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Review Positives and Negatives vs Saints

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Hey guys trying to figure the 7 players involved in the passage of play that led to our last goal, but the 2nd player in the chain has me stumped.
Hill handballs to ?, ? Handballs to Aish, Aish handballs Walters, Walters kicks Acres, Acres handballs Banfield, Banfield kicks Schulz, Schulz goals.
Hard to pick the number, but looks to me like Taylin Duman.
 
Serong at 3 & Young at 4!
Serong equals Robbie Gray according to that. If we then take Young's best comparison I've heard (choice of Pendlebury or Birchall) then it looks pretty good for us.

After fielding a backline of short people and winning.I don't see many negatives coming out of that result.
So many have stood tall down back this year with basically all our talls and key defenders out.
A great team effort.
The first quarter? The comback was amazeballs but that first quarter...

If we find a way to do what we normally do for 3 quarters for the full game we are going to win more than we lose. Especially if we get some key players back.
 
Serong equals Robbie Gray according to that. If we then take Young's best comparison I've heard (choice of Pendlebury or Birchall) then it looks pretty good for us.


The first quarter? The comback was amazeballs but that first quarter...

If we find a way to do what we normally do for 3 quarters for the full game we are going to win more than we lose. Especially if we get some key players back.


I just had a thought, was JLo at West Coast the year that they lost their 3 KPD's in the preseason and were written off by all and sundry but they went small and it paid off? I reckon he would've been.
 

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I just had a thought, was JLo at West Coast the year that they lost their 3 KPD's in the preseason and were written off by all and sundry but they went small and it paid off? I reckon he would've been.
Yep and also at the Pies when they lost tall timber in defense.
 
Serong equals Robbie Gray according to that. If we then take Young's best comparison I've heard (choice of Pendlebury or Birchall) then it looks pretty good for us.


The first quarter? The comback was amazeballs but that first quarter...

If we find a way to do what we normally do for 3 quarters for the full game we are going to win more than we lose. Especially if we get some key players back.
The first quarter, was a case of working together to get it right.We didn't do it, but we recovered to become a unified unit.
We have had to learn on the run with all our tall backs out.Look at Logues improvement.
 
The first quarter, was a case of working together to get it right.We didn't do it, but we recovered to become a unified unit.
We have had to learn on the run with all our tall backs out.Look at Logues improvement.
The positives you are describing are all from the subsequent quarters which I admit were very impressive.

The first quarter itself (seriously I would bet good money not a single Freo fan enjoyed it) was diabolical and we seem to have a similar standard quarter each game. I am sure we are working on it but clearly this is an issue.
 
How long does it take to learn to play 4 quarters? Apparently Carlton just worked it out.
 
The AFL has to get with the times though & bring in a concussion sub. If it’s good enough for cricket! Unfair on us to be 1 down because of the oppositions actions that will ultimately cost him 3 weeks, but that didn’t help us on the weekend.
Obviously the negative is clubs may try to fake a concussion to bring in a fresh player, but the fines should be extreme & a neutral doctor should be at the venue.
Should be a red card.
 

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Should be a red card.

The thought of Margetts, Fisher and Dalgleish being able to send players off willy nilly should make people's blood run cold.

Should be an automatic eye-for-an-eye type situation: if you go on report for something that takes an opposition player out of the game, you should be obliged to sit the game out as well.
 
Well done on the win. Amazing fightback. Life as a saints fan never gets easier.

Gracious in defeat, not an easy thing - Well done mate 👍

Your q1 attitude, skills and goal sense would have blown any team out of the water. That is something to build on plus players wanting to trade in to your club, maybe your time in the sun is coming 'round again 🤔
 
The positives you are describing are all from the subsequent quarters which I admit were very impressive.

The first quarter itself (seriously I would bet good money not a single Freo fan enjoyed it) was diabolical and we seem to have a similar standard quarter each game. I am sure we are working on it but clearly this is an issue.
Of course it was uncomfortable, but with Pearce .Hamling Logue and Cox out,our back line was always going to be under pressure.As it will be this week.
 
Of course it was uncomfortable, but with Pearce .Hamling Logue and Cox out,our back line was always going to be under pressure.As it will be this week.
If that was a sufficient excuse then the same thing would have happened in the other 3 quarters. We clearly showed after quarter time that we could make it work regardless which just highlights how dire the first quarter was.
 

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I'm not sure St Kilda actually won a clearance in the first quarter, Sonny got them their first and there was significant whistle impact on clearances for the rest of that quarter. We basically started the game at half back for that whole quarter, except half our team was still trying to run to get in front of the St Kilda attacking ball movement.
 
Should be a red card.

I get you’re point but stop tinkering with the rules for awhile. Things are fine. If we all freak out every time there’s a debatable call you go down a road where you create a hyper accountable and zero tolerance sport. This leads to the ruining of a sport ie. The NFL. There are yellow flags thrown every single okay. Then the red flags. Then a replay. Then a beer commercial. Then another yellow flag and more replays. Then a truck commercial. Then another yellow flag. I’ve been watching American football for 30 years and we no longer know what a catch is. Let the players play and let the umps do their job. It’s a human game officiated by humans. We make mistakes. the clubs don’t worry about the umps. You don’t hear the coaches or players complain. If you’re more concerned with how a game is officiated than how it is played you’re focusing on the wrong things imo. Freo played a hell of a game and the coach coached a hell of a game. We are building something good here. Let’s move on.




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The way the AFL works, and generally the wider world, is that if we put in place a rule that allowed an umpire to send off a player after certain actions were deemed unacceptable and it being unacceptable for that punishment to follow the game then we will have a circumstance where a player goes in to win the ball, has hands on the ball and only ever eyes for the ball but gets sent off because the opposition player is "knocked out".

The umpire gets swept up in the emotion and sends off the ball winner, the "knocked out" player then bravely returns to the field 20 mins later after passing the concussion test and replays show no head high contact at all.

Every rule you put in place will be adapted to get a win. Head high free kicks lead to dropping the shoulder and drawing the contact high. These guys already back into oncoming traffic, they will put their body on the line for a free kick and even more for an opponent to be sent off.

It doesn't happen often enough to warrant a risk of it going wrong, I think we get one a year where our player is taken out for a game and the opposition player gets suspended for it.
 
The way the AFL works, and generally the wider world, is that if we put in place a rule that allowed an umpire to send off a player after certain actions were deemed unacceptable and it being unacceptable for that punishment to follow the game then we will have a circumstance where a player goes in to win the ball, has hands on the ball and only ever eyes for the ball but gets sent off because the opposition player is "knocked out".

The umpire gets swept up in the emotion and sends off the ball winner, the "knocked out" player then bravely returns to the field 20 mins later after passing the concussion test and replays show no head high contact at all.

Every rule you put in place will be adapted to get a win. Head high free kicks lead to dropping the shoulder and drawing the contact high. These guys already back into oncoming traffic, they will put their body on the line for a free kick and even more for an opponent to be sent off.

It doesn't happen often enough to warrant a risk of it going wrong, I think we get one a year where our player is taken out for a game and the opposition player gets suspended for it.
A sin bin? 10 mins, one man down. Decent punishment to deter reckless play without crucifying player and team.
 
A sin bin? 10 mins, one man down. Decent punishment to deter reckless play without crucifying player and team.


The game has run totally fine without a sin bin or card system for 100 years. The game is cleaner that it has ever been (And getting cleaner) so why would they need to bring it in now? They don’t. Absolutely not required.
 
It would be a knee jerk reaction that will backfire. Just like their three strike policy on non-suspension strikes resulting in a suspension was a great idea until it backfired as a star player was banned for their third strike and they asked "is that really worth a week??"

If they want to stamp it out of the game, add weighting at the tribunal for extra missed games. That has worked well enough.
 

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