List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[efcboy]

I'd start by working with pick 41 and looking to upgrade that.

First deal - Jetta. See if any interest and if so try and upgrade pick 41 to a pick from 30-35.

Second deal - Gumbleton. Trade him and the newly acquired late 2nd round pick to get back into 1st round.

If we could get a pick early enough to obtain Dom Sheed I'd be rapt.

 

[efcboy]

We can still pick them with our 3rd round pick. Say, they bid on them with a 2nd round pick we use our next available pick. Robbo's wrong. (See the bulldogs with the Wallis/Libba jr situation).

Yeah I don't think any of the current father son possibilities are good enough to warrant a club bidding 1st round or early second round picks on them. Keeping in mind only 16 teams this year can bid in first 2 rounds given Adelaide also out I'd be surprised if any club bidded higher than pick 27 for Jydon Neagle this year as they would be forced to take him.

Harvey Daniher (great name) currently only 15 looks the most talented but luckily he won't be eligible for draft until after sanctions served.

 

[eth-dog]

The penalty sheet mentioned nothing about f/son selections...it did in Adelaide's case but not what I saw Tue night...

Overall I'm against wholesale changes unless a player requests to leave. This whole saga brought the players together and they want success next year.

Bellchambers - sign him up he's too valuable too lose.

Gumbleton - wouldn't mind him staying as I believe his current trade value is lower than his potential output. Could consider trading him with one of our picks to get back into 1st or 2nd round.

Jetta - trade him. Take best offer or delist.

Crameri - sign him. Gives 100% for EFC.

Pears - with Fletcher in his last season I'd rather retain Pears. His trade value is lower than his potential output in coming years for mine.

Hille - retires

Steinberg - delist

Hooker - had a career best season so his trade value is high. If could do a deal that could see attaining a pick early enough to recruit Dom Sheed I'd do it. Hurley can always go back and Sean Gregory is developing.

Davis - delist

Colyer - happy to keep him but if right deal came up or wanted to leave to go home I'd trade him to upgrade our picks into earlier rounds.

Lovett-Murray - retiring

Dell'Olio - delist

So in summary I'd foresee 6-8 changes. Hille departs from veteran list. No-one is eligible to replace him so we have an additional rookie spot. 2 rookies are delisted giving us 3 rookie selections to add to the retained Dalgleish and Hunter.

In the national draft I'd be looking at 4 selections taking all this into account. Given both EFC and Adelaide are out of the first 2 rounds of draft this gives us the following picks:

41, 59, 77, 95.

So you would trade Hooker when he will be top 10 in the B+F, has rejected trades away from the club in the past 2 years, delist Steinberg who from all reports has improved significantly and is worth another year on the RL, yet keep Pears who's played 1 good game since 09?

 

[bombermick]

Yeah I don't think any of the current father son possibilities are good enough to warrant a club bidding 1st round or early second round picks on them. Keeping in mind only 16 teams this year can bid in first 2 rounds given Adelaide also out I'd be surprised if any club bidded higher than pick 27 for Jydon Neagle this year as they would be forced to take him.

Harvey Daniher (great name) currently only 15 looks the most talented but luckily he won't be eligible for draft until after sanctions served.

Is Harvey another of Anthony's sons? The HS article was glowing in its praise of young Wallis; anyone know much about him? Missing out on early F/S probably won't matter, it's not getting one of the top kids this year that will.

 

[ollieemcdowall]

Luke Reynolds: South Aussie who seems like a natural forward flanker, someone who isn't just a midfielder forced out onto a flank. Ripping left foot, long and accurate like Myers, also apparently loathes to use his right, like Myers. as a Monfries type, he's our guy IMO if he's there.

I'm mates with Luke and he honestly has one of the best kicks I've seen, absolute bullets for passes. Spent all his juniors as a key forward but as he has stopped growing has had to change positions. Got tried as a half back/wingman last year but just doesn't have the work-rate or accountability yet. As you said, almost the perfect monfries replacement and also has a ripping set of hands

 

[Shane Mead]

41, 59, 77, 95. These are our picks?

I would start by offering Gumbelton, Jetta and pick 59 to GWS for their second pick and Nathan Wilson (small defender/mid who is quick and can break the lines).

Before doing that deal, I would offer to forward the GWS pick and Dellelio to St Kilda and get Montagna. He is the same age as Jobe and can fill that void in the half forward position. The trend in the game is to have midfielders play that position to push hard up and down the ground. We need to find players who use the ball well, it should be a priority.

I am on record saying we need to take a more Americanized approach and view the players and draft picks as assets and try to get someone who is an A grade player that is in our premiership window.

If we can't get him I think we need to go after Yarran in the same way. Get a pick from GWS to use for a top line guy, and try to get another young player from GWS who has been in the system. I know people want to look at toughness and shit like that, but we have plenty of those guys. Kommer provides enough of that in the forward line.

I've switched on moving Bellchambers because Daniher needs another year in and out of the side and Bellchambers is in our window. If Daniher bulks up quickly and gets his kicking right, we can move Bellchambers next off season.

 

[Zach Package]

I'm mates with Luke and he honestly has one of the best kicks I've seen, absolute bullets for passes. Spent all his juniors as a key forward but as he has stopped growing has had to change positions. Got tried as a half back/wingman last year but just doesn't have the work-rate or accountability yet. As you said, almost the perfect monfries replacement and also has a ripping set of hands

Nice, he is a ripper kick as you said. Despite SA having a star studded line up, him hitting people 60 metres away on the chest really made him stand out to me. Despite them having Scharenberg, Aish, Hourigan et al, and the fact that I was actually attempting to keep an eye on Neagle.

He's on my shortlist for our 3rd round selection, would be a perfect understudy to somebody like Winderlich, and eventually take over after licha moves on

 

[Shane Mead]

Correct me if I am wrong but if we don't nominate a f/son, then those players are just fair game right?

Are any of these kids in the top 40 this year?

 

[Zach Package]

Correct me if I am wrong but if we don't nominate a f/son, then those players are just fair game right?

Are any of these kids in the top 40 this year?

Not this year. Neagle isn't a monty to get drafted.

Next year becomes slightly more problematic, but it's not even on the official charge sheet, so I don't know how it will play out. We'll probably just tell Jake Long to sandbag for the whole year.

surely all of this means we take Jed Clothier as a rookie at the very least. Obviously having another player on your list costs money, but it's a free whack and would operate outside the normal list numbers.

 

[efcboy]

So you would trade Hooker when he will be top 10 in the B+F, has rejected trades away from the club in the past 2 years, delist Steinberg who from all reports has improved significantly and is worth another year on the RL, yet keep Pears who's played 1 good game since 09?

Yeah I'm looking from a shares angle - sell why the value is high and retain whilst the value is low. And when speaking on the high value angle - I'm not confident that Hooker could perform to the level he has this year in seasons to come. Just my opinion trying to be proactive rather than reactive.

Hooker's value is at an all time high - I think he may be top 5 B&F but if the right deal is on the table that will improve the team then yes I would do it.

Pears injuries prevented him from doing much in recent years and his second half to this season was quite promising. His trade value is low so I think retaining him is the better option. And he has played several good matches at AFL level this season.

Steinberg was recruited to be a Stevie J half-forward/mid type at the time and has failed to deliver on that. They've tried him as a defender this year and he's been ok but I would think he is worse at the role than Tyson Slattery who was delisted despite even better VFL form. I don't see a role for Steinberg at AFL level - he ain't big enough to be a KD and he doesn't have the endurance or pace/skills to be a decent flanker either. Hence why he hasn't been given a game.

 

[efcboy]

Is Harvey another of Anthony's sons? The HS article was glowing in its praise of young Wallis; anyone know much about him? Missing out on early F/S probably won't matter, it's not getting one of the top kids this year that will.

James Hird academy update April 2013:

http://m.essendonfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/Essendon/Club HQ/JHA Newsletter Issue 6.pdf

 

[JR95]

The only kids out of that patch that we might get challenged for are:

- Harvey Daniher
- Tom Wallis
- Jake Long
- Matthew Neagle

The rest will be available at whatever pick we wish.

None of those guys(bar maybe Tom) would attract first round draft picks. The only types of players who would attract those types of bids (in the first round) from rival clubs are those of the Joe Daniher variety who would be in the top 10 of the draft if not for F/S bidding.

Most clubs will let players who are father sons go to the respective clubs they are eligble for.

 

[efcboy]

41, 59, 77, 95. These are our picks?

I would start by offering Gumbelton, Jetta and pick 59 to GWS for their second pick and Nathan Wilson (small defender/mid who is quick and can break the lines).

Before doing that deal, I would offer to forward the GWS pick and Dellelio to St Kilda and get Montagna. He is the same age as Jobe and can fill that void in the half forward position. The trend in the game is to have midfielders play that position to push hard up and down the ground. We need to find players who use the ball well, it should be a priority.

I am on record saying we need to take a more Americanized approach and view the players and draft picks as assets and try to get someone who is an A grade player that is in our premiership window.

If we can't get him I think we need to go after Yarran in the same way. Get a pick from GWS to use for a top line guy, and try to get another young player from GWS who has been in the system. I know people want to look at toughness and shit like that, but we have plenty of those guys. Kommer provides enough of that in the forward line.

I've switched on moving Bellchambers because Daniher needs another year in and out of the side and Bellchambers is in our window. If Daniher bulks up quickly and gets his kicking right, we can move Bellchambers next off season.

Effectively those will be our picks depending on compensation pick for Melbourne currently being investigated by ASAGA...in print for example our first pick may be listed as 45 but in reality with EFC and AFC both losing 2 picks each you take away those combined 4 picks.

 

[Zach Package]

Pretty decent point.

I can't recall a sort of mid range prospect being bid on by any other clubs.
There are really good ones like Joe or Viney or Libba and Wallis, but Dylan Buckley, Jeb Bews, Jacob Brennan, basically slip the net.

Lachie Hunter is one that went 3rd round, but I don't think anyone bid on him, that was just when the dogs' last live pick was.

 

[efcboy]

The only kids out of that patch that we might get challenged for are:

- Harvey Daniher
- Tom Wallis
- Jake Long
- Matthew Neagle

The rest will be available at whatever pick we wish.

None of those guys(bar maybe Tom) would attract first round draft picks. The only types of players who would attract those types of bids (in the first round) from rival clubs are those of the Joe Daniher variety who would be in the top 10 of the draft if not for F/S bidding.

Most clubs will let players who are father sons go to the respective clubs they are eligble for.

Given its only for this draft and next years then the only potential f/son players affected are:

Daniel Thompson - not good enough to go that early anyway.

Jydon Neagle - performed well for NSW. Given the situation I expect other clubs will let him go as he is desperate to play for EFC following his fathers death. There is still some sentiment in footy surely.

Callum Daniher next year

Jake Long next year

Todd Van Der Haar next year.

The others are all too young I think to be taken next year.

 

[BrunoV]

On the topic of our father-son recruits, anyone got an update on Tom Fields?

Nice size and great kick. I reckon this is the sort of player we should be trying to develop.

 

[JR95]

The best of them all are Jake Long and Tom Wallis. The rest are no guarentee to be drafted at all if not for F/S.

Bit of a storm in a tea cup and another media beat up at present. Jake is the only one in real danger and is not a certain first rounder at this stage. May be told just to have an easy season next year or get a case of OP.

I wouldn't be too worried guys.

 

[cAsEy_18]

Could barely tell you anything about any of them, but Long's the only genuine player I've heard talked up a bit yeah? Even Neagle is border-line to be picked up (aka - Wouldn't have needed our 1st or 2nd pick anyway)

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Pretty decent point.

I can't recall a sort of mid range prospect being bid on by any other clubs.
There are really good ones like Joe or Viney or Libba and Wallis, but Dylan Buckley, Jeb Bews, Jacob Brennan, basically slip the net.

Lachie Hunter is one that went 3rd round, but I don't think anyone bid on him, that was just when the dogs' last live pick was.

I've heard that there's some kind of "gentlemens agreement" between clubs that you don't bid anything later than a second rounder for somebody else's father son. So if they're a gun it's game on, otherwise you just let the club take him late.

Could be bullshit, who knows.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Whatever happened to Jydon Neagle?

 

[Kaiser Powser]

James Hird academy update April 2013:

http://m.essendonfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/Essendon/Club HQ/JHA Newsletter Issue 6.pdf

Holy shit. Tex Wanganeen!

That is awesome.

We may as well start the bidding war with Port now.

 

[JR95]

Holy shit. Tex Wanganeen!

That is awesome.

We may as well start the bidding war with Port now.

I'd say that if he was already in the James Hird Academy, then we have won half the battle.

 

[Zach Package]

yep, Wanga is based in melbourne now, runs a gym in mooney ponds i think, might be keilor or somewhere around there

 

[Igloo]

Pretty decent point.

I can't recall a sort of mid range prospect being bid on by any other clubs.
There are really good ones like Joe or Viney or Libba and Wallis, but Dylan Buckley, Jeb Bews, Jacob Brennan, basically slip the net.

Lachie Hunter is one that went 3rd round, but I don't think anyone bid on him, that was just when the dogs' last live pick was.

Nah, North bid pick 35 on Hunter, so we had to use our next pick, which was 49. Our last pick before rookie upgrades was in the 80's, but we passed.

If the AFL has labelled your first round pick next year as a "compensation pick", I don't see how it could be used for F/S, unless they change the rules. Could end up with a bargain.

 

[Shane Mead]

Any word on how Dayle Gartlett did this off-season? We should certainly get him with our first pick if available. Davey is not getting any younger...need to take a shot at this kid.