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ErnieSigley said:
Either you are off your rocker or you have grossly underrated Harris.
Firstly his kicking is no worse than Morris or Ray.
If we get rid of a FB we will need a FB. While Morris was good on Fev, he cannot take the Gorrilla FF. Harris does.

No point trading a good young tall backman for another.
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Fair points - however who are the gorilla FF left in the game.

Hall - BH too slow and hall plays CHF anyway.
Fev - BH doesn't take him any more.
Brown - matches up well.
Richo - BH too slow needs other defenders to assist. On lead get killed.

The point is that the game is getting so fast that brute FF's are almost a thing of the past. The doggies are showing that smarter small to mid sized forwards may be the key.
 
linkman said:
Fair points - however who are the gorilla FF left in the game.

Hall - BH too slow and hall plays CHF anyway.
Fev - BH doesn't take him any more.
Brown - matches up well.
Richo - BH too slow needs other defenders to assist. On lead get killed.

The point is that the game is getting so fast that brute FF's are almost a thing of the past. The doggies are showing that smarter small to mid sized forwards may be the key.
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Maybe we should just put on ignore?
 

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I wrote this on our board so thought i'd post it on yours too.

Fremantle supporter perspective:

I'd really prefer to keep him, no other team has tall stocks quite like we do. Robert Warnock (young ruckman) is coming on in leaps and bounds and i wouldn't be surprised if he debuts next year at his current rate of improvement.

Adam Campbell and Graham Polak are progressing very well and provide us with great depth in the talls. Polak just had a 28 possession game on the weekend with marks in the double figures. Was named BOG in the WAFL.

That being said, if Polak isn't happy at Fremantle, especially as he's gone down the pecking order i imagine Fremantle would be looking for picks or perhaps a midfield type player.

The obvious candidate becomes Farren Ray. With the progression Ray has made this year i think the Doggies would be gutted to lose him.

Being a Fremantle supporter i would suggest:

Polak for Ray
Polak for your 1st rounder (pick 10-12)

But i can see you feeling hard done by, the whole what has polak done anyway etc. If we didn't have MAtthew Pavlich who single handedly dominates our forward half, we would be playing Polak week in week out. Polak also plays key forward. He is a yard to slow to play key defender IMO. He hasn't been used in defence since last year. Not once has he played defence this year. His prefered position is forward, he has stated this several times in the media, but is also capable down back. If you think your recruiting a CHB i think you might be dissapointed.

He likes being the long target and i feel that he and Pavlich only crowd each other. Its the same with Medhurst and Farmer. Polak and Medhurst aren't bad players, in fact they could get a game with most teams, they just aren't as good as Farmer and Pavlich.

The other tall we've been playing recently, Ryan Murphy, plays a better second fiddle than Polak, hence his inclusion over Polak. Similarly Longmuir who can also play ruck is being used forward in conjunction with Pavlich.

Especially at Subi, its detrimental to play several traditional key forwards. We thrashed the saints last weekend playing only 1. There were times that both Pavlich and Longmuir weren't in our forward 50, being our only tall targets selected for the night.

I could keep rambling about the direction of the game and key forwards becoming less important but i won't. I think only 1 dominant forward is currently needed with other working around that player.

Anyway, thats just my thoughts. In short, he's a good player, should be getting a game. Still young and an excellent contested mark. Suffers from the fact he likes being the goto target, and the fact our list boasts very good talls.
 
rgauci said:
I wrote this on our board so thought i'd post it on yours too.

Fremantle supporter perspective:

I'd really prefer to keep him, no other team has tall stocks quite like we do. Robert Warnock (young ruckman) is coming on in leaps and bounds and i wouldn't be surprised if he debuts next year at his current rate of improvement.

Adam Campbell and Graham Polak are progressing very well and provide us with great depth in the talls. Polak just had a 28 possession game on the weekend with marks in the double fiures. Was named BOG in the WAFL.

That being said, if Polak isn't happy at Fremantle, especially as he's gone down the pecking order i imagine Fremantle would be looking for picks or perhaps a midfield type player.

The obvious candidate becomes Farren Ray. With the progression Ray has made this year i think the Doggies would be gutted to lose him.

Being a Fremantle supporter i would suggest:

Polak for Ray
Polak for your 1st rounder (pick 10-12)

But i can see you feeling hard done by, the whole what has polak done anyway etc. If we didn't have MAtthew Pavlich who single handedly dominates our forward half, we would be playing Polak week in week out. Polak also plays key forward. He is a yard to slow to play key defender IMO. He hasn't been used in defence since last year. Not once has he played defence this year. His prefered position is forward, he has stated this several times in the media, but is also capable down back. If you think your recruiting a CHB i think you might be dissapointed.

He likes being the long target and i feel that he and Pavlich only crowd each other. Its the same with Medhurst and Farmer. Polak and Medhurst aren't bad players, in fact they could get a game with most teams, they just aren't as good as Farmer and Pavlich.

The other tall we've been playing recently, Ryan Murphy, plays a better second fiddle than Polak, hence his inclusion over Polak. Similarly Longmuir who can also play ruck is being used forward in conjunction with Pavlich.

Especially at Subi, its detrimental to play several traditional key forwards. We thrashed the saints last weekend playing only 1. There were times that both Pavlich and Longmuir weren't in our forward 50, being our only tall targets selected for the night.

I could keep rambling about the direction of the game and key forwards becoming less important but i won't. I think only 1 dominant forward is currently needed with other working around that player.

Anyway, thats just my thoughts. In short, he's a good player, should be getting a game. Still young and an excellent contested mark. Suffers from the fact he likes being the goto target, and the fact our list boasts very good talls.
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How about neither deal:rolleyes:
 
rgauci said:
But i can see you feeling hard done by, the whole what has polak done anyway etc. If we didn't have MAtthew Pavlich who single handedly dominates our forward half, we would be playing Polak week in week out. Polak also plays key forward. He is a yard to slow to play key defender IMO. He hasn't been used in defence since last year. Not once has he played defence this year. His prefered position is forward, he has stated this several times in the media, but is also capable down back. If you think your recruiting a CHB i think you might be dissapointed.

He likes being the long target and i feel that he and Pavlich only crowd each other. Its the same with Medhurst and Farmer. Polak and Medhurst aren't bad players, in fact they could get a game with most teams, they just aren't as good as Farmer and Pavlich.

Anyway, thats just my thoughts. In short, he's a good player, should be getting a game. Still young and an excellent contested mark. Suffers from the fact he likes being the goto target, and the fact our list boasts very good talls.
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Very interesting. So he is more of a CHF than CHB?

I have read another Docker fan who claims he is a poor kick for goal - is this true?
 
Dry Rot said:
Very interesting. So he is more of a CHF than CHB?

I have read another Docker fan who claims he is a poor kick for goal - is this true?
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yes he is poor kick for goal, he doesnt straighten his leg.his field kicking is fine which suggests to me that it is a mental thing
 
What people forget is Polak just turned 22. That is extremely young.

He is still the best contested mark in our side, and we have McPharlin and Pavlich amongst others.

When he was 18/19, Polak was in the top 5 in the AFL for contested marks.

It's a huge risk trading him. THe only thing is our balance in our side is spot on atm and it's hard to fit him in. Polak played in the first half of the season and had some decent games. He missed a couple of games and then we started winning and he couldn't get back in.

Polak's main weakness is set shot goal kicking. His field kicking is reasonably accurate. He isn't as quick as McPharlin and Johnson either, but faster than a Mal Michael type. When his body fully develops, I think he will be a good CHB, and will only struggle against the really quick CHFs who take a lot of marks up the ground.
 

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Dry Rot said:
Good post. I assume that these are alternative suggestions?

Very interesting. So he is more of a CHF than CHB?

I have read another Docker fan who claims he is a poor kick for goal - is this true?
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Yes they are alternative suggestions.

I see him more of a CHF than a CHB, definately. He's playing forward atm in the WAFL.. Definately see him as a forward in the long term rather than a backman.

Yes his kicking is questionable, but so was Longmuirs when he first started at Fremantle. Look at McManus this year, the guy kicked a running goal from 50 on his non-preferred. We have a habit of turning poor kicks around. He's improved a lot since he debuted and has gone from poor to above average. Still wouldn't like him to be kicking for my life though. Its an area CC has stated publicly he needs to work on.
 
Dogs wont give up first round pick for him, no one will this year. at best freo will get our second round pick and a fringe midfielder like power, birss,dmac etc
 
Freo would be looking for quick ball carriers but we wouldn't want to take much away from our one real strength.I heard Connolly say that he considers Polak a ten year player and would prefer to keep him but realistically with some of the rumours around about Polak and the suspiscion that the games increased pace has left him with limited versatility I dont think they can demand Ray or a first round pick.

I would prefer us to keep our first pick as we need to keep adding talent for the post West,Johnson,Grant and Darcy era.I see Ray as tradeable but not for someone as risky as Polak and not while Ray is still developing.

Freo supporters would not like it but I would offer them Eagleton (28) and our second pick.We are getting rid of someone who has maybe 4 or 5 seasons left and plays a role that we can more easily cover.Freo are getting the run and carry they need and a big sweetener in our second pick.Freo are just coming right into the premiership equation and Eagleton would be a good fit at Subi.I suppose another way it could happen is a swap of first round picks asuming Freo finish higher than us.This allows us to keep a presence in the first round and then add a player to that.

Note: Just for the record I have alot of time for Eagle but it makes more sense than our other runners given that he is 28.
 
rgauci said:
Yes they are alternative suggestions.

I see him more of a CHF than a CHB, definately. He's playing forward atm in the WAFL.. Definately see him as a forward in the long term rather than a backman.

Yes his kicking is questionable, but so was Longmuirs when he first started at Fremantle. Look at McManus this year, the guy kicked a running goal from 50 on his non-preferred. We have a habit of turning poor kicks around. He's improved a lot since he debuted and has gone from poor to above average. Still wouldn't like him to be kicking for my life though. Its an area CC has stated publicly he needs to work on.
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Thanks for the info from yourself and other Freo posters.

Is he out of contract at seasons's end?
 

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I think Polak could be a good fit for us, though a bit concerned if he can't play that much down back, and he's clearly a bit of a risk.

I wouldn't trade our first round pick, nor Ray (unless he really wants to go), and definitely not Harris or Shaggy.

It's a pity that Birss probably isn't that good a fit at Freo (maybe we could do a three-way trade with Port). Eagleton is a v interesting idea - I like him but can see some merit in that trade, particularly if we get a sweetner.
 
rgauci said:
Ray isn't the greatest kick either is he? From what i understand and when i watch him play, its his running ability that has people talking. Thats his major strength.
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He is a horrendous kick if you are after the precision that our game plan requires but in a normal side he would be a reasonable dual sided kick.He has basically no wrong side which allows him to do some prety clever things its just that he isn't the sort of guy who can kick a flat 50 metre bullet.If he was kicking to a quality tall then his kicks would allow the player to work onto them.
 
Dog Town said:
Freo would be looking for quick ball carriers but we wouldn't want to take much away from our one real strength.I heard Connolly say that he considers Polak a ten year player and would prefer to keep him but realistically with some of the rumours around about Polak and the suspiscion that the games increased pace has left him with limited versatility I dont think they can demand Ray or a first round pick.

I would prefer us to keep our first pick as we need to keep adding talent for the post West,Johnson,Grant and Darcy era.I see Ray as tradeable but not for someone as risky as Polak and not while Ray is still developing.

Freo supporters would not like it but I would offer them Eagleton (28) and our second pick.We are getting rid of someone who has maybe 4 or 5 seasons left and plays a role that we can more easily cover.Freo are getting the run and carry they need and a big sweetener in our second pick.Freo are just coming right into the premiership equation and Eagleton would be a good fit at Subi.I suppose another way it could happen is a swap of first round picks asuming Freo finish higher than us.This allows us to keep a presence in the first round and then add a player to that.

Note: Just for the record I have alot of time for Eagle but it makes more sense than our other runners given that he is 28.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way. The Baldeagle is staying at whitten oval:mad:
 
Dry Rot said:
Is he out of contract at seasons's end?
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Yes. I have always rated Polly very highly, and found it odd back in 2004 when all our young "guns" were signing contract extensions... Pav, McPharlin, Hasleby and Schammer were all signed up till 2007, but Polly just till this year. I still wonder why it happened that way. I thought perhaps it was his manager, but maybe there was a little more to it.
 
bulldogrob said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way. The Baldeagle is staying at whitten oval:mad:
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It is just a suggestion.I have no problems with the Eagle as a player and I am not even sure I would look at trading for Polak just yet I was just suggesting something that might interest Freo without us giving away any of our future stars.
 

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