Please RTB go back to the future

[Okinakashi]

Bev won the flag using his system. A system that had only worked this year in the past two decades. Doesnt mean you have to change things up. You went SF, GF, SF and PF (and minor premier) using your system, with a team that no offense had a crud bottom 5 of your top 22 (yes I know our bottom 5 is worse so dont point it out pls). Why change?

Oh dear. I actually agree with you (mostly - some change is a good thing)

We probably still can't beat the hawks with the way our 2 game plans compare.

E shed. I agree with almost everything you said. Except the last bit. Have a look at the Prelim in 15. We absolutely outplayed the hawks. We had the kicking backwards and sideways and the bombing long to a contest. We completely had their measure and our gameplan was solid. We lost fyfe early and the Hawks kicked with almost unheard of accuracy - while Griff and Mayney missed sitters.

Under RTB we've come within 2 and a bit , kicks of a flag and failed in a prelim when Fyfey snapped a leg.

I think we threw the baby out with the bathwater to a certain extent this year. Combined with injuries to our most important 3 or 4 players, gave us the result we had.

I hope Ross learns that some of his experiments this year failed and we do go back to the future in 2017 (albiet with a slant toward younger, more skillful players).

Whatever happens, here's to a good 2017.

 

[meima]

Oh dear. I actually agree with you (mostly - some change is a good thing)



E shed. I agree with almost everything you said. Except the last bit. Have a look at the Prelim in 15. We absolutely outplayed the hawks. We had the kicking backwards and sideways and the bombing long to a contest. We completely had their measure and our gameplan was solid. We lost fyfe early and the Hawks kicked with almost unheard of accuracy - while Griff and Mayney missed sitters.

Under RTB we've come within 2 and a bit , kicks of a flag and failed in a prelim when Fyfey snapped a leg.

I think we threw the baby out with the bathwater to a certain extent this year. Combined with injuries to our most important 3 or 4 players, gave us the result we had.

I hope Ross learns that some of his experiments this year failed and we do go back to the future in 2017 (albiet with a slant toward younger, more skillful players).

Whatever happens, here's to a good 2017.

I disagree , like i said compare to 2016 , the previous year all involved sub rule where one player only came in at 4 quater most of the time.

 

[johnnomac]

I disagree , like i said compare to 2016 , the previous year all involved sub rule where one player only came in at 4 quater most of the time.

The three players that we used the most (going in) were;
De Boer on 8 occassions
Crozier on 4 occassions, and


Suban on 4 occassions. Now I understand your point!

 

[Talking Dockers]

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What of these thought of if sandi and johnson stay fits? Just managed their workload in afl game , they only there in 2017 is to guide the kids to smooth rebuild transition . The less freo depend on them the better next year .

Abbasolutely!!!! I can't see Johnson lasting more than first 5 Rds. Back and soft muscle injuries.

 

[Talking Dockers]

The Bulldogs didn't play Minson all season because he doesn't suit their gameplay. Minson dominated in the VFL where they won the flag so it wasn't because he was out of form.

Hawthorn came last this season for congestion possessions for about the fourth season in a row. So much for needing to win the hardball.

The future is attacking non-stop football. Ross Lyon needs to get his head around that. Subiaco is the perfect ground to play that style of football but we want to play in a shoe box. The players are worn out and sick of his antiquated game-plan.

The plus is that Lyon has plenty of time to fix things up.

The Bulldogs are very clean with hands in traffic & contested ball situations. If you watch dockers this yr it would take them 5-6 hand balls to try to clear it whereas doggies are out and on there way 1-3 handballs

 

[meima]

The Bulldogs are very clean with hands in traffic & contested ball situations. If you watch dockers this yr it would take them 5-6 hand balls to try to clear it whereas doggies are out and on there way 1-3 handballs

Freo handball to player under more pressure than them.

 

[malpaso]

Freo handball to player under more pressure than them.

Yes agree however it's a mix of bad decisions and lack of movement from the receivers, too many flat-footed players. Bulldogs players are on the move (all of them) and they also handball or knock the ball to space or where they think a team mate will be. It's very Hawks style football, 'flash' possessions..

 

[Lach72]

Yes agree however it's a mix of bad decisions and lack of movement from the receivers, too many flat-footed players. Bulldogs players are on the move (all of them) and they also handball or knock the ball to space or where they think a team mate will be. It's very Hawks style fForumsootball, 'flash' possessions..

Gee I wonder where we could get a player who would help with that from?

 

[ChimpaWompa]

If we are to catch the competition we can't continue to think in terms of "handballs" anymore, throwing is the future.

 

[Scham]

If we are to catch the competition we can't continue to think in terms of "handballs" anymore, throwing is the future.

How was that tunnelball throw yesterday...lol

 

[freo_leo29]

Gee I wonder where we could get a player who would help with that from?

off our injury list maybe? Bennell now that is sorted we won't need to trade anyone in!

 

[meima]

Will be happy freo play like how peel play in first quater of GF . Keep moving the ball forward at every opportunity , still remember how deboer ditch off handball to langdon. Pure class for both players.

 

[Bicco]

The Bulldogs didn't play Minson all season because he doesn't suit their gameplay. Minson dominated in the VFL where they won the flag so it wasn't because he was out of form.

Hawthorn came last this season for congestion possessions for about the fourth season in a row. So much for needing to win the hardball.

The future is attacking non-stop football. Ross Lyon needs to get his head around that. Subiaco is the perfect ground to play that style of football but we want to play in a shoe box. The players are worn out and sick of his antiquated game-plan.

The plus is that Lyon has plenty of time to fix things up.

I think we need to understand that 'now' is attacking football. Like two years ago it precision kicking (Hawks). If we try to copy we'll be chasing our tails. It's about coming up with what's next. Ross developed a tactic that was pretty good with the Saints and us. I'll back him to do it again. He needs to do a bit better than this year though!

 

[Kunna17]

I love the way the dogs isolate their midfielders as the deepest forwards.
Large amount of players rotate through, particularly Bontempelli and Duncan.
I think if we can do that with Bennell and Fyfe it'll be lethal.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Oh i thought you meant Chris Bond

Depending on the poster, means the same thing.

 

[wehavethepassion]

Freo handball to player under more pressure than them.

Correct = Zac Dawson

 

[Freo Dr]

I think we need to understand that 'now' is attacking football. Like two years ago it precision kicking (Hawks). If we try to copy we'll be chasing our tails. It's about coming up with what's next. Ross developed a tactic that was pretty good with the Saints and us. I'll back him to do it again. He needs to do a bit better than this year though!

Yep. No point trying to be on the curve, have to be ahead of it. RTB will take it all in and look at where we need to be going. Fairly obvious though that rebound out of defence is a big issue.

 

[Bicco]

Yep. No point trying to be on the curve, have to be ahead of it. RTB will take it all in and look at where we need to be going. Fairly obvious though that rebound out of defence is a big issue.

And our forward structures also. Not being at the game it's hard to tell, but I always remember the Dogs having someone to kick to in their forwardline. Not a whole lot of doubling back like we do.

 

[Silent Alarm]

The big thing for me is the person Beveridge apparently is. Him giving his medal to Bob Murphy will end up a boring and tired old story but it showed some humanity. They also all talk about Bevo as being someone who 'gets' his players as humans – he knows how to handle different personalities. Ross Lyon's attitude towards his players is stuck in the 1970s and there's no aura around the Dockers like there is at the Bullies or was at the Hawks... those clubs had players and coaches who got on, who played for each other... I honestly never really saw that unity in Fremantle, as good as we were a few years back.

It's also weird to say they don't have a big forward line... Stringer isn't small, and although he doesn't take big marks in packs, he's still a big body and not a crumber. Plus Boyd came of age on the weekend and played an absolute corker. Freo ran out to a Grand Final with a 31, 32-year old Matthew Pavlich...

 

[wayToGo_]

Ross Lyon's attitude towards his players is stuck in the 1970s and there's no aura around the Dockers like there is at the Bullies or was at the Hawks...

Liked most of what your wrote but the above doesn't seem true from anyone looking more closely, especially with the indigenous players on our list. I think how RTB treats the media impacts how many perceive how he might treat the players but everything I've seen says the exact opposite. I think Ross respects hard workers, that try their best with whatever limitations/obstacles they have. Those obstacles could be physical/ability-based or could be life based (eg Bennell/Walters/Johnson) - Bennell is/was living with him at one stage. Even Neale achieving what he has coming from such a late draft pick, I think it's pretty obvious he's done that because he's worked his butt off and there is clear mutual respect with Ross.

I actually don't think there is a better AFL coach out there for indigenous players and that's why I am excited about us drafting more plus finally getting to see Bennell on the field and Yarran as starting B22 and with another AFL pre-season under his belt. Our future looks pretty exciting imo and I think Ross is the right coach to lead the ship given how our list is shaping up.

 

[Silent Alarm]

But that is all Lyon hangs his hat on – 'hard work.' This is why spuds like Suban get handed a jumper when they shouldn't... all of this stuff about working your way in and out, role players, it's not really the only thing that makes a good team. I feel like Lyon is very very narrow in his rewarding of players.

You talk about Aboriginal issues yet Lyon clearly had little time or empathy for Josh Simpson.

I think the weekend also showed the game has passed Lyon by. He feels so irrelevant in this new era of coaches: Beveridge, Cameron...

 

[wayToGo_]

You obviously haven't worked in the area before? You can lead them to water but you can't make them drink. They need to take some responsibility themselves otherwise what is the point? Help them help themselves is the only strategy that works with disadvantaged youth. Simpson was given multiple chances and did nothing about it, it was the right decision to delist him. Contrast that to our other players who have worked hard to get their lives and playing careers back on track.

The thing with playing role-players like Suban et al is we can all pretend we had better options but really we didn't. We played a bunch of youngsters this year and we dived from minor premiers to 3rd bottom. If our youngsters were guns like some at GWS and Sydney then perhaps they would have been fine to play over our role-players in those years but they weren't - except Neale who Ross saw potential and backed him in. It's far too easy to criticise but if we were sitting third bottom and not have reached a GF in '13 and finals in '14 and '15 we'd be a complete basket case now. Our youngsters just won the WAFL premiership, I think it's hard to argue that we haven't developed our youth at all.

But the proof will be how we perform next year. If we don't show improvement then Ross will get plenty of heat, but if we do the critics will quickly disappear once again under their bed sheets.

 

[Big Animal]

Watching that game felt like an inferior version of Freo in 2013, however they didnt shit their pants at the occasion and the umpires weren't conspiring against them.

They were also playing in Melbourne against Sydney who were the favourite and higher placed. We only lost that 2013 GF by 15 points due to some bad kicking in Melbourne. I wonder if it would have been the same result if it had been played in Perth? Just a thought.

 

[Talking Dockers]

Duffield in Today's WEST described the doggies great asset was their "ground level trench warfare" and they played "surge and scramble" football.
We have at ground level fyfe, mundy, neal, blakely& stevie not a bad quintet for "ground level trench warfare" with outside runners in Brad H, Langdon & Bennell(I'm hoping D.Pearce will be playing more Peel)

 

[malpaso]

The big thing for me is the person Beveridge apparently is. Him giving his medal to Bob Murphy will end up a boring and tired old story but it showed some humanity. They also all talk about Bevo as being someone who 'gets' his players as humans – he knows how to handle different personalities. Ross Lyon's attitude towards his players is stuck in the 1970s and there's no aura around the Dockers like there is at the Bullies or was at the Hawks... those clubs had players and coaches who got on, who played for each other... I honestly never really saw that unity in Fremantle, as good as we were a few years back.

You drink too much Kool Aid.

It's also weird to say they don't have a big forward line... Stringer isn't small, and although he doesn't take big marks in packs, he's still a big body and not a crumber. Plus Boyd came of age on the weekend and played an absolute corker. Freo ran out to a Grand Final with a 31, 32-year old Matthew Pavlich...

It's not weird, they don't have a big forward line.