Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 5 - Cont. in Part 6

[GremioPower]

Port Adelaide have the equal second-most players from other clubs. Includes trades, free agents and DFA's. Carlton have the most.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-02/which-club-has-the-most-recycled-players

It is more like:
Carlton
Everybody else
Sydney

 

[Hammer#8]

The legends live on

 

[Doctor Feel]

An article on the changing influences of Rucks and the tendency to use only one specialist ruckman in a game. Sam Hayes gets a mention and possible explanation for his sliding in the draft order.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-06/ruck-and-role-how-the-position-has-evolved

 

[chiwigi]

An article on the changing influences of Rucks and the tendency to use only one specialist ruckman in a game. Sam Hayes gets a mention and possible explanation for his sliding in the draft order.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-06/ruck-and-role-how-the-position-has-evolved

Endurance and flexibility are two of the easiest things to improve.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Endurance and flexibility are two of the easiest things to improve.

My exact thoughts too. We were happy to take the longer path and were focused on the end result.

 

[Killer Power]

An interesting article on the changing role of the ruckman including some statistical analysis.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-06/ruck-and-role-how-the-position-has-evolved

 

[Andre]

An article on the changing influences of Rucks and the tendency to use only one specialist ruckman in a game. Sam Hayes gets a mention and possible explanation for his sliding in the draft order.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-06/ruck-and-role-how-the-position-has-evolved

As long as he's willing to put in the hard work (Mitch Harvey sad face.jpg). A pre-season update of him gasping for breath or about to puke wouldn't go astray

 

[edgie]

Just walk up to him wearing a grin and put out your hand. He’ll grasp it and start talking. There is one golden rule. With Adam Gilchrist it was never mention his ears...

The opposite of Texas Tex the big Texan then?

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[CharlieKelly]

Dean “Steak Knives” Gore is returning to Geelong (sorta)

http://m.geelongcats.com.au/news/2017-12-07/vfl-cats-boosted-by-big-four

 

[OneGreatClub]

Dean “Steak Knives” Gore is returning to Geelong (sorta)

http://m.geelongcats.com.au/news/2017-12-07/vfl-cats-boosted-by-big-four

How nice that Dangerfield and future Dangerfield are finally united at the one club.

 

[Grave Danger]

Dean “Steak Knives” Gore is returning to Geelong (sorta)

http://m.geelongcats.com.au/news/2017-12-07/vfl-cats-boosted-by-big-four

Good - Sturt are already far too strong for the SANFL and getting Gore back would make a mockery of the competition

 

[yepits2020]

Tim Ginever just came into work, dude walks around In a fuvking PA shirt, what a legend. I'm from the country and dont know the etiquette for meeting people like that though so I neve say anything

Ginever is actually a very nice bloke. He will talk to anybody, very approachable. As Lockhart Road wrote, just go up to him and shake his hand. Warning, he will talk the ears off of Adam Gilchrist.

 

[TheFVK]

Just a general reflection, but in hindsight what a horrible decision by GAJ to go to Gold Coast. Even if it bumped his pay up by $500k a year (take home half of that), odds are he missed out on an equivalent amount with endorsements and appearances in Victoria.

Further his legacy has been tainted. He's now known just as much for being a shit captain and money chaser, who wouldn't travel for away games than for being a champion. He stays at Geelong and he's a multi-premiership winning one club icon of the game. He'd want to play another 5 years for Geelong and hope people forget the previous 5 ever happened.

 

[elpirate]

Just a general reflection, but in hindsight what a horrible decision by GAJ to go to Gold Coast. Even if it bumped his pay up by $500k a year (take home half of that), odds are he missed out on an equivalent amount with endorsements and appearances in Victoria.

Further his legacy has been tainted. He's now known just as much for being a shit captain and money chaser, who wouldn't travel for away games than for being a champion. He stays at Geelong and he's a multi-premiership winning one club icon of the game. He'd want to play another 5 years for Geelong and hope people forget the previous 5 ever happened.

He would have got as much if not more via endorsements and appearances at GCS. He helped launch the club. He had to go.
There was no decision to make. Geelong couldn't get near the money he got.

He damaged himself in the latter years but ide lose motivation after enduring the ineptness that is GCS.

 

[Del80659]

the way it was at the time felt like a godfather offer on all fronts, if GAJ to GC17 failed where would the AFL go next?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just a general reflection, but in hindsight what a horrible decision by GAJ to go to Gold Coast. Even if it bumped his pay up by $500k a year (take home half of that), odds are he missed out on an equivalent amount with endorsements and appearances in Victoria.

Further his legacy has been tainted. He's now known just as much for being a shit captain and money chaser, who wouldn't travel for away games than for being a champion. He stays at Geelong and he's a multi-premiership winning one club icon of the game. He'd want to play another 5 years for Geelong and hope people forget the previous 5 ever happened.

Try a million extra that first 5 year contract he signed plus what ever extra endorsements he got outside of the ASA's that he was getting at Geelong. And if you have a smart tax adviser and make good investments you don't pay anywhere near half that extra million/year on tax.

And he played well and lead well for most of his time at GC. His sister was dying this year so he didn't have his greatest year because he wanted to be with her. But after he got sledged for that Rd 2 game where GWS smashed GC and he only got 19 disposals he rack up the following disposals -
36,34,33,45,32,29, missed game in Alice, 36,37,and 25 and then he started missing games.
His previous couple of year he was ravaged by injuries. He played many games in pain. For me he hasn't wrecked any legacy he had at Geelong. He was happy to get out of the fishbowl of Geelong. Sure it took him awhile to forget about Melbourne and his best 2 years were his last 2 years at Geelong. But 2012 and 2013 weren't that far behind.

 

[PatientMental]

Yeah Ablett was earning millions a year more than he ever would have gotten at Geelong, he did it because it's hard to say no to 2+ million a year that most would end up in his bank account.

 

[TheFVK]

He would have got as much if not more via endorsements and appearances at GCS. He helped launch the club. He had to go.
There was no decision to make. Geelong couldn't get near the money he got.

He damaged himself in the latter years but ide lose motivation after enduring the ineptness that is GCS.

"No decision to make" is such a Crows' supporter argument though. Boak, Hartlett, Wines, hell even Pittard and Butcher all had no decisions to make too. He absolutely had a decision to make.

It's not like he was being paid peanuts at Geelong, he could have reasonably expected to make $800K-$1M for another 8-10 years had he stayed, and it's not like the extra money Gold Coast offered (half of which would be eaten up in tax) would make any real difference to his lifestyle. Not to mention that a guy with his profile can reasonably expect to earn a similarly healthy salary post-retirement through endorsements and appearances.

At the time I believe he thought he'd be going to a future juggernaut and adding another 3-4 premierships to his belt, but in hindsight it was a terrible outcome with limited benefit and even with the Brownlow he won up there you can't help but feel the latter part of his career has been wasted.

Luckily for him there's still time to salvage something out of it.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Ablett gets a third premiership with Geelong in 2011 and if they had him in 2013 then they probably would have won it that year too.

In hindsight, I'd say it was the wrong decision to go to Gold Coast, despite the money.

 

[Hellgood]

Don't forget that there was a bit of malaise and tension about Geelong in 2010 as well - albeit some of it caused by his reaction to the enormous offer (as anyone would).

 

[Tibbs]

....
Luckily for him there's still time to salvage something out of it.

look, it's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.... But man, I find that last sentence ridiculous! This, about the guy who has done it all, brownlows, premierships, captain, all-australian, earned multi-millions extra by making the move north, had been that clubs backbone, will enjoy some good years at Geelong, then will end up with an eye-wateringly lucritive post-football career, and will go down as the game's greatest ever!

But yeah, hopefully he will be able to salvage something from the mess he has made of his life!

 

[TheFVK]

look, it's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.... But man, I find that last sentence ridiculous! This, about the guy who has done it all, brownlows, premierships, captain, all-australian, earned multi-millions extra by making the move north, had been that clubs backbone, will enjoy some good years at Geelong, then will end up with an eye-wateringly lucritive post-football career, and will go down as the game's greatest ever!

But yeah, hopefully he will be able to salvage something from the mess he has made of his life!

Carn, talk about taking a quote out context! I'm talking about salvaging something out of the latter part of his career.

If you think what some consider the best player of our generation atrophying away at the bottom of the ladder, not having played a final in 8 years in a cultureless wasteland of a club is time well spent then all power to you.

 

[Tibbs]

Carn, talk about taking a quote out context! I'm talking about salvaging something out of the latter part of his career.

If you think what some consider the best player of our generation atrophying away at the bottom of the ladder, not having played a final in 8 years in a cultureless wasteland of a club is time well spent then all power to you.

The point being he doesn't need to salvage anything! He had a red hot go. He led the team, he mentored young men, and he is a legend up here. HE don't fail the club, if anything, they failed him. He has received every accolade under the sun, and had made a motza to boot. Now he gets to finish his career back at his roots. He has nothing to live up to, or salvage, IMO.

 

[TheFVK]

The point being he doesn't need to salvage anything! He had a red hot go. He led the team, he mentored young men, and he is a legend up here. HE don't fail the club, if anything, they failed him. He has received every accolade under the sun, and had made a motza to boot. Now he gets to finish his career back at his roots. He has nothing to live up to, or salvage, IMO.

I'm not sure about this, if anything it seems to be something he's commonly criticised for. And he can mentor young men when he's 35, go the Luke Hodge route.

But there's no escaping the fact one of the most talented midfielders of all time spent the peak 7 years of his career in a shithole, playing zero finals in games nobody watched. And at the end of his career, I guarantee you he won't be rewatching games played for Gold Coast in front of 6,000 fans pulling 40 possessions on the half back line. He'll be rewatching his grand final performances playing in front of 100,000 on the last Saturday in September.

 

[PatientMental]

I'm not sure about this, if anything it seems to be something he's commonly criticised for. And he can mentor young men when he's 35, go the Luke Hodge route.

But there's no escaping the fact one of the most talented midfielders of all time spent the peak 7 years of his career in a shithole, playing zero finals in games nobody watched. And at the end of his career, I guarantee you he won't be rewatching games played for Gold Coast in front of 6,000 fans pulling 40 possessions on the half back line. He'll be rewatching his grand final performances playing in front of 100,000 on the last Saturday in September.

Assuming he has the same ideals as you.