List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[VelvetSledge]

Can people please understand there is no point trading for picks when we are about to enter a potential premiership window ffs;

I don't agree with you often, but this is a good one.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

The thing is these days, a 1st round must be used for a father/son pick or other clubs can have a free shot at him if they want to draft ihm, if they do, you have to use ur 1st pick on him, in the same round as the other club.

I'm sure that's how it works now.

Next available pick, wherever that pick happens to be.

 

[zackah]

Our 44 man squad would then look as follows:

SENIOR SIDE:
....

RESERVE 22:
C: B.Howlett B.Stanton

did lol

 

[daz17]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...don-key-forwards/story-fnia6qqu-1226673371529

THE Western Bulldogs have made a double-barrelled assault on two Essendon forwards - Scott Gumbleton and Stewart Crameri.

Another out-of-contract Bomber, Tom Bellchambers, is understood to be of interest to GWS and Collingwood.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...don-key-forwards/story-fnia6qqu-1226673371529

Says Carlton are also interested in Gumby.

 

[BrunoV]

Bound to happen. You know we will **** this up and Gumby will go.

 

[yaco55]

Assuming that Collingwood is interested in T-Bell - The player that interests me is Paul Seedsman - hard running outside flanker who has raised his game to another level. I doubt that this will be achievable. Not interested in sidebottom as he is another slowish player.

 

[The Jet]

Gumby wont be going anywhere. He is loyal to his employers who stuck by him during his bad run of injuries. End of season he'll get a 2-3 year deal this time.

 

[sneakyjetta]

Gumbleton for garlet
TBC for sidebottom
Crameri for higgns

get it done efc.

 

[eth-dog]

Assuming that Collingwood is interested in T-Bell - The player that interests me is Paul Seedsman - hard running outside flanker who has raised his game to another level. I doubt that this will be achievable. Not interested in sidebottom as he is another slowish player.

Genuine question. Have you seen Sidebottom, well, ever?

 

[VelvetSledge]

Gumbleton for garlet
TBC for sidebottom
Crameri for higgns

get it done efc.

What.

The.

F*^k.

I thought you were a troll account, but this is so far beyond the point of moronic that now I'm not sure if you're old enough to own a computer.

 

[yaco55]

Genuine question. Have you seen Sidebottom, well, ever?

Sidebottom is as slow as a wet week. Had an inconsistent season, and has been tagged out of the game on three or four occasions.

Seedsman is the guy who best fits our team.

 

[bombermick]

Gumby stayed on when his career could have been over by the end of this year, he's going nowhere. T-Bell is the worry. As for F/S, the Crows were barred from accessing any, so it could happen to us.

 

[Duckworth]

What.

The.

F*^k.

I thought you were a troll account, but this is so far beyond the point of moronic that now I'm not sure if you're old enough to own a computer.

23yo.

 

[VelvetSledge]

23yo.

 

[FlyingV]

What is this fascination with Higgins
Jesus. Every bloody season.

 

[Zach Package]

What is this fascination with Higgins
Jesus. Every bloody season.

If higgins didn't have the injury history he does i'd be all over him.

Unfortunately he does, so anything above free is overs for him.

Say the WB were to offer their 2nd rounder for gumby, would you accept? more importantly will the club?

 

[daz17]

If higgins didn't have the injury history he does i'd be all over him.

Unfortunately he does, so anything above free is overs for him.

Say the WB were to offer their 2nd rounder for gumby, would you accept? more importantly will the club?

Their second rounder will still be pretty low.

 

[Zach Package]

Their second rounder will still be pretty low.

That's part of my point. It'll probably be pick 25-26 depending on FA compo.

I'm firmly in the keep Gumby camp, but at the same time would not begrudge him at all if he decided to leave for greater opportunities, especially to the dogs, Carlton not so much because of their proximity to us on the ladder.

Bottom line is he's a valued commodity, and 2 clubs at least will be into him, which will drive up his value either way

 

[yaco55]

In a perfect world you'd only allow one of T-Bell/Gumbleton/Pears to leave - Seeing that Hille will retire and Fletcher will follow.

Whether this happens is doubtful.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Sidebottom is as slow as a wet week. Had an inconsistent season, and has been tagged out of the game on three or four occasions.

Its finally happened, after all these years... I agree. If GWS are keen on TBC, Adams is the way I'd be looking.

 

[yaco55]

Its finally happened, after all these years... I agree. If GWS are keen on TBC, Adams is the way I'd be looking.

That would seem to be the likely trade if Adams refuses to resign with GWS.

Adams will fit nicely into our midfield.

 

[Eleven 38]

I would be taking Collingwood player performances this year with a grain of salt. 3 years ago they used to help each other out with tags and the like, now they are all just playing for pay rises. Egos are running wild, and they can blame one Travis Cloke for starting this "I'm gonna hold the club to ransom to get the most money out of them" it ruins a culture.

Us in comparison we just continue to sign up our stars, and it's a reason the cats have won 3 flags and continued success, the pies got one and the players lost their heads.

Having said that I believe just about any of the pies senior players would play better if they left and joined another team.

 

[BrunoV]

Sidebottom is just another of those players who isn't going to change the dynamic of the midfield and, despite being a gun (probably not any slower than Stanton but without the endurance), is therefore not worth paying the price for.

We are too good a side for all of these dramatic trade ideas. Unless there is the prospect of another free agency coup we ought not even turn up to trade week.

 

[Yoda_]

You would only entertain the ideas of trading guys like Gumby and TBC if we were to gain players that improve our side BrunoV?

 

[BrunoV]

You would only entertain the ideas of trading guys like Gumby and TBC if we were to gain players that improve our side BrunoV?

No, it is narrower than just improvement. We need a player that is elite in areas which are a weakness in the current side and which cannot be developed. It really is only an explosive clearance winning, ball carrying machine midfielder and quality small forward. I certainly don't think that latter is important enough to trade for (with a realistic alternative we have in our system, if not on our list, and another who we've already had a close look at).

Partially it is a matter of principle but mainly it is that it undermines building culture if players are expendable because there is always another, better player out there who we can give someone up to get (because there is always a better player out there). There is also the balancing act between weakening one part of the side in order to strengthen another that needs to be considered.

Sidebottom would improve our side because he is a better forward/midfielder than probably 5 of our best 22 who, based on roles played, he would be in direct competition with. The thing is that he doesn't provide a skill that rounds out what our side/list isn't capable of. Melksham's development in the last 6 weeks has been excellent so much so that if he continues down this path for the rest of the season there wouldn't be that much of a gap between him and Sidebottom. Merrett appears to be rapidly maturing as a smart half forwad/wingman and he has more pace.

There is then the matter of whether we can truly afford to mess with strengths we have which should be what provides us with the sort of competitive advantage that set us apart from other sides to help us win flags. Before I'd bother with messing with key position stocks which barely cover what I think should be on the ground each week (I am seriously of the view that once Fletcher retires and once the games of Pears and Crameri are rounded out every one of these supposedly expendable talls considered trade-able are actually totally required best 22 players) we'd need to be a chance of getting a player that would change the dynamic of the side. This means one of those freak midfielders, all of whom are either the best players in the competition or will be, with the speed and power to dominate clearances like Dangerfield, Griffen, O'Meara, Ablett or whoever else you think fits that category.

The reality is that the second round pick we could get for Gumby is not going to provide us with what we need to get the midfielder we want. It certainly isn't worth it for a goal sneak. Much the same goes for Pears. Short of a huge fallout over selection I don't see how we could consider trading one of our two rucks either.

I go as far as saying that the cost involved in bringing in the player we need basically cannot be justified which is why I'd have no interest in trade week. I see free agency completely differently on the assumption that the signing of guns is cleared with the players and the accountants.