Draft Expert PMBangers 2025 Draft Thread

[4tune8]

If he were to fall we’d want him but there’s very little chance of that

Is there a chance to trade up to 4 if he's still on the table?

 

[txbyhull]

Where/who would you compare blokes like Addinsall and Oudshoorn-Bennier draft range wise in last years draft? I feel like they’re both pretty solid and would love for the Eagles to find a way to get them should we take Duursma and CDT at the 1/2.

 

[PMBangers]

He sounds more like a Peter Wright tall forward/relief ruck.....how is his competitiveness / ticker ?
His 2km time trial was elite for a tall....so maybe could midfield like jackson or wing like Cox.

Any chance he falls to pick 5/6 and Essendon take him to pair with Caddy?

Not sure what gave that impression, but yeah there's a chance I guess

Where/who would you compare blokes like Addinsall and Oudshoorn-Bennier draft range wise in last years draft? I feel like they’re both pretty solid and would love for the Eagles to find a way to get them should we take Duursma and CDT at the 1/2.

Probably around the 3rd round

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Who's a high upside prospect that might still be available in the 40s due to rawness or injuries?

 

[jdstorm]

Is there a chance to trade up to 4 if he's still on the table?

Possibly it would be something similar to the Caddy Connor O Sullivan trade so pick 6 and a token later pick with an understanding that the player Richmond wants will be available.

Don’t think it’s likely though. Imagine Melbourne might make a bigger offer but that has its own complications.

 

[PMBangers]

Who's a high upside prospect that might still be available in the 40s due to rawness or injuries?

Holmes and Waller fit the bill, lucky you've got one of them tied to you!

 

[Keystone agony]

Who's a high upside prospect that might still be available in the 40s due to rawness or injuries?

Koby Evans i like going heavily under the radar imo

 

[Barrybran]

Koby Evans i like going heavily under the radar imo

Oi! Back off!

 

[txbyhull]

Bangers, very obviously the biggest knock on Sharp are to do with his translation to / future in the modern midfield game; athleticism, outside game + spread, kicking, etc.

Is there some truth to the idea that maybe that is all a little bit overblown?

The eagles thread right now is absolutely blowing up with Sharp discussion, and I can't help but feel that a lot of the knocks on him are rather arbitrary and based around the future of the game, and the list builds of successful teams, not him as a player. The idea you can get his type of player late in drafts, or that the inside pig isn't valuable anymore. Its a different story with a pick 2 compared to late teens, but Murph last year for example was the obvious 'footballer' pick rather than elite athlete and has only served to remind people of the value of a good footballer first.

 

[GWS Goose]

Bangers, very obviously the biggest knock on Sharp are to do with his translation to / future in the modern midfield game; athleticism, outside game + spread, kicking, etc.

Is there some truth to the idea that maybe that is all a little bit overblown?

The eagles thread right now is absolutely blowing up with Sharp discussion, and I can't help but feel that a lot of the knocks on him are rather arbitrary and based around the future of the game, and the list builds of successful teams, not him as a player. The idea you can get his type of player late in drafts, or that the inside pig isn't valuable anymore. Its a different story with a pick 2 compared to late teens, but Murph last year for example was the obvious 'footballer' pick rather than elite athlete and has only served to remind people of the value of a good footballer first.

I think Sharp is being a little undersold.

 

[Keystone agony]

Bangers, very obviously the biggest knock on Sharp are to do with his translation to / future in the modern midfield game; athleticism, outside game + spread, kicking, etc.

Is there some truth to the idea that maybe that is all a little bit overblown?

The eagles thread right now is absolutely blowing up with Sharp discussion, and I can't help but feel that a lot of the knocks on him are rather arbitrary and based around the future of the game, and the list builds of successful teams, not him as a player. The idea you can get his type of player late in drafts, or that the inside pig isn't valuable anymore. Its a different story with a pick 2 compared to late teens, but Murph last year for example was the obvious 'footballer' pick rather than elite athlete and has only served to remind people of the value of a good footballer first.

Murphy Reid actually has solid speed, but his kicking and finesse is completely beyond Sharp

I dont think eagle fans have to worry too much about Sharp, you aint taking him at 1,2 and doubt hes there at 13, would be a very small chance

 

[theGav56]

Murphy Reid actually has solid speed, but his kicking and finesse is completely beyond Sharp

I dont think eagle fans have to worry too much about Sharp, you aint taking him at 1,2 and doubt hes there at 13, would be a very small chance

WC are trying to co-erce Carlton into trading up by handing over their first 2 picks. That will put Sharp on the menu.

 

[txbyhull]

Murphy Reid actually has solid speed, but his kicking and finesse is completely beyond Sharp

Clearly. I only used the comparison in terms of them being labelled as non-plus athletes when that’s actually pretty disingenuous, as well as the fact they’re both clearly natural footballers from an IQ, reading the game, in the contest lens.

I dont think eagle fans have to worry too much about Sharp, you aint taking him at 1,2 and doubt hes there at 13, would be a very small chance

My point being that we should be considering him with 2, or doing all we can to make sure our third pick is in his range.

 

[PMBangers]

Bangers, very obviously the biggest knock on Sharp are to do with his translation to / future in the modern midfield game; athleticism, outside game + spread, kicking, etc.

Is there some truth to the idea that maybe that is all a little bit overblown?

The eagles thread right now is absolutely blowing up with Sharp discussion, and I can't help but feel that a lot of the knocks on him are rather arbitrary and based around the future of the game, and the list builds of successful teams, not him as a player. The idea you can get his type of player late in drafts, or that the inside pig isn't valuable anymore. Its a different story with a pick 2 compared to late teens, but Murph last year for example was the obvious 'footballer' pick rather than elite athlete and has only served to remind people of the value of a good footballer first.

The Reid comparison doesn't stack up because his disposal quality was/ is first class so can transfer across multiple roles, whereas Sharp's weapons all revolve around being around the footy as an inside mid.

I don't agree that the knocks on him are based on where the game is going, i think they're based on where the game is, the best midfielders nowadays are guys that use the ball well, accumulate and hit the scoreboard in open play, so even without the athletic concerns I'd argue Sharp is up against it to become a top tier player. There's obviously a place for his style of midfielder still in today's game, but its certainly less in demand and can be pretty easily filled through other means for cheaper than a first round draft pick (i.e. Ned Long)

Even looking at the delistings this year, and it's obviously not like for like, but most of the guys under 23 that weren't offered contracts were guys that weren't efficient ball users and/or lack athleticism, you need to be one of the best 25ish guys in the country at that role to have a long career at the top level now.

So no, I don't think its overblown to question whether he translates given where the games at currently

 

[jdstorm]

Bangers, very obviously the biggest knock on Sharp are to do with his translation to / future in the modern midfield game; athleticism, outside game + spread, kicking, etc.

Is there some truth to the idea that maybe that is all a little bit overblown?

The eagles thread right now is absolutely blowing up with Sharp discussion, and I can't help but feel that a lot of the knocks on him are rather arbitrary and based around the future of the game, and the list builds of successful teams, not him as a player. The idea you can get his type of player late in drafts, or that the inside pig isn't valuable anymore. Its a different story with a pick 2 compared to late teens, but Murph last year for example was the obvious 'footballer' pick rather than elite athlete and has only served to remind people of the value of a good footballer first.

High contested possesion types are as valuable as ever. It’s just the AFLs skill floor has risen.

The guys the game is moving beyond are attacking players who can’t kick.

 

[Keystone agony]

WC are trying to co-erce Carlton into trading up by handing over their first 2 picks. That will put Sharp on the menu.

They wont be able too afford the bids if they do that

 

[txbyhull]

They wont be able too afford the bids if they do that

9 for 13 and 34 is pretty equal points wise?

 

[Keystone agony]

9 for 13 and 34 is pretty equal points wise?

He said handing over their first 2 picks (9 and 11)

They may aswell keep 9 if its for similar points

 

[txbyhull]

He said handing over their first 2 picks (9 and 11)

They may aswell keep 9 if its for similar points

Unless Carlton are in love with CDT @ 2 there’s no reason we’d be shooting for both. Would just be looking to upgrade 13 into Sharp’s range

 

[RanaNaved]

Clearly. I only used the comparison in terms of them being labelled as non-plus athletes when that’s actually pretty disingenuous, as well as the fact they’re both clearly natural footballers from an IQ, reading the game, in the contest lens.

My point being that we should be considering him with 2, or doing all we can to make sure our third pick is in his range.

Sharp is like Rowbottom, Ned Long or what Clay Hall will be. No club is spending pick 2 on that kind of player

 

[txbyhull]

Sharp is like Rowbottom, Ned Long or what Clay Hall will be. No club is spending pick 2 on that kind of player

Obviously big on him, so bias, but I’d be pretty confident Sharp is better than Hall day 1, and at least 70% as good as the other two

 

[pupstar]

The Reid comparison doesn't stack up because his disposal quality was/ is first class so can transfer across multiple roles, whereas Sharp's weapons all revolve around being around the footy as an inside mid.

I don't agree that the knocks on him are based on where the game is going, i think they're based on where the game is, the best midfielders nowadays are guys that use the ball well, accumulate and hit the scoreboard in open play, so even without the athletic concerns I'd argue Sharp is up against it to become a top tier player. There's obviously a place for his style of midfielder still in today's game, but its certainly less in demand and can be pretty easily filled through other means for cheaper than a first round draft pick (i.e. Ned Long)

Even looking at the delistings this year, and it's obviously not like for like, but most of the guys under 23 that weren't offered contracts were guys that weren't efficient ball users and/or lack athleticism, you need to be one of the best 25ish guys in the country at that role to have a long career at the top level now.

So no, I don't think its overblown to question whether he translates given where the games at currently

So does that mean you don't think he should be a 1st round draft pick.

 

[Thunderstruck]

The Reid comparison doesn't stack up because his disposal quality was/ is first class so can transfer across multiple roles, whereas Sharp's weapons all revolve around being around the footy as an inside mid.

I don't agree that the knocks on him are based on where the game is going, i think they're based on where the game is, the best midfielders nowadays are guys that use the ball well, accumulate and hit the scoreboard in open play, so even without the athletic concerns I'd argue Sharp is up against it to become a top tier player. There's obviously a place for his style of midfielder still in today's game, but its certainly less in demand and can be pretty easily filled through other means for cheaper than a first round draft pick (i.e. Ned Long)

Even looking at the delistings this year, and it's obviously not like for like, but most of the guys under 23 that weren't offered contracts were guys that weren't efficient ball users and/or lack athleticism, you need to be one of the best 25ish guys in the country at that role to have a long career at the top level now.

So no, I don't think its overblown to question whether he translates given where the games at currently

What people forget to value with Sharp is he's not just another inside mid like Ned Long etc, his leadership and his animalistic competitiveness to put his team on his back in big moments and games is where the true value comes from aside from his skills/general play. It is very rare to find someone like him, they don't come around too often those old school warriors, you want those types within your club to bring the club and the team up. When they speak you listen.

 

[PMBangers]

So does that mean you don't think he should be a 1st round draft pick.

In this draft I think he's worth a first rounder because I see him as good enough to be someone's defensive mid long term to a decent level

 

[briztoon]

9 for 13 and 34 is pretty equal points wise?

No team that has to match a bid, trades for equal points, that's just plain stupidity. There's no material gain for Carlton.

Especially when you're in Carltons position. What you are proposing has no material advantage for Carlton, in fact it's a big disadvantage, because you are asking Carlton to push it's first live pick back. Carlton may as well just keep their two picks, and have the early bid push their first live pick back to same part of the draft anyway.

There's all this bravado on the West Coast board about making academy/father son teams pay, and forcing them to trade or WC will bid early, except everything ya'll talk about only benefits WC and still screws the other team. No one on the WC board are proposing trades where both clubs win, and that's the only type of trade academy/father son clubs are interested.