What does last touch between the arcs achieve? There would still be the same amount of judgement and inconsistency where it matters most.
I’m not a fan of last touch from what I’ve seen in the SANFL.
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I’m not a fan of last touch from what I’ve seen in the SANFL.
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Fair enough. I simply despise the current “insufficient intent” nonsense. It’s a blight on the sport and far too grey.
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In a rare moment of me agreeing with Waspy, I'm all for last touch. The current system is an inconsistent shambles.
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It works well in AFLW.
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The top 9 play the bottom 9, and 8 of the top 9 are 75%+ favourites according to the betting companies' odds.
Sydney are favourites at home against Freo @ $1.59, and given a lot of their top ranked injured players have been back for 2 or 3 weeks now, that is fair enough. Plus the swans on average will be close to 2 years older than Freo.
But with the cold and wet of winter/July setting in and injuries starting to build for some sides, I reckon we are due for 2 or 3 big shock wins this week or 2 or 3 in a round over the next few weeks.
It happens every winter that there is one, two or more rounds these big shocks happen and stuffs up my chance to get close to the leaders in the tipping comps I enter.
It wouldn't surprise me if West Coast beat GWS in Perth given Briggs, Daniels, Hogan, and Whitfield who went into concussion protocols might all be out, to go with their other 9 or 10 injuries. Also Carlton might finally pull their finger out in a home game against Collingwood.
Sydney are favourites at home against Freo @ $1.59, and given a lot of their top ranked injured players have been back for 2 or 3 weeks now, that is fair enough. Plus the swans on average will be close to 2 years older than Freo.
But with the cold and wet of winter/July setting in and injuries starting to build for some sides, I reckon we are due for 2 or 3 big shock wins this week or 2 or 3 in a round over the next few weeks.
It happens every winter that there is one, two or more rounds these big shocks happen and stuffs up my chance to get close to the leaders in the tipping comps I enter.
It wouldn't surprise me if West Coast beat GWS in Perth given Briggs, Daniels, Hogan, and Whitfield who went into concussion protocols might all be out, to go with their other 9 or 10 injuries. Also Carlton might finally pull their finger out in a home game against Collingwood.
The out of bounds rule is truly one of the worst officiated rules I’ve ever seen in any sport.
And that’s a big call when the same sport has “holding the ball”
Current out of bounds rules is appalling.
Last touch would be significantly worse.
Its peak was in the 90s and early 2000s before they started changing it to manipulate game outcomes.
Last touch would be significantly worse.
Its peak was in the 90s and early 2000s before they started changing it to manipulate game outcomes.
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If you don't like manipulating game outcomes, why would you be against last touch? Last touch is objective and unable to be manipulated.
I just think its awful.
I want contested ball and players to try to keep the ball moving.
Watching players deliberately not pick the ball up because they're gonna get a kick if they let it roll over I find terrible, and getting rid of boundary line throw ins (no Ryder2Gray moments) and all the structuring work that goes on around them is also bad. It reduces the value of rucks and stoppage play and increases the value of kicking under no pressure.
Also just from a positioning standpoint a team that manages to move the ball 100m forward should be rewarded for that in terms of how they can shift their players up in to offensive positions, not have to go back and start again while the opposition has a kick in back over their heads.
The alternative is umpires using their mind reading powers to judge a player's intent or
I agree
It's just being pushed by SNAFL sycophants trying to find some relevance for their shite league
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Just get rid of the insufficient intent rule. It goes over, its a throw in.
The tinkering of rules to try and construct a 'perfect' game style never works because it just gives players and coaches another line they can play close to, or cross.
If someone wants to get the ball over the line as a strategic advantage, so be it.
Opposition coaches will then deploy tactics to stop it.
The tinkering of rules to try and construct a 'perfect' game style never works because it just gives players and coaches another line they can play close to, or cross.
If someone wants to get the ball over the line as a strategic advantage, so be it.
Opposition coaches will then deploy tactics to stop it.
Yes which is also awful and while on average I'd say slightly better, there is no doubt in some games certainly worse. The free kick for HH's handball in the 2020 prelim against Richmond probably being the worst ever in terms of manipulating an outcome and being a terrible call.
Its why the older rules which gave the players the benefit of the doubt unless it was blatant was in my eyes the closest we ever got to good.
Honestly I agree with most of this post but I think its been bad for at least 10-15 years now. It was the 90s and 00s where it somewhat worked.
And when that player has a Geelong guernsey on that line is a massive curve that seems to extend ever outwards. When they have a Port guernsey on its an absolute straight line and if it gets even sneezed on then its time for the AFL to put their foot down and send a message.
What in your mind is the difference between umpires awarding a free for 'insufficient intent' to keep the ball in play and awarding a free for 'deliberately' putting it out of bounds?
Because both are just opposite sides of the same coin in my view - umpires required to make a judgement call on players intentions. The introduction of the 'insufficient intent' to keep the ball in play was aimed at making the spirit and purpose of the out of bounds rule clearer to all. Yes, wrong calls are made and yes there are inconsistencies between umpires and games for the same type of incident but the same can be said about almost every free awarded in play.
BTW The AFL Laws of the Game Committee started tightening the rules around the deliberate out of bounds rule almost a decade ago. Exactly because of coaches, players and spectators expressing concern about how and when an out of bounds free was paid.
Good discussion here - from 2017 - where the idea of the 'last possession' rule is also discussed.
Show intent, or pay the price: AFL
League reiterates strong stance on deliberate out of bounds rule
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I've hated that rule ever since the SANFL brought it in.
Most ridiculous, idiotic rule ever devised.
Why I rarely go to any State league games any more.
Even when it looks straight forward to adjudicate, the umps can overturn it based on "I didn't see it clearly enough to confirm who touched it last, so throw it in" or else "hey boundary ump, I know you say it's a throw in, but I reckon a player from team 'A' touched it, even if no one else did, so I'm saying it's a free kick".
Facical nonsense.
Its the benefit of the doubt to the player. Its innocent until proven guilty as opposed to a bouquet of evidence.
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It would be just like the AFL to bring in a new rule to "fix" an issue with a previous new rule they introduced to "fix" an issue that didn't even exist.
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I hate last touch.
If we had a game that wasn't dominated by imperfection, ie. an awkward bounce, tricky skills, etc. Like Basketball or Soccer, then I'd get it. but ours it doesn't make sense.
I see a clearance contest on the wing, under pressure we win it and a handball misses a target and rolls out, bang free to the other team. You're streaming forward to a crowded forward line, you kick to your player, miss them by a meter it goes out and bang free. There's just so many examples where last touch interferes with the game.
If we had a game that wasn't dominated by imperfection, ie. an awkward bounce, tricky skills, etc. Like Basketball or Soccer, then I'd get it. but ours it doesn't make sense.
I see a clearance contest on the wing, under pressure we win it and a handball misses a target and rolls out, bang free to the other team. You're streaming forward to a crowded forward line, you kick to your player, miss them by a meter it goes out and bang free. There's just so many examples where last touch interferes with the game.
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