Pick 62, 2012 draft - Sam Siggins

[headache1]

He won't be a Fletcher but I'd be happy if he was another Ken McGregor who played over 100 games and was our best defender at one stage (I know he was crap at the end) and pick 75ish.

He was pretty crap at the start too. For quite a while, he was one of the luckiest people in the league to be on an AFL list.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Maybe I'm simply being a bit fastidious but I don't believe the recruiters get it wrong, I feel the some clubs have very poor player development and well fair programs in place and once the players are in the system, they lose focus, desire and want to be the best player they can.

Alex

I agree to a point, look at Melb, very poor history at developing early picks.

However with that said I've always believed that talent only gets you so far, but combined with attitude and desire this will get you'll the way

Yes a football club needs to provide an environment, program and resources to develop players however ultimately it's the individual that needs to take responsibility for applying a fierce commitment to build on his talent

You can lead. Horse to water however ultimately the horse needs to take a drink on it's own

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Hope Siggy never gets into trouble with his contract,

How would Caro go with Tham Thigginth?

 

[Mike Smyth]

There would be about a 10% chance that either of the 2 players we drafted will play more than 20 games. Amazing how often players "slide" to us in the draft.

 

[ftmch]

Hope Siggy never gets into trouble with his contract,

How would Caro go with Tham Thigginth?

It's would almost be worth throwing him under the bus just for the S&G's

 

[ManInTheArena]

There would be about a 10% chance that either of the 2 players we drafted will play more than 20 games. Amazing how often players "slide" to us in the draft.

We have a pretty good record. We don't have a pick under 10 on our list (not counting Tambling who we didn't draft).

It would be interesting to see what the real chance is using Crows data only from the past 7 years.

 

[Apsaalooke]

He was pretty crap at the start too. For quite a while, he was one of the luckiest people in the league to be on an AFL list.

He was decent in the middle years as a CHB though from 2002-2006. 152 games, 114 goals and towelled up Pavlich and Jonathon Brown more than once. Far better than most pick 75's, pity about the Pavlich comparison though.

 

[Tex200]

There would be about a 10% chance that either of the 2 players we drafted will play more than 20 games. Amazing how often players "slide" to us in the draft.

I'm interested to know your factual basis for that statement.

As for the implication its all spin.....its clear from many sources Atkins slid dramatically , Siggins not so much. Atkins did not slide due to talent .....clearly we have to develop his attitude. On talent though this kid was a dead set slider.

 

[Jerome]

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/11/24/366769_afl.html
Siggo interview with Brett Stubbs
"They are the club that has showed me so much faith and backed me, and I feel confident going over there and I look forward to it. It was a long day, I felt pretty sick all day, I couldn't really eat."

Great to read that he really wants to be here and is very keen.

 

[JP Sauce]

We have a pretty good record. We don't have a pick under 10 on our list (not counting Tambling who we didn't draft).

It would be interesting to see what the real chance is using Crows data only from the past 7 years.

Our picks from the last 7 years, excluding top 50 picks:

'11
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
'10
Jarryd Lyons
'09
James Craig
'08
Tom Lee
Will Young
'07
Tony Armstrong
Aaron Kite
'06
Nick Gill
Bryce Campbell
'05
Pass

9 players: 7 gone already, 1 a very speculative pick and 1 highly rated but not in the team.

 

[JP Sauce]

So it looks like Mike Smyth's 10% is pretty spot on.

 

[Mismatched]

Our picks from the last 7 years, excluding top 50 picks:

'11
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
'10
Jarryd Lyons
'09
James Craig
'08
Tom Lee
Will Young
'07
Tony Armstrong
Aaron Kite
'06
Nick Gill
Bryce Campbell
'05
Pass

9 players: 7 gone already, 1 a very speculative pick and 1 highly rated but not in the team.

Plus 2 on other clubs lists, one of whom netted us a former pick 12 in the draft and another who the Saints have just paid a rather hefty price for.

Oh and that pass in 05 was so we could pick up Porplyzia in the PSD.

 

[Tex200]

Our picks from the last 7 years, excluding top 50 picks:

'11
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
'10
Jarryd Lyons
'09
James Craig
'08
Tom Lee
Will Young
'07
Tony Armstrong
Aaron Kite
'06
Nick Gill
Bryce Campbell
'05
Pass

9 players: 7 gone already, 1 a very speculative pick and 1 highly rated but not in the team.

Or you could extrapolate that of 9 picked, take out who was cruelled by injury, and of the 8 fit choices, 4 are on an AFL list. So 50%. Bit better than 10%.

 

[Hank93]

Quayle review of the draft, with a quarter of it dedicated to the Crows

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...al-work-begins-in-earnest-20121123-29yyw.html

HOW DID THE CROWS DO?

This wasn't a terrible draft for Adelaide to step mostly out of, for several reasons. It means the club has already served part of its punishment pending next week's full commission hearing, a first-round pick of No. 20 is in no man's land and the Crows were never planning to play a big role in this draft anyway, taking just two live picks. They also have Brad Crouch, their pick in last year's 17-year-old mini draft, coming on to the list and he would have been a top-three or -five choice this year if on offer to everyone else. Recruiting manager Hamish Ogilvie, running his first draft, had choices 62 and 81 and was able to use them well. Sam Siggins is a key defender who got down that far because he doesn't win as much of the ball as others, and Rory Atkins is a creative, clever forward who could be a very good player, even in the midfield, if he improves his defensive mindset and knuckles down. If the Crows were on the lookout for two things at this draft, they were defensive depth and some outside skill. With Siggins and Atkins, they addressed both those needs.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What's different in the selection process ......it seems clubs are having better results with rookies than late draft picks

Surely a late draft pick SHOULD be better than a rookie selection?

But are we selecting players differently ......main draft talent/needs and rookie players with known flaws by hopefully able to be developed?

It seems to me Siggins and Atkins are the type of players clubs would rookie ......plenty of talent but with flaws in needing of development
Hopefully that's how we approached these selections

Thoughts?

 

[Tex200]

What's different in the selection process ......it seems clubs are having better results with rookies than late draft picks

Surely a late draft pick SHOULD be better than a rookie selection?

But are we selecting players differently ......main draft talent/needs and rookie players with known flaws by hopefully able to be developed?

It seems to me Siggins and Atkins are the type of players clubs would rookie ......plenty of talent but with flaws in needing of development
Hopefully that's how we approached these selections

Thoughts?

Atkins more so. Noble said that you cant ignore talent, which i took to mean he was the most talented kid left but had been indeed been ignored = attitude problem. he slid for a reason and reading between the lines he is perceived as lazy, as opposed to garlett type issues.

Kpd different. Not unusual now to use lower pick and develop.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Atkins more so. Noble said that you cant ignore talent, which i took to mean he was the most talented kid left but had been indeed been ignored = attitude problem. he slid for a reason and reading between the lines he is perceived as lazy, as opposed to garlett type issues.

Kpd different. Not unusual now to use lower pick and develop.

No i think Siggins as well ...... Has three years development IMO to match it at AFL level
Not sure Rutten has 3 years left ....that's an issue for the next draft

All players drafted /rookied have talent .......it's just the mindset of recruiters in selection late picks v rookies

No doubt Atkins and Siggins have talent .....Siggins from all reports has a great attitude so i am more confident with him than Atkins

The years are littered with champion juniors who fail at senior level .....also duds at junior level who work their butt off and become champions at senior level .....it's all about attitude & work rate

 

[cmndstab]

Rendell had a great record, but he really only had success in the first round, and the rookie draft. We tended to do fairly poorly in picks 30-forward. (Sloane is the notable exception, Lyons might end up another).

 

[FAITH]

Rendell had a great record, but he really only had success in the first round, and the rookie draft. We tended to do fairly poorly in picks 30-forward. (Sloane is the notable exception, Lyons might end up another).

Shaw/Otten as well.
I think alot of credit also needs to go to our development staff.
Rendell did a great job but he cant take all the credit for the way players are developed.

 

[cammo6556]

And it's upset a few Sydney supporters along the way

If Tippett somehow finds his way to Sydney, and if there is a football god, Siggins will knock him out.

Instant hero.

 

[crow4life]

If Tippett somehow finds his way to Sydney, and if there is a football god, Siggins will knock him out.

Instant hero.

That is, of course, if the prick ever fronts up against Adelaide.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

WW

Watts has talent but by all reports he has a lazy work ethic and he went #1

My point is that I don't believe that there is a proven science to recruiting players from a TAC type of environment, a star Top 15 draft pick doesn't necessary translate to a AFL 200 game player

IMO most draftees have talent, yes some may have a little more natural talent than others however to succeed it all comes back to attitude and the saxrafices that you are prepared to make

What I like about Atkin is how he has bounced back in the TAC comp, i look at Atkin's journey with a "glass is half full" approach, some of these top picks have not had a set back just yet so how they will deal with it is unknown, Rory Atkin has had his kick in the ass and bounced back with a b&f season, this surely has to be viewed as a tick

There is no better coach for this lad to have than Sando, to Sando's own admission his attitude was not great until he met Buck's, I just got a feeling Atkin is going to repay us big time

 

[Tex200]

WW

Watts has talent but by all reports he has a lazy work ethic and he went #1

My point is that I don't believe that there is a proven science to recruiting players from a TAC type of environment, a star Top 15 draft pick doesn't necessary translate to a AFL 200 game player

IMO most draftees have talent, yes some may have a little more natural talent than others however to succeed it all comes back to attitude and the saxrafices that you are prepared to make

What I like about Atkin is how he has bounced back in the TAC comp, i look at Atkin's journey with a "glass is half full" approach, some of these top picks have not had a set back just yet so how they will deal with it is unknown, Rory Atkin has had his kick in the arse and bounced back with a b&f season, this surely has to be viewed as a tick

There is no better coach for this lad to have than Sando, to Sando's own admission his attitude was not great until he met Buck's, I just got a feeling Atkin is going to repay us big time

Sure hope your right. On paper he is exactly what we need....take the ball from inside and distribute will what appears to be an exquisite kick. If he has anything about him at all he will be motivted to prove a lot of doubters wrong.

I see his sister has already flown the coupe to Hong Kong, do they don't sound like a pussy stay home kind of family

 

[swanfan]

Sure hope your right. On paper he is exactly what we need....take the ball from inside and distribute will what appears to be an exquisite kick. If he has anything about him at all he will be motivted to prove a lot of doubters wrong.

I see his sister has already flown the coupe to Hong Kong, do they don't sound like a pussy stay home kind of family

And don't take it in turns.

 

[Footypie32]

And don't take it in turns.

Poor taste... I like it!