List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[LukeParkerno1]

My wife worked at Melbourne until recently, interestingly she reckons Colin Sylvia was a really good bloke - best player at the club for any sort of community type activity and great at engaging with non-footy department employees and supporters.

Explains why he's lasted so long at Melbourne - a few isolated incidents but not the deep seated character flaws that I think most of us envisaged. And potentially nothing that being in a better culture wouldn't fix ( and despite everything I think we have a pretty good culture amongst our playing group).

I reckon we should be interested....would add dynamism and flair to our midfield.....at his best he has the sort of inside/outside game we are screaming out for... and can be very dangerous resting forward. Take away the character questions and he's exactly the sort of player we need.

Actually wouldn't say no to Sylvia, the issue is consistency and he has always played better when Melbourne was up and about. Wouldn't cop a tag at Essendon as well. I am leaning towards trying to get Dal Santo though- and yes I dismissed this a month ago...but things have changed.

 

[bombermick]

I hadn't seen this before my post but these are my thoughts exactly

It won't hurt our list next year, but the penalties will hurt a lot in 4-5 years if we won't draft/trade very smartly. It makes me want Garlett badly ...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Even if they take Boyd?

Sigh. A guy can dream can't he. Haha.

Yes even if they take Boyd lol! The Hawks seem to manage fine with a top heavy forward line. It is always good to have more elite KPF than not enough.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It won't hurt our list next year, but the penalties will hurt a lot in 4-5 years if we won't draft/trade very smartly. It makes me want Garlett badly ...

Don't remind me about Garlett he could have been playing this season...but no he had 'issues'...well this worked out well, has gone royally badly since that decision for us!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Zero chance, KPF, showed signs before he did his knee. Cameron can play both ends anyway.

You don't take your Rolls Royce to a demolition derby.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You don't take your Rolls Royce to a demolition derby.

I am saying he can- and the fact is that you can fit all these players in...unlike our forward line...these players are forwards!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I am saying he can- and the fact is that you can fit all these players in...unlike our forward line...these players are forwards!

I'm sure Gary Ablett would be a great tagger as well. The fact is, Jeremy Cameron is a better forward than anyone he'd beat in the backline.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm sure Gary Ablett would be a great tagger as well. The fact is, Jeremy Cameron is a better forward than anyone he'd beat in the backline.

Might be the case, and you might see Patton playing as a 3rd tall and that is a scary prospect. Boyd will be the number 1 forward.

 

[ollieemcdowall]

Really hope we can trade into the 1st round of the draft and pick up nathan freeman. Would slot nicely into our midfield

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Really hope we can trade into the 1st round of the draft and pick up nathan freeman. Would slot nicely into our midfield

Unlikely unless Crameri or TBell want to leave. Even then, don't know what we can get for them.

 

[Zach Package]

my list of potential diamonds to be found in the rough that is the 3rd round onwards, my knowledge of non victorians basically extends to the champs for what my opinion is worth btw:

Tipungwuti: Hopefully he's our little secret. Committed to his footy so no Garlett issues, absurdly skilled, and fills a need, needs work, make no mistake, but undeniably talented.
Zac Merrett: brother of, similar sort of player, makes good decisions and has good skills, would be pretty happy with him to be honest, and not just because he's jacko's brother. Seems a pretty 'essendon' selection if that makes any sense.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: Speedy small forward from the chargers. as a crumber i'd have him only behind Tippa and Garlett, not exactly versatile like garlett, but you get what you pay for really.
Sam Heavyside: Jarryd Blair esque small mid, undrafted last year (injury effected), has come back and monstered it at times for bendigo, he's small, but he's the kind of kid that you'll grow to love quickly if we take him.
Louis Herbert: another overager, medium forward/winger much like a shorter karnezis, bit of the Steinberg's about him as he was known as that kind of mercurial marking forward but has gone further up the ground this year. Again fills a need, can mark overhead, but could play as a small easily.
Jarrod Impey: I've only seen this kid once when I was trying to keep an eye on Neagle, but this kid is blindingly fast. Only little, but pretty good by foot, and likes to break lines much like our own dalgleish.
Michael Apeness: Big, Big unit who i think could hold his own in the ruck next year if needed as a 19 year old. Mauling type ruck like Mumford/Maric. Not a forward like belch, but i've seen him take a grab or two.
Luke Reynolds: South Aussie who seems like a natural forward flanker, someone who isn't just a midfielder forced out onto a flank. Ripping left foot, long and accurate like Myers, also apparently loathes to use his right, like Myers. as a Monfries type, he's our guy IMO if he's there.
Ben Duscher: It's not too late, maturing like a fine wine this bloke is. Like Sam Dwyer, could come in and play as a rotational forward/mid right away. foot skills aren't brilliant, but it's not a deficiency either. a natural ball winner, leader and can kick a goal or 5 on his day, he should already be on an AFL list IMO.
Toby Nankervis: big guy like Apeness, more mobile around the ground, if Apeness is Mumford, Nankervis is like a luenberger, better around the ground, can do bits and pieces as a forward. Decent enough project, a lot to work with and has only really started to scratch the surface really.
Josh Scipione: started the year like a house on fire, has cooled somewhat but i still like him. 20 year old (i think) small forward/mid (mostly forward) who just always seems to be in the right spot. Very good finisher and someone who could play AFL next season.
Zac O'Brien: The amazing ZOB, hopefully he brings his act to the seniors next year. Come from nowhere to ascend to some level of cult status amongst VFL watchers recently, and someone who will be on our radar. Is a see ball-get ball guy, no frills, but works hard, tackles hard and is a bottom of the pack sort of guy. a senior list spot beckons imo.
Dwayne Wilson: indigenous silky speed merchant from SA via WA (possibly vice versa). Skills great, agility, vision and awareness great, teach him to run hard defensively and win some of his own ball and you have a serious player on your hands. easier said than done of course.
Cam Conlon: Forward/ruck who has dropped off the face of the planet due to injury, Cal Twomey once had him in his top 10 for this year many moons ago, but hasn't had the chance to show it.
If he's still there getting towards the back end of the draft you HAVE to look closely IMO.

Bonus round: Guys you look at if we gain a pick inside the top 20:
Matt Crouch: Brother of, similar player, contested ball machine with limited outside game, but could play next year and hold his own inside.
Ben Lennon: Long kicking flanker/winger who is a bit of a bits and pieces guy, but a fair bit to work with and could play anywhere really.
Dom Sheed: Rolls Royce, Silky smooth midfielder, you get Simon Black comparisons, you get my very close attention. Makes the game slow down around him like Heppell or Pendles, not ultra quick, but smart as hell.
Luke Dunstan: Inside midfielder, bit vanilla but will end up a very solid citizen of a footballer like a Jordan Lewis or a Brad Sewell imo.
Nathan Freeman: Bigfooty hype prospect. Fast, explosive inside midfielder from sandy, cue Judd comparisons. I'm not sold yet but the potential is there.

 

[lenny2013]

Heard a snippet on AFL 360 last night and robbo was saying without our 1st and 2nd round draft picks we might not be able to secure our father sons this year.

What sort of picks will Thompson & Neagle warrant?
Then there's 4x 17 year olds next year?

2014 Father sons
Clothier
Vander haar
Daniher
Long

Exciting times ahead!

 

[Prog Rocker]

Guys sorry if its been posted before but considering the EFC will finish 9th,what would be our Picks be in Round 3 and 4...Cheers

 

[Drummer_19]

Can't say I've paid a ton of attention to him this year but what about Daniel Cross for a year or two, havn't seen much talk about him so prob safe to assume he's declined a ton?

 

[lenny2013]

Guys sorry if its been posted before but considering the EFC will finish 9th,what would be our Picks be in Round 3 and 4...Cheers

Not sure of the technicalities whether our 1st/2nd round picks are passed or whether we are not included altogether in the first two rounds, but our rounds 3,4,5 should be approximately picks 46,64,82

Not sure how the PSD works?
Do we get pick 9?

 

[eth-dog]

Heard a snippet on AFL 360 last night and robbo was saying without our 1st and 2nd round draft picks we might not be able to secure our father sons this year.

What sort of picks will Thompson & Neagle warrant?
Then there's 4x 17 year olds next year?

2014 Father sons
Clothier
Vander haar
Daniher
Long

Exciting times ahead!

We can still pick them with our 3rd round pick. Say, they bid on them with a 2nd round pick we use our next available pick. Robbo's wrong. (See the bulldogs with the Wallis/Libba jr situation).

 

[emblurr]

This needs to be confirmed by the AFL.

 

[yodellinhank]

Can't say I've paid a ton of attention to him this year but what about Daniel Cross for a year or two, havn't seen much talk about him so prob safe to assume he's declined a ton?

Came on to ask the same question. Word during the year was that McCartney didn't like the balance of the side with both Boyd and Cross in it. Was happy just to play one of the two. Might still have something to give a side that is happy to play a 30yo. Given we'll be taking late picks if we move many on...

 

[Draft Bored]

We can still pick them with our 3rd round pick. Say, they bid on them with a 2nd round pick we use our next available pick. Robbo's wrong. (See the bulldogs with the Wallis/Libba jr situation).

Not sure if it's been posted yet but I was debating this in here the other day. Seems to be two sources now agreeing with me. Not sure I agree with myself anymore after reading the rules though! I'm starting to think the third round pick may be correct so it's very odd for the AFL to say "it would severely restrict the Bombers' future father-son options."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...in-2013-and-2014/story-fngeflq8-1226706093372

 

[carnthedons]

Not sure if it's been posted yet but I was debating this in here the other day. Seems to be two sources now agreeing with me. Not sure I agree with myself anymore after reading the rules though! I'm starting to think the third round pick may be correct so it's very odd for the AFL to say "it would severely restrict the Bombers' future father-son options."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...in-2013-and-2014/story-fngeflq8-1226706093372

The question I would ask is what if a club who finishes the season above us on the ladder bids a 2nd round pick (Hawthorn for instance). In any case our pick after that would be the 3rd round pick so we should be able to use that no?

 

[yodellinhank]

Not sure if it's been posted yet but I was debating this in here the other day. Seems to be two sources now agreeing with me. Not sure I agree with myself anymore after reading the rules though! I'm starting to think the third round pick may be correct so it's very odd for the AFL to say "it would severely restrict the Bombers' future father-son options."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...in-2013-and-2014/story-fngeflq8-1226706093372

There is probably a technicality preventing it. If you look at Adelaide's draft last year, the picks exist but are forfeited. (Unlike us in 1999 when the picks do not count) Now that may be because it was a volunteer punishment at that stage, however were the AFL to do that to us, it could read that Team A bids pick X, and Essendon's next pick is Y (forfeited) so can not be bid...

Still after the grief we've copped off other team posters this year I'm all for posters stirring the pot and claiming Jydon is worth a first and we have won over the AFL yet again etc etc until the matter is cleared up. But if I was a gambling man, I'd say F/S is limited.

 

[Draft Bored]

There is probably a technicality preventing it. If you look at Adelaide's draft last year, the picks exist but are forfeited. (Unlike us in 1999 when the picks do not count) Now that may be because it was a volunteer punishment at that stage, however were the AFL to do that to us, it could read that Team A bids pick X, and Essendon's next pick is Y (forfeited) so can not be bid...

Still after the grief we've copped off other team posters this year I'm all for posters stirring the pot and claiming Jydon is worth a first and we have won over the AFL yet again etc etc until the matter is cleared up. But if I was a gambling man, I'd say F/S is limited.

That makes sense though. Say team X forfeits the first 4 rounds and can still use a fifth round pick to grab a round 1 selection really doesn't penalise that team. I think this all but confirms that the end of round 1 pick was negotiated by Essendon for a father son pick. I will be astounded if they don't use it on one.

 

[lenny2013]

We can still pick them with our 3rd round pick. Say, they bid on them with a 2nd round pick we use our next available pick. Robbo's wrong. (See the bulldogs with the Wallis/Libba jr situation).

According to this article we are out of the running for high end father son for the next two years.

Our 2014 pick 19 can't be used for a father son, and if we trade into rounds 1/2 for 2013/14 they can't be used for father son selections.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...in-2013-and-2014/story-fngexzp4-1226706093372

 

[Zach Package]

doesn't make much sense though, the rules are that you have to pay your next available live pick (not one thats been traded in, and not a compo selection)

So if someone bids a first or second rounder, in theory we should still be able to match it under the AFL's own rules.

 

[efcboy]

The penalty sheet mentioned nothing about f/son selections...it did in Adelaide's case but not what I saw Tue night...

Overall I'm against wholesale changes unless a player requests to leave. This whole saga brought the players together and they want success next year.

Bellchambers - sign him up he's too valuable too lose.

Gumbleton - wouldn't mind him staying as I believe his current trade value is lower than his potential output. Could consider trading him with one of our picks to get back into 1st or 2nd round.

Jetta - trade him. Take best offer or delist.

Crameri - sign him. Gives 100% for EFC.

Pears - with Fletcher in his last season I'd rather retain Pears. His trade value is lower than his potential output in coming years for mine.

Hille - retires

Steinberg - delist

Hooker - had a career best season so his trade value is high. If could do a deal that could see attaining a pick early enough to recruit Dom Sheed I'd do it. Hurley can always go back and Sean Gregory is developing.

Davis - delist

Colyer - happy to keep him but if right deal came up or wanted to leave to go home I'd trade him to upgrade our picks into earlier rounds.

Lovett-Murray - retiring

Dell'Olio - delist

So in summary I'd foresee 6-8 changes. Hille departs from veteran list. No-one is eligible to replace him so we have an additional rookie spot. 2 rookies are delisted giving us 3 rookie selections to add to the retained Dalgleish and Hunter.

In the national draft I'd be looking at 4 selections taking all this into account. Given both EFC and Adelaide are out of the first 2 rounds of draft this gives us the following picks:

41, 59, 77, 95.