Polak Trade?

[CursoryMercenary]

Always admired this guy but hasn't reached his potential...yet. What would be a sufficent trade for him?

 

[mick ryan]

Take whatever they can get for him, just get rid of him he's been an absolute waste of space and an embarrassment to himself.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Take whatever they can get for him, just get rid of him he's been an absolute waste of space and an embarrassment to himself.

Thanks, just leave him on the front porch and Ill be 'round tomorrow morning

 

[mikben]

Take whatever they can get for him, just get rid of him he's been an absolute waste of space and an embarrassment to himself.

Nice one Clement, McPhee, White, Holland, Sinclair and I'm sure I have missed others.....

The biggest problem for Medhurst is Jeff Farmer....Two small forwards do not go into one....CC loves Farmer so Medhurst has no chance......

Considering you need a Ruckman you give us Medhurst and your second pick and we will give you Seaby.....

 

[rgauci]

Not one dockers supporter has actually replied yet.

He's a very good player. Not sure exactly what he's worth. Probably a pick between 10 and 20. Most opposition supporters think closer to 20 than 10.

Why do we need a ruckman? Once Longmuir is up and running he makes a great combo with Sandi. You can keep Seaby.

If you haven't noticed our junior beanpole is looking very good in the WAFL. Probably won't play until late 2007 or early 2008 but is a killer find at pick 42.

Medhurst and Polak's names were bandied around last year and a deal involving Port Adelaide nearly came to fruition regarding Medhurst.

Apparently the deals offered for Polak were laughable and the club obviously declined these offers.

I personally think both will leave the club at the end of the year, hopefully we are justly rewarded as they will offer good service at their new club.

Two extra picks between 10-25 would serve well to rejuvenate the midfield.

 

[Ysaye]

TRADE OPTION ONE - DIRECT TRADE

My suggestion elsewhere:
Morton -> Freo
Polak -> WCE

Seems an okay trade; both talented players but wrong position for each club, right type for the other club.

TRADE OPTION TWO - TRADE FOR DRAFT PICKS

Elsewhere on BigFooty someone said that potential draftee Mitch Thorp has said that he had talks with the Freo recruiting staff. Thorp is apparently likened to Pav (195cm player who can play CHF or Midfield with natural footy skills) and would suit most teams down to a tee.

Most people on bigfooty are of the opinion that Thorp will go top four in the draft, whilst some guy in the West Australian was sort of suggesting he was top six. At any rate, we will most likely have a pick around 7 to 9 which won't be low enough to even warrant considering him. This is an example of what Freo might try:

Trade:
Polak, Pick 8, maybe something else -> Kangaroos
Kangaroos -> Pick 4

It is all dependent on how much value is placed on those top four picks by the bottom four clubs. This is how I read the others:

(1) Essendon - will not give up the opporunity to get the best available - Trade? No
(2) Carlton need good players across the field - by doing a swap plus player they still have a high pick to get a player like Luenburger, Selwood or Sellar who might end up just as good as someone in the top 4 plus a ready made player that could play CHB. Trade? a slight maybe depending on what they think they can get out of Polak.
(3) Kangaroos - Similar to Carlton
(4) Hawthorn - Will likely want a go at Gibbs/Thorp like us, but has a history of trading with us and might rate Polak. Trade? slight maybe.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

TRADE OPTION ONE - DIRECT TRADE

My suggestion elsewhere:
Morton -> Freo
Polak -> WCE

Seems an okay trade; both talented players but wrong position for each club, right type for the other club.

TRADE OPTION TWO - TRADE FOR DRAFT PICKS

Elsewhere on BigFooty someone said that potential draftee Mitch Thorp has said that he had talks with the Freo recruiting staff. Thorp is apparently likened to Pav (195cm player who can play CHF or Midfield with natural footy skills) and would suit most teams down to a tee.

Most people on bigfooty are of the opinion that Thorp will go top four in the draft, whilst some guy in the West Australian was sort of suggesting he was top six. At any rate, we will most likely have a pick around 7 to 9 which won't be low enough to even warrant considering him. This is an example of what Freo might try:

Trade:
Polak, Pick 8, maybe something else -> Kangaroos
Kangaroos -> Pick 4

It is all dependent on how much value is placed on those top four picks by the bottom four clubs. This is how I read the others:

(1) Essendon - will not give up the opporunity to get the best available - Trade? No
(2) Carlton need good players across the field - by doing a swap plus player they still have a high pick to get a player like Luenburger, Selwood or Sellar who might end up just as good as someone in the top 4 plus a ready made player that could play CHB. Trade? a slight maybe depending on what they think they can get out of Polak.
(3) Kangaroos - Similar to Carlton
(4) Hawthorn - Will likely want a go at Gibbs/Thorp like us, but has a history of trading with us and might rate Polak. Trade? slight maybe.

Yeah we aint going to trade Morton for you but im sure a draft pick would be satisfactory.

 

[rgauci]

Its wierd Ysaye, i've heard you talk about Morton in other threads, i don't see the attraction. He's barely having an impact at WAFL level. I know he's young but surely Polak has more value.

I would be very upset to get Morton for Polak.

Similarly why would we trade up in the draft to secure another Key position player. Surely its been identified our midfield is in need.

 

[theGav56]

Seems to be a few schizophrenic Eagles supporters around this Board at the moment.

My view, trade Polak only if a value trade is available. One that will make us a stronger team. He is a better player than he has shown so far, and will play better football in the future. At present he has been a useful contributer rather than a star.

A useful/fair trade in my view could be;
Polak for Morton
Polak for pick 10-20
Polak plus our 2nd round for a pick in top 10
Polak for James Kelly from Geelong

Polak is also just fine on the list, with his future in his own hands. From memory he is still contracted for next year???

 

[rgauci]

I'd keep him.

Leave him forward with Pavlich and Murphy. MOVE McPHARLIN BACK!!!

 

[Ripper]

Bit of trivia.

The game against Essendon was our first win since round 18 2004 vs Carlton without Macpharlap in the team.

It was our first win since round 5 2002 vs Richmond without Macpharlap and Polly in the side.

 

[Ysaye]

Its wierd Ysaye, i've heard you talk about Morton in other threads, i don't see the attraction. He's barely having an impact at WAFL level. I know he's young but surely Polak has more value.

I would be very upset to get Morton for Polak..

I am happy for you to disagree - for the last few weeks I have slowly starting to go off the idea but I think it is still a relevant idea and could be applied to a couple of other players at some other clubs. I still think Morton gets played a bit too much as a HFF at WAFL level and hence goes in and out of the game a bit, but he has some of the right attributes (Fast agile, reasonable size) and a bit of a football brain.

From a trading point of view, Morton will have "potential" value to the Eagles as he was likely rated by many as one of the Top 5 from his draft year. He hasn't played much for them, but then McPharlin hadn't played much before he came to Freo either.

Regardless I conceed ground and conclude that it might be better to hope for Mitch's bigger brother Jarryd with a second round pick.

Similarly why would we trade up in the draft to secure another Key position player. Surely its been identified our midfield is in need.

I think the idea is that Mitch Thorp (Whilst still being a footballer) is very athletic and has played as a centreman, and that is what he would play at the top level for us. One of the things about a lot of the midfielders in this draft is that they are either small and fast or tall and not so fast. Midfielders Collard, Jetta, Proud who are at the moment probably around our first pick are all small at 180cm or under. Thorp is tall and fast and is considered the next Mathew Pavlich because he can play everywhere. CC has already blabbered on about how our centreline isn't big enough, so maybe the thinking is that this is the guy we need.

The other thing is that there is the small possibility that Gibbs could fall to that pick as well - I don't rate him as the best player in the draft and if teams lgo for the best player then he could fall to pick four. Gumbleton and Hansen don't suit what we need, but we would probably have to take them if one fell to us because of how good they are. You could also almost be assured of being able to get Selwood, who is probably the second best midfielder in the draft. My thinking is that getting a high pick would at least give you a lot of choice in who you get.

 

[Scham]

Polak and second round pick for pick 9, 10, 11 or 12.

Medhurst for pick 15 - 20.

That'll give us 3 picks in top 20 which'll enable us to get Collard, perhaps Jetta, and Proud. That should fix our midfield problems! If we can't get Jetta with our first pick, then Sellar would be the go.(effectively replacing Polak).

 

[Roundhouse]

Polak is 21/22. His best is still to come.
If we could get a great deal, ie gun midfielder or top ten pick, then I would say go for it. But if anything less than that is offered we should keep him. Our "wealth" of KPP options is only a few injuries away from looking not so wealthy.

 

[theGav56]

Polak and second round pick for pick 9, 10, 11 or 12.

Medhurst for pick 15 - 20.

That'll give us 3 picks in top 20 which'll enable us to get Collard, perhaps Jetta, and Proud. That should fix our midfield problems! If we can't get Jetta with our first pick, then Sellar would be the go.(effectively replacing Polak).

It wouldn't fix our midfield problem for next year. I think it is way too much to expect skinny kids like Jetta to come in and start having a major impact, particularly towards the end of a season. I would have thought at least 2 years. i would also expect someone like Jetta to play forward until he has built a solid enough base to go midfield.

Alos, I think you are dreaming if you think Medhurst would attract a pick 15-20. I would have thought 30-40.

 

[Undertaker]

IMO the problem is not the players it is with club player management, you only have to look at some the decisions they have made and what has transpired.
Troy Simmonds: Ruckman to KP Forward = Failure, lost faith in the club and now a champion Ruckman at Richmond.
Paul Medhurst:Small H/Forward to Leading Forward got him to bulk up = Failure now out of form and looks disinterested, will probably get traded and be a good player at another club.
Josh Carr:Tagging Midfielder into Receiver/Playmaker = Failure, now back into Tagging role and doing well.
Graham Polak:KP Defender to KP Forward = Failure, now out of form and looks disinterested, will probably get traded and be a good player at another club.
Byron Schammer:Small Onballer to Small Defender = Failure, now out of form and struggling.
Jeff Farmer:Small H/Forward to midfield (2004) = Failure, has never been the same.
Troy Cook:Small on baller into Small Defender = Failure.
Des Headland:Outside Onballer to Inside Midfielder = Failure now struggles everywhere.
Ryan Murphy:KP Forward to KP Back = Failure, now playing forward again and doing OK.
Mathew Pavlich:KP Forward to Onballer = ? played some good footy but it forced Simmonds to play KP Forward so I believe that was also a failure.
Luke McPharlin:KP Back to KP Forward = Failure worked initially now he is totally out of form.
Look for the root cause not the symptoms.
End of Rant

 

[Ysaye]

IMO the problem is not the players it is with club player management, you only have to look at some the decisions they have made and what has transpired.
Troy Simmonds: Ruckman to KP Forward = Failure, lost faith in the club and now a champion Ruckman at Richmond.
Paul Medhurst:Small H/Forward to Leading Forward got him to bulk up = Failure now out of form and looks disinterested, will probably get traded and be a good player at another club.
Josh Carr:Tagging Midfielder into Receiver/Playmaker = Failure, now back into Tagging role and doing well.
Graham Polak:KP Defender to KP Forward = Failure, now out of form and looks disinterested, will probably get traded and be a good player at another club.
Byron Schammer:Small Onballer to Small Defender = Failure, now out of form and struggling.
Jeff Farmer:Small H/Forward to midfield (2004) = Failure, has never been the same.
Troy Cook:Small on baller into Small Defender = Failure.
Des Headland:Outside Onballer to Inside Midfielder = Failure now struggles everywhere.
Ryan Murphy:KP Forward to KP Back = Failure, now playing forward again and doing OK.
Mathew Pavlich:KP Forward to Onballer = ? played some good footy but it forced Simmonds to play KP Forward so I believe that was also a failure.
Luke McPharlin:KP Back to KP Forward = Failure worked initially now he is totally out of form.
Look for the root cause not the symptoms.
End of Rant

Really off topic but:

(1) Never seen Troy Cook playing as a defender
(2) Ryan Murphy was a successful backman at junior/WAFL level who got changed into a forward and had success.
(3) Luke McPharlin and Graham Polak were originally forwards at junior/WAFL/AFL level. It was CC that played them as backmen.
(4) Simmonds - Was not playing in the ruck as well as Longmuir or Sandilands and consequently he was moved forward and then traded.
(5) Headland has played pretty well as a HFF this year. Had to play in the centre because we had no one else of his size or speed to go there.
(6) Byron Schammer couldn't break into the midfield because he was one small player too many. Will do a lot better when Bell retires and if we get another big midfielder.
(7) Paul Medhurst has always played as a leading FF, especially at WAFL level when he topped the goal kicking list. Bulking him was a mistake by that Adam Larcom.
(8) Farmer and Pavlich playing midfield - see Headland.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Keep him. Trade no one.

 

[malpaso]

Really off topic but:

(1) Never seen Troy Cook playing as a defender

He was played as a defender on G.Ablett last year and this year. Worked last year got towelled up this year.

 

[malpaso]

Trade him to Brisbane for Akermanis and a draft pick.

 

[dominguez]

Polak will improve under a real coach, as will Medhurst.

 

[Undertaker]

Really off topic but:

(1) Never seen Troy Cook playing as a defender
Has had a couple defensive roles and has struggled, best suited in the middle.
(2) Ryan Murphy was a successful backman at junior/WAFL level who got changed into a forward and had success.
Spud played ALL his junior footy as a Forward
(3) Luke McPharlin and Graham Polak were originally forwards at junior/WAFL/AFL level. It was CC that played them as backmen.
Both have played their best footy as defenders
(4) Simmonds - Was not playing in the ruck as well as Longmuir or Sandilands and consequently he was moved forward and then traded.
Lack of faith by the match committee
(5) Headland has played pretty well as a HFF this year. Had to play in the centre because we had no one else of his size or speed to go there.
Agree but has shown very little since
(6) Byron Schammer couldn't break into the midfield because he was one small player too many. Will do a lot better when Bell retires and if we get another big midfielder.
The match committee persisted with Schammer as a small defender ahead of Hayden and probably cost us a few games.
(7) Paul Medhurst has always played as a leading FF, especially at WAFL level when he topped the goal kicking list. Bulking him was a mistake by that Adam Larcom.
Larcom was not at the club last year
(8) Farmer and Pavlich playing midfield - see Headland.

Was a case of robbing Peter to Pay Paul.
As far as being off topic the point is we should not be talking about trading players like Polak or Medhurst because if they go to any other club they will be good players. It's the Coaches & Match committee that is the problem not the players.

 

[Jabso]

The theory that two flashy small forwards don't work together is bogus. Look at Davis and Didak this year, and last year Sydney had Nick Davis, O'Louqlin (more of a FF/leading small), Sneider and Buchanan. Geelong have Ablett and Chapman, although they are a different kettle of fish (also can go in the midfield). Medhurst and Farmer just don't work, I think it is because of poor tactical coaching. This may seem harsh, but none of Fremantle's areas (mid/forwards/backmen) work as a cohesive unit all the time. Especially your forward line, which is full of good talent.

Polak for Kelly, you are dreaming. First off Geelong don't necessarily need tall backs, they need tall forwards, and Polak has shown next to nothing forward. They wouldn't give up Kelly for that.

Polak and a 2nd round for a top 10 pick may be stretching it, but then again stranger things have happened in trade week (Hay for a couple of first rounders, Thompson who was crap at the time for a lot of high picks).

I would like Polak at our club. I know it is futile to negotiate as posters in an internet forum, but a deal involving Lockyer or even Davis would be good.

 

[Roundhouse]

Polak will improve under a real coach, as will Medhurst.

Both have improved under the current coach in certain areas of their games. The next step is up to them. A players attitude is paramount to their success.
Mcmanus has improved under Connolly.
Pavlich has gone from strength to strength.
Sandilands has developed out of sight (remember nobody rated him at first).
Johnson, Mundy, Crowley, Dodd, Grover, Thornton, Peake have all taken big steps forward under Connolly.

 

[Ripper]

Both have improved under the current coach in certain areas of their games. The next step is up to them. A players attitude is paramount to their success.
Mcmanus has improved under Connolly.
Pavlich has gone from strength to strength.
Sandilands has developed out of sight (remember nobody rated him at first).
Johnson, Mundy, Crowley, Dodd, Grover, Thornton, Peake have all taken big steps forward under Connolly.

Without doubt. Watching the Bombres game it showed how far advanced our 2003 crop are in comparison to even the great Sheedy's 2003 crop.