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List Mgmt. Pick 9

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Without checking their testing, i wonder what order people would put these players in for speed considering all the commentary about a need for speed and pace?....Which i agree with btw:

Ash, Kemp, Henry, Robertson, D.Stephens.










Not sure many would get the correct order of:

Robertson - 2.92
Stephens - 2.97
Kemp -2.98
Ash - 3,01
Henry - 3.06
 
bigblueboy said:
Don't worry about Serong's leg speed - his great skill is reading the play faster than others. That's what makes top players - not speed in itself.
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Pendlebury ain't that quick either but everyone seems to stop when he has the ball the way he moves through traffic and redirects. Speed ain't everything.
 

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BigBreakfast said:
A

grand final and two picks in the top ten the following year with Rabbits coming back too. Unbelievable position on anyone’s scale.
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True, but to get picks 4 & 5, GWS have given up

1/3 of Dylan Shiel
Their first pick this year
Their first pick next year
The rest of their picks/points this year
Potentially some picks/points next year

A lot of draft capital and effort has gone into them getting two top 5 picks this year...
 
HARKER said:
Ash ahead of Young? I guess I know little about football then.
It is GWS though and they do have Haynes and will need run out of the back-line with Shaw on his last legs, but that would be on needs basis surely.

Odd they can't attach a name to the #9 but can on the teams following. How does that work?
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No clue buddy ask Arrow he’s the draft guru
 
gezimnexhipi said:
No clue buddy ask Arrow he’s the draft guru
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Young is a great kick. Ash breaks lines. It may be that they love their ‘metres gained’ boys up there (Eg: Whitfield and Shaw) and want to keep them coming. Pretty amazing btw that Ash finished top five at champs in score involvements....from the half back flank.
 
windows1 said:
Young is a great kick. Ash breaks lines. It may be that they love their ‘metres gained’ boys up there (Eg: Whitfield and Shaw) and want to keep them coming. Pretty amazing btw that Ash finished top five at champs in score involvements....from the half back flank.
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Also means Williams may stay in the midfield, where he was pretty damn good.
 
ferrisb said:
True, but to get picks 4 & 5, GWS have given up

1/3 of Dylan Shiel
Their first pick this year
Their first pick next year
The rest of their picks/points this year
Potentially some picks/points next year

A lot of draft capital and effort has gone into them getting two top 5 picks this year...
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Suppose they gotta strike whilst the iron is hot.

Next year's draft is meant to be poor and diluted with academy picks, they won't lose any sleep giving up their 2020 first round pick.
 

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ABigOlDoofus said:
Robbie Gray has much better agility and evasiveness than Serong, he was able to thrive being a small, slower mid due to his ability to side step or maneuver his body in ways that made it hard to tackle him. So far Serong hasn't shown any of that, he's just out muscled other underdeveloped kids, which obviously won't translate to the AFL very well.
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And how was Gray in his draft year? So good that he made it to pick 50 odd.

Of course Gray is a lot better, your comparing a star of the game to a kid from under 18s
 
Ok, I’m really confused.

What the hell do we make of Miles Bergman? I’ve watched a lot of him now. Like A LOT. And quite frankly WHEN he does something - he’s THE best player in the draft.

Let me say that again. WHEN Miles Bergman is involved in the game he’s THE BEST player in the draft.

Why?

Well let’s see. He doesn’t ever fumble. He has beautiful hands. Terrific mark. At 189 with long arms and huge leap he’s a great mark. He’s super fast. He kicks it, what SIXtY? Easy. And hits targets. He makes good decisions. The bloke is lethal. Absolutely lethal. Classic Arrow player.

So why isn’t he higher? He doesn’t get the ball. 14 possessions a game for a wing/half forward. Ok so I wrote him off due to that.

BUT he’s had multiple stress fractures and shin splints. Which must have savagely affected his training. Apparnelty this year could barely train between games due to that.

So.....is he: Gary Rohan or Patrick Dangerfield???

Honestly there seems no reason why he can’t get ‘fit enough’ for AFL. He’s all over things amazing.

So. He’s my new favourite toy. I want him badly. Like as a footballer I mean.
 
windows1 said:
Ok, I’m really confused.

What the hell do we make of Miles Bergman? I’ve watched a lot of him now. Like A LOT. And quite frankly WHEN he does something - he’s THE best player in the draft.

Let me say that again. WHEN Miles Bergman is involved in the game he’s THE BEST player in the draft.

Why?

Well let’s see. He doesn’t ever fumble. He has beautiful hands. Terrific mark. At 189 with long arms and huge leap he’s a great mark. He’s super fast. He kicks it, what SIXtY? Easy. And hits targets. He makes good decisions. The bloke is lethal. Absolutely lethal. Classic Arrow player.

So why isn’t he higher? He doesn’t get the ball. 14 possessions a game for a wing/half forward. Ok so I wrote him off due to that.

BUT he’s had multiple stress fractures and shin splints. Which must have savagely affected his training. Apparnelty this year could barely train between games due to that.

So.....is he: Gary Rohan or Patrick Dangerfield???

Honestly there seems no reason why he can’t get ‘fit enough’ for AFL. He’s all over things amazing.

So. He’s my new favourite toy. I want him badly. Like as a footballer I mean.
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Now this sounds like a guy we can trade down for
 

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windows1 said:
They have an over supply of picks. Eg: Port 3 inside 20. GC have 15 and 20 after they already have 1,2. Cats have four at 36 and under.

We have one top 40 pick.
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I don't see that as an issue given how hard we've hit the draft over the past 4 years.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
I don't see that as an issue given how hard we've hit the draft over the past 4 years.
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I just explained the maths of why.

Not making an argument for or against.

But here’s an argument:

If they rate a number of players the same and are sure they still get one at say 14
With Cats AND get a later pick, then why not?

I said IF.
 
windows1 said:
I just explained the maths of why.

Not making an argument for or against.

But here’s an argument:

If they rate a number of players the same and are sure they still get one at say 14
With Cats AND get a later pick, then why not?

I said IF.
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I get that. Was just making a point that there's a lot of enthusiasm for bringing in heaps of picks when it's probably not required given the number of selections we've had in recent years.

Going by the draft gurus, there appears to be a top echelon of around a dozen players. What people need to remember is that pick 14 will become pick 17 after academy/FS selections, so the likelihood of one of these players sliding that far down the draft board is unlikely.

Last year it was the Super Seven. This year it's probably more on the lines of the Decent Dozen.

When you have so many clubs desperate to get into the top 10, you need to ask why? The most logical answer is that they see a pretty sharp drop off in the talent pool after a certain point.

No doubt high quality AFL players will emerge from outside the first round, but you may find there are too many misses between say the 15-40 bracket to justify the risk of trading down.
 

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