Pick Trading

[TheMelbourneCrow]

JUST A THEORY
I don't know if this is possible at all, but here goes anyway.

Can you trade picks you know you will not use.

Say we could trade our 2nd,3rd,4th picks in a swap with say Richmond, to upgrade our 2nd round pick.

As in all likelyhood we will not be using more than 2 picks.

 

[Mismatched]

JUST A THEORY
I don't know if this is possible at all, but here goes anyway.

Can you trade picks you know you will not use.

Say we could trade our 2nd,3rd,4th picks in a swap with say Richmond, to upgrade our 2nd round pick.

As in all likelyhood we will not be using more than 2 picks.

Technically, yes I believe we could.

 

[WALL-e]

Yep, I see us trading our 2nd and 3rd for a 2nd upgrade.

 

[cmndstab]

The question raised in the OP is one I had too. Let's say we have 4 vacancies on our list. We then get 4 picks in the ND. I assume then that we can't trade a fifth round pick, because we don't have one. However, if we trade, say, our second and third for an upgraded second pick, we're now one pick short. I assume in this case, we automatically gain a pick in the next (fifth) round? And in theory we could trade that away too and then get another pick, this time in the sixth round?

Then, if we choose not to use that pick, we get a pick in the PSD.

Is this right? If you trade away more picks/players than you started with, you gain extra picks in the rounds you haven't had picks in yet?

This year we might actually see the Crows use a PSD pick, they're always interesting

 

[Stiffy_18]

Yes you can. There used to be a rule that you had to use the pick that you get in a trade but that was changed a few years ago. Remember when Geelong traded King and Charlie Gardiner to St. Kilda for pick 90 and never used that pick.

So there is really nothing stopping us trading multiple picks for a single pick thats higher but realistically, there wouldn't be many clubs, if any that are actually trading into this draft. A lot of them are trading out of it which suggest how lowly they rate the talent in the draft pool.

But there is nothing stopping us from offering 2nd and 3rd picks for a 2nd rounder thats earlier than ours. Not sure that any club would go for it though.

 

[Vader]

You have as many picks as you have vacancies on your list. If you have 4 vacancies and opt to trade away your 2nd round pick, then you just get picks in the 1st, 3rd, 4th & 5th rounds. You can trade any pick you like - at the moment we could (theoretically) have up to 38 selections (if we chose to delist our entire senior list), which would make our last pick 13 + 37*16 = #605. Note that the number of picks we will use hasn't even been determined yet.

The final draft order isn't determined until List Lodgement 2 - which is when the clubs have to complete their lists with all of the post-season change. This includes:

• retirements
• delistings
• trades (in & out)
• rookie upgrades
• veteran list promotions
• anything else I may have forgotten.

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

What I see is that a club with a huge amount of delistings (Richmond/Sydney/Freo or example) will have 5 or move live picks.

If we assume richmond, they could keep thier 1st, Our 2nd, Thier 3rd, Our 3rd, Thier 4th, Our 5th etc..

If they have 6 picks or more, it is a major win for the club.

 

[KUNG FU]

I've always thought the change in the rule that allowed trading of picks was unexploited. For example, the Wood for #14 trade - it makes sense that Collingwood felt they could get their first preference McCarthy in the second round, so they traded themselves out of the first round. Surely there would be plenty of examples where a club felt they could get their player at a later time or were willing to sacrifice their 2nd/3rd rounder to move up 3-6 spots earlier in the draft to ensure they get a specific player, or something along those lines. Maybe Fremantle could have traded their way down the draft order so they could still get Hill and sweeten up their options later in the draft for example.

 

[Mismatched]

What I see is that a club with a huge amount of delistings (Richmond/Sydney/Freo or example) will have 5 or move live picks.

If we assume richmond, they could keep thier 1st, Our 2nd, Thier 3rd, Our 3rd, Thier 4th, Our 5th etc..

If they have 6 picks or more, it is a major win for the club.

Its certainly an interesting proposal, could certainly be worth looking at trying, especially if we plan to only use 2 picks(although I think we might use 3), as having an extra 3rd and 4th might be better than having to use a 5th and a 6th, for a club looking to stock up on a lot of "talent" and might be worth a slight downgrade in the second round(chance they could get the same player anyway).

 

[Stiffy_18]

I've always thought the change in the rule that allowed trading of picks was unexploited. For example, the Wood for #14 trade - it makes sense that Collingwood felt they could get their first preference McCarthy in the second round, so they traded themselves out of the first round. Surely there would be plenty of examples where a club felt they could get their player at a later time or were willing to sacrifice their 2nd/3rd rounder to move up 3-6 spots earlier in the draft to ensure they get a specific player, or something along those lines. Maybe Fremantle could have traded their way down the draft order so they could still get Hill and sweeten up their options later in the draft for example.

The whole concept of trading is so amateurish in the AFL its not funny. In other sports, specifically in the NBA, its a lot more flexible to trade picks. You can trade future picks. You can have certain protections around those picks, you can trade up or down in the draft if you have a specific player in that you want to take.

In the AFL its amateur hour.

 

[Mismatched]

The whole concept of trading is so amateurish in the AFL its not funny. In other sports, specifically in the NBA, its a lot more flexible to trade picks. You can trade future picks. You can have certain protections around those picks, you can trade up or down in the draft if you have a specific player in that you want to take.

In the AFL its amateur hour.

Yep, just got to watch Port trade for that:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,26177476-5016212,00.html

 

[KUNG FU]

Yep, just got to watch Port trade for that:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,26177476-5016212,00.html

The President of the club, who has only the slightest indirect influence on list management and recruitment, says they haven't "offered him up" does not equate to: "Campbell Brown will not be traded". Big difference. Hawks need to make some moves to make this happen.

 

[Vantz]

Yes you can.

In 2007 West Coast and Western Bulldogs completed a pick only trade, the Western Bulldogs traded draft pick 22 to the West Coast Eagles for draft picks 30 and 35.