Pick 5

[__aria__]

spot on carnthe

i think lucas suits our needs perfectly and i would be very happy to get him

i really like cunnington tho

tough one for the lewis bryce

 

[Pykie]

My worry with Cunnington is that he will be too similar to Ziebell. And that's no sleight on him, as I'm sure he's a good player. But we already have Ziebell and Swallow as our contested footy players. Also Greenwood looked like he could be another hard bodied midfielder. We still need blokes with skill who can take it away from the contest and find targets, and dispose of the ball well in the forward 50. We have Anthony and Wells but I think we need more of these type. I'm leaning towards Kane Lucas (assuming Martin will not be available) as he tested well athletically (speed, endurance, agility and vertical leap), does anyone know how he tested in the kicking test?

Kicking has been reported as a strength and a weakness by some. I have seen some footage of him and he looked pretty sound. And I know he has been able to find a bit of the footy in the WAFL and kick goals as well. What do you guys think in regards to Cunnington v Lucas?

Cunnington didnt test due to a hip injury.


As for Cunnington being too much like Ziebell, I disagree. (Not that that is a bad thing!)


Cunnington is the pure ruck rover, and whilst he has played alot of footy resting in the forward line (to great effect) in the TAC Cup, Jack is more of the utility.

Jack has the better skills (would have the best skills in this draft imo if he were in it) and better overhead, has the ability to be an extremely dangerous 3rd tall in the forward line in the future.


Cunnington on the other hand is a pure ball winner. Contested possessions, first possessions, clearances are his forte, he's an animal.

He has great vision in close, and is very creative with his hands, has neat skills by foot.



I dont know why some people have such a narrow vision when it comes to the midfield.


Only the centre bounces are played with 3 vs 3 midfielders, the rest of the time there can be up to 6 or 7 runners on each side in there.


Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis are certainly not express.
Bartel, Corey, Selwood are not quick.
Hayes, Dal Santo, Ball arn't either.


We are building one of those models.

Ziebell & Cunnington is a duo that would bring this clubs mojo back.


I think Wells, Anthony, Urquhart and JWS (God willing) is plenty of run.


You need to win the football before you can use runners in the first place.

 

[Carnthe]

Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis are certainly not express.
Bartel, Corey, Selwood are not quick.
Hayes, Dal Santo, Ball arn't either.


We are building one of those models.

Ziebell & Cunnington is a duo that would bring this clubs mojo back.


I think Wells, Anthony, Urquhart and JWS (God willing) is plenty of run.


You need to win the football before you can use runners in the first place.

All valid points Pykie.

But the Saints struggled to fit Ball into their side this year and were found wanting for run on a few occassions.

Also, I am not willing to fit JWS into my plans at this stage. If he can get on the park and play consistently then that is a bonus for me. I am excited by Urquhart, but he still has a bit of ground to cover before he can be relied on week to week.

 

[Kimbo]

Also, I am not willing to fit JWS into my plans at this stage.

Brad Scott, is that you?

 

[Pykie]

All valid points Pykie.

But the Saints struggled to fit Ball into their side this year and were found wanting for run on a few occassions.

Also, I am not willing to fit JWS into my plans at this stage. If he can get on the park and play consistently then that is a bonus for me. I am excited by Urquhart, but he still has a bit of ground to cover before he can be relied on week to week.

Ball struggled to fit into the side because he cant kick over a jam tin, and is one dimensional.

Cunnington has kicked bags of 5, 4, 3, 3 this year resting in the forward line and would of won the Morrish medal which he finished 2nd, if not for a reduced number of games.



We may have players that fall into the hard nut category, but how many do you think we have of a Lenny Hayes, Sam Mitchell, Brad Sewell, Bartel, Corey or Selwood quality?


Quality ball winners win premierships, not just a high number of them.



I think out of Wells, Anthony, Urquhart, JWS and even Sam Wright, we are likely to see at least one of them break into the top 35 or so players in the AFL.


Of Adams, Greenwood, Firrito, White and Swallow


I cant be so sure.

Potential certainly, but not as much runs on the board as the runners imo.

And certainly not close to the amount of ddepth that would warrant us passing on a guy like Ben Cunnington.

 

[Carnthe]

Brad Scott, is that you?

Haha, think I've been reading too many newsarticles about list management at this time of year.

 

[Carnthe]

Ball struggled to fit into the side because he cant kick over a jam tin, and is one dimensional.

Cunnington has kicked bags of 5, 4, 3, 3 this year resting in the forward line and would of won the Morrish medal which he finished 2nd, if not for a reduced number of games.



We may have players that fall into the hard nut category, but how many do you think we have of a Lenny Hayes, Sam Mitchell, Brad Sewell, Bartel, Corey or Selwood quality?


Quality ball winners win premierships, not just a high number of them.



I think out of Wells, Anthony, Urquhart, JWS and even Sam Wright, we are likely to see at least one of them break into the top 35 or so players in the AFL.


Of Adams, Greenwood, Firrito, White and Swallow


I cant be so sure.

Potential certainly, but not as much runs on the board as the runners imo.

And certainly not close to the amount of ddepth that would warrant us passing on a guy like Ben Cunnington.

Your swaying me Pykie. In reality we could probably do with both types. Be interesting to see the way we go.

 

[AGC]

Your swaying me Pykie. In reality we could probably do with both types. Be interesting to see the way we go.

I tend to agree with Pykie. I personally rate Cunnington the 3rd best mid behind Trengove and Scully and if we were to get a midfielder Cunnington would be my choice.
I think the trap people fall into, is that they often pigeon hole individuals into certain "categories" of which they can't break from i.e. Cunnington as a 'hard nut' means that he isn't an exciting player than can run and carry the ball. Granted you won't see Cunnington explode down the wing, shimmying a few players like Wells, but he has an innate ability to get to the ball first and dish it out to his team mates, whether it be by hand, or by foot. His kicking is still very good (probably not to the Ziebell standard, but much better than Swallow of 09) and his hand passing skills probably better than Harris circa 07.

You can never have enough of these hard nut players that just win the ball and use it well, and when they don't have the ball, chase like men possessed to get it back. Ziebell, Cunnington and Swallow is a setup that will not only help us win clearances but in the case of Ziebell and CUnnington, two players who can act as goal kicking midfielders.

 

[Carnthe]

I tend to agree with Pykie. I personally rate Cunnington the 3rd best mid behind Trengove and Scully and if we were to get a midfielder Cunnington would be my choice.

I reckon Martin could well be the best of the lot.

 

[Pykie]

I reckon Martin could well be the best of the lot.

You can go back to the basic breakdown of contested footy and decision making.


When your side has possession of the ball.
When the opposition side has possession of the ball.
When the ball is in dispute.


I like Cunnington because he excels in each one of these aspects.

The one big slight on Martin throughout juniors is his lack of defensive aspect to his game.

Fantastic finisher, yes.

But he does run ahead of the play alot.


Ben might'n be as excellent in some areas, but he is consistently strong in them all.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Hey Pykie. Love your thinking. Footy is won in the midfield..and that where we need to focus on. We can't rely on Swallow to win all our contested ball and that's why I'd love to see Cunnington or Martin in roos colours next year.

I've seen both of them play this year, and although Martin can look a little laid back at times, he still goes like a bull towards a red towel with his attack on the footy.

Although Ziebell is tough as nails I'd rather he play an outside role, where he can use his smarts and finishing skills to compliment Swallow and Cunnington/Martin.

Assuming we have 2 2nd round picks, I'd like us to pick up a mid like Bastinac/Carey and the look at getting a tall with the pick 25. Which KPP do you think will still be around then? I'd love Nate Fyfe, but i wouldn't really consider him to be KP more of a 3rd tall. Aaron Black or Griffiths could still be around whats your thoughts on them?

Any other KP's who you'd take a punt on in the 3rd or 4th round. I'd personally give Serhat Temel, or Sean Tighe a chance...anyone else on your radar?

 

[AGC]

Assuming we have 2 2nd round picks, I'd like us to pick up a mid like Bastinac/Carey and the look at getting a tall with the pick 25. Which KPP do you think will still be around then? I'd love Nate Fyfe, but i wouldn't really consider him to be KP more of a 3rd tall. Aaron Black or Griffiths could still be around whats your thoughts on them?

Any other KP's who you'd take a punt on in the 3rd or 4th round. I'd personally give Serhat Temel, or Sean Tighe a chance...anyone else on your radar?

Honestly, if fit, Ben Griffiths is arguably the best KP of this draft, and would be an excellent pick up for any team. The only problem is that he seems perennially injured, and it doesn't matter how much talent you have, if you're always in the rehab room (as we know).

The club would need to give Ben an incredibly thorough medical review to even consider him, but at a time when we need to add depth I think he's very risky. Personally for KP players, if not Butcher, than Black or Carlisle are the next best options.

 

[__aria__]

interesting agc i havent seen griffiths apart from some videos on their site

ive seen you say that griffiths is arguably the best kp in the draft a few times

surely you are basing this on potential because it doesnt look like he has had many good games at tac cup or u/18 championship level at all

looks good and could be the best in a few years but u would have a extremely tough time arguing that he is currently the best kp player or am i missing something

 

[AGC]

interesting agc i havent seen griffiths apart from some videos on their site

ive seen you say that griffiths is arguably the best kp in the draft a few times

surely you are basing this on potential because it doesnt look like he has had many good games at tac cup or u/18 championship level at all

I'm a fairly keen TAC Cup watcher, and in the past few years (being an Eastern suburbs man) tend to see a bit of the Ranges.
You can just see 'goodness' in a player from watching the way that they operate. You also have to consider whether a player is affected by injuries, or coming off an injury interrupted season like Griffiths.

Athletically and physically, he's a perfect forward (with injuries the concern)

There are two particular performances that stick out to me. One was in 08 in Round 1 against Northern I believe, where he kicked 3 goals. Originally I recognised his as the opening bowler who used to send down incredibly quick bouncers to me when I played cricket against him. That drew my attention to him, and he was incredibly impressive. It was only 3 goals, but he looked like an incredibly clever forward.
I didn't get to see the Falcons match where he kicked 4-4, to get Eastern over the line against the dominant Geelong- but I managed to see the highlights of the match against calder where he kicked 6. It was immensely impressive.

He's a bit like Tarrant in that you know there's an incredible amount of talent there, and that he's shown it in bursts, enough for you to make a judgement. Fit and firing (again this is all quite speculative) he's immensely damaging and a very attractive prospect. It's just about getting him fit and firing.

 

[numchuks]

Could jetta survive to our 2nd rounder?

Would service our need for exciting, line breaker. And we could get the hard nut Cunnington with no.5.

 

[Ted]

incredibly quick

incredibly impressive

incredibly clever forward

incredible amount of talent there

[YOUTUBE]zFXtb9jBaBM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Pykie]

Assuming we have 2 2nd round picks, I'd like us to pick up a mid like Bastinac/Carey and the look at getting a tall with the pick 25. Which KPP do you think will still be around then? I'd love Nate Fyfe, but i wouldn't really consider him to be KP more of a 3rd tall. Aaron Black or Griffiths could still be around whats your thoughts on them?

Any other KP's who you'd take a punt on in the 3rd or 4th round. I'd personally give Serhat Temel, or Sean Tighe a chance...anyone else on your radar?

I think Aaron Black will be a bolter, will be gone by #21.

Ben Griffiths on the other hand, I really rate.

Would be close to my number one preference at 21.


If not for injury accross the last 2 seasons, would be featuring in the top 10 imo.

Is going to turn into a seriously big unit, and plays the game not to disimilar to Drew Petrie/Kosi.

Is 6"5, quick and agile for his size, and clunks a serious grab.

Sam Reid is one guy I would consider with a 3rd rounder.

6"4 Defender/forward. Massive tank, and super quick for his size, finished top 5 in the 20m at the camp, as well as doing extremely well in the vertical leap.



Most people, Kevin Sheehan included are playing the line of the draft being quality to 25 then dropping away.


I disagree with that.

Theres going to some absolute beauties from 20-40 imo, the draft is very strong right upto 40, then it almost flat lines.

This years rookie draft wont eventuate to much at all.


2 picks in the 2nd round, 2 in the third round is fanstic imo.


Guys like Griffiths, Bastinac, Taylor etc etc, will will be getting 4 such players

 

[__aria__]

haha just saw cunnington interview for one of the afl.com.au videos
he sounds exactly like jonathon brown

hey pykie did u see much of callum bartlett before he did his knee
give me one of your trademark giant posts on him i like reading your posts

 

[Roos4eva]

haha just saw cunnington interview for one of the afl.com.au videos
he sounds exactly like jonathon brown

It's funny how a Western District Victorian accent is so easily recognisable.

Brown and Cunnington's (and Rohan's) hometowns are not far from each other for those unaware.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Where's sam reid from? Never heard of him before.

I'm in the same boat i definately think the draft will be very strong up till around 40 or even 50. I still think there will be excellent players picked up with rookie selections and draft picks. How do you guys rate Andrew Hooper from Nth Ballarat? I really like this kid, and he is obviously an ecellent footballer winning the Larke medallist equal with Swallow. Not much talk about him and he's not rated that highly because of his height, sounds very similar to Patch adams, i think he could be worth a shot with one of our 3rd rounders!

 

[Chadwiko]

I'm coming around to the idea of getting Cunnington at pick 5.

Regardless of their skill levels, I honestly believe that Morabito or Trengove would be better fits for what we're after in terms of adding some class to our midfield, but considering that it's highly unlikely they'll be available at Pick 5, Cunnington seems the next best option.

Just a little concerned though - in 2 years I can't really picture a centre-square lineup of McIntosh, Swallow, Ziebell and Cunnington. Those three players would kill each other in an effort to get first hands on the ball

What i'm saying is; I would have preferred to get an 'outside' mid as opposed to an 'inside' mid at Pick 5. But there is no disputing Cunnington's talent and work ethic, and I'd be more than happy to see him playing for NMFC.

(I don't want Butcher at Pick 5. I don't really have him in my top 10 anymore)

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I think the good thing about having those guys in the guts, is that ziebell and cunnington could potentially play outside roles anyway. Cunnington has excellent finishing skills too. So whoever out of those 3 are in there getting it first, they are going to be dishing out to a quality player with a good kick instead of power, simpson or rawlings, who's skills aren't too crash hot. Would make a huge difference i believe.

If Martin isn't there, I'd take Cunnington.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

My mail from an impeccable sauce is that the Tiges are rock hard for Martin. And that Melbourne getting increasingly keen on Morabito.

So:

1. Melbourne: Tom 'The New Trav Johnstone' Scully
2. Meltank: Morabito
3. Tiges: Martin

Now it gets interesting. Do Freo take the next best available talent - Trengove, or the next best available WA talent in Lucas or do they punt and go big as a replacement for Pav with Butcher. Either way, IMO a two in three chance that

5. North Melbourne: Trengove.

THAT would be a bloody result and nowhere near as far fetched as people believe.

 

[bellzy]

My mail from an impeccable sauce is that the Tiges are rock hard for Martin. And that Melbourne getting increasingly keen on Morabito.

So:

1. Melbourne: Tom 'The New Trav Johnstone' Scully
2. Meltank: Morabito
3. Tiges: Martin

Now it gets interesting. Do Freo take the next best available talent - Trengove, or the next best available WA talent in Lucas or do they punt and go big as a replacement for Pav with Butcher. Either way, IMO a two in three chance that

5. North Melbourne: Trengove.

THAT would be a bloody result and nowhere near as far fetched as people believe.

People like YOU make people like ME depressed come draft day.

 

[__aria__]

ive watched trengove the most out of any junior this year and im gonna go ahead and say theres no way that will happen

honestly he shits on martin and morabito