I love as it accumulates.
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SA leading the way on single use plastics bans, but should be national.
www.environment.sa.gov.au
Needs to be more plastics recycling initiatives like this...
www.abc.net.au
Everything you need to know about South Australia’s bans on…
Making positive changes for the environment is in, single-use plastics are out. Here’s what you need to know.
Needs to be more plastics recycling initiatives like this...
Your soft plastic bags can once again be recycled. Here's how
Australia's first large-scale soft plastics recycling facility is processing huge loads each day, turning waste into a useful raw material.
www.abc.net.au
We need a way to reduce packaging for everyday items.
Like buying cereal, grains, detergent etc etc using your own containers that you fill up at the shop, or alternately swap out with delivery of such goods.
Commercially it sucks because you have less scope to push your "brand" but **** that, right?
Like buying cereal, grains, detergent etc etc using your own containers that you fill up at the shop, or alternately swap out with delivery of such goods.
Commercially it sucks because you have less scope to push your "brand" but **** that, right?