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Back: Thornton O’Hailpin Walker

Half Back: Whitnall Waite Scotland

Centre: Simpson Gibbs Houlihan

Half Forward: Cloke Kennedy Lappin

Forward: Betts Fevola Fisher

Followers: Ackland Stevens (c) Murphy

Interchange: Carrazzo Russell Mclaren Koutoufides

Emergency: Hartlett Wiggins Bentick Grigg


The Backline

Our previously leaky defence has been shored up by adding Whitnall and Waite to Thornton and O’Hailpin. All four are capable of taking a key position/ tall forward (say against a side like Sydney with Hall, O’Loughlin, O’Keefe and Richards), and excitingly, Thornton, O’Hailpin, Walker, Waite and Scotland can all provide run out of defence. Thornton will relish not having to play full back all year. He has great composure with the ball. O’Hailpin is learning, and I’m sure he will get towelled up a few times this year but in the long run he will be a very good defender. Excited to see him progress this year. Walker is, for mine, a disappointment. I feel sorry for him because I think that Pagan has killed his confidence by forcing him to play ultra defensive football for the majority of his career. He is a sublime athlete, and is still potentially a very exciting footballer. Unfortunately, his foot skills are terrible. Needs to improve these asap. I laughed the other day when someone on this site compared him to Lindsay Gilbee – who is just about the best kick in the comp. Walker will still provide good run from defence as well as do good defensive jobs for us, but for a number two draft pick I would hope for more. Waite was very impressive in defence during the recent intra club match. Whitnall as we all know is a highly creative and experienced defender – and he can be used as another tall forward against sides with less threatening forward lines. Scotland will hopefully have another excellent season like last year. He is one of our few players who hits targets. Overall, I think this backline will concede far fewer goals this season, as well as providing many more attacking thrusts.

The Midfield

For a developing midfield, it’s not too bad. Simpson and Houlihan on the wings provide us with plenty of class, and I think Carazzo will be used through this position as well. The only query with these wingmen is their lack of size and marking ability. It would be nice to have a player such as Andrew Embley here, but wishful thinking isn’t going to help anyone.

Gibbs is a classic centreman. I will be disappointed if Pagan doesn’t play him as often as possible this year. He’s brilliant in the clearances, and he reads the play exceptionally well. In the practice match he cruised up and down the middle of the ground, and players were constantly finding him in the right spots. He looks perfectly balanced and his kicking technique is perfect. As good a number one draft pick as I’ve seen since Riewoldt (by default though - Judd was no.3).

Murphy is a ball magnet, simple as that. He will be tagged more frequently this year, it will be interesting to see how he deals with it. He has an uncanny knack of getting the ball. His disposal is already good enough, and I think it will improve as he plays more AFL footy.

We need a good season from Ackland. We are lucky to get a bloke who has so much senior experience. He looked massive the other day, and he needs to throw his weight around to protect and give confidence to Murphy and Gibbs. Mclaren is an average player at best, but Ackland cannot ruck all game, and Mclaren is our only other ruckman (Hampson’s legs are another big pre season away). Expect an 80/20 split between the two in terms of game time, with Cloke to pinch hit on occasion. Massive strife if Ackland gets seriously injured.

Stevens and Koutoufides are the senior midfielders. Stevens is set for a big season. I reckon he should be given the top job. Whitnall will be a spare parts type player this season, and, to be frank, he is too much of an oaf to captain our proud club. Kouta is in the twilight of a glorious career. He will have limited game time this year, which is ok, because he is a gun in the clearances and he can still take a handy mark. A friend remarked to me the other day that he saw the empty shell of a cicada on a tree trunk and he was instantly reminded of Kouta. Anyway, I still think he is in our best 22. Russell might end up being our primary tagger this year, along with Walker.

Forward Line

Potential. Will rely heavily upon good delivery from our backline and midfield, as there is no big marking forward here. Fevola is best on the lead – he takes remarkably few overhead marks for a full forward. He relies on his ability to read the play (he is brilliant at this), and of course his super speed. Would love 60 goals from him this year. Fisher is a great overhead mark, but his kicking is genuinely atrocious. His technique is still all wrong – he cannot kick the ball straight. He will have a lot of shots at goal though, fingers crossed he kicks more than he misses. 30 goals from him would be excellent, but I think 15-20 is more realistic. Kennedy looks set for a big year, hopefully his body holds up. He is huge, but has a massive engine and covers a lot of ground. 20-30 goals, and an average of 7 marks from him would be a sensational second season for a future star of our club. Cloke is an interesting one. He looked lean last week, he seems to have shed a lot of his puppy fat. Hopefully he is someone Pagan can work well with. Pagan seems to operate well with dumb blokes (for example Fevola) so maybe he is the perfect coach for Cloke. I think he will add some size and grunt to our forward line, if he kicked a few goals and did some relief ruckwork as well he will be a handy acquisition. Don’t expect him to be a superstar though – he’s still only very young. Lappin and Betts will be our small forwards. We all know Eddie’s typical crumbing role, but it seems as though he might have short bursts in the midfield as well this year. I expect him to have a good year. In my opinion Lappin should head back to the forward line this year, where it all started for him. He is another creative, smart player who is difficult to match up on, and who will create quite a few goals this year.

The Emergencies

These blokes are unlucky(ish) to miss out – but competition for spots is good! Harlett is impressive, Wiggins and Bentick are honest at best. Grigg didn’t look quite ready when I saw him last week – he needs to tear up the VFL for half a season before he gets a run. Hopefully he gets a run in the NAB Cup.

It would be nice to see Carlton score over 100 points 10-12 times this year. If we do this, we should win 8-10 games. I can see similarities between us and last years Hawthorn side. The Hawks has 9 wins and 13 losses and finished 11th. It would be great to see this happen. However, Pagan won’t coach us to our next premiership and I think we need to get rid of him at the end of the year, so if it means we have another poor season, get another top draft pick and sack Pagan, then I won’t be shattered. I’m sick of losing too, but I can now see light at the end of the tunnel. We have the nucleus of a very good side and there is a lot to be excited about.

Thoughts?
 
It would be stupid to play Gibbs in the middle straight away yes he has class and is a number on draft pick but his body is still immature for afl football. Murphy was far more physically developed then Gibbs this time last year and look what happened to murphy rd 13? I believe we should play Gibbs in our best 22 of he half forward flank with stints on the wing. People are putting to much pressure on Gibbs without even seeing him play a senior game. I believe Bentick has earned the right to play centre and would be able to hold down that postion comftorably through out the season. His too good of a player to leave out of the best twenty two.
 
It would be stupid to play Gibbs in the middle straight away yes he has class and is a number on draft pick but his body is still immature for afl football. Murphy was far more physically developed then Gibbs this time last year and look what happened to murphy rd 13? I believe we should play Gibbs in our best 22 off the half forward flank with stints on the wing. People are putting to much pressure on Gibbs without even seeing him play a senior game. I believe Bentick has earned the right to play centre and would be able to hold down that postion comftorably through out the season. His too good of a player to leave out of the best twenty two.
 
I believe it should look like this;

B: Scotland, O'hailpan, Walker

HB: Waite, Thornton, Russel

C: Lappin, Bentick, Simpson

HF: Whitnal, Kennedy, Gibbs

F: Betts, Fevola, Fisher

R: Ackland, Stevens, Murphy

I: Carazzo, Houlihan, Wiggins, Mclaren

Depth players: Blackwell(middle) Bower(defence) Cloke(ruck/forward) Grigg(defence/middle) Anderson(defence/middle) Hartlett(defence) Bansiter(defenc)

Thoughts?
 

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Also i would have Whitnall captain to say his a big ough! and it would be an insult to this proud club is a joke in itself he would be a great leader and it is a insult to the club to call him abig ough! you seem like a grade a CHUMP!:thumbsd:
 
Back: Thornton O’Hailpin Walker

Half Back: Whitnall Waite Scotland

Centre: Simpson Gibbs Houlihan

Half Forward: Cloke Kennedy Lappin

Forward: Betts Fevola Fisher

Followers: Ackland Stevens (c) Murphy

Interchange: Carrazzo Russell Mclaren Koutoufides

Emergency: Hartlett Wiggins Bentick Grigg




Thoughts?

Cloke before Wiggins? I pity the fool.
 
B: Saddington OHailpin Carazzo
HB: Scotland Waite Thornton
C: Simpson Bentick Walker
CHF: Whitnall Kennedy Houlihan
F: Lappin Fev Kouta
R: Ackland Murphy Stevens

B: Gibbs Fisher Cloke Russell

Carazzo is hard to place. I would want him in starting in the centre sqaure but that would required pushing Bentick, Murphy and Stevens out of there. Kouta obviously rotating through the midfield too.
Like the idea of the smart players (Lappin, Kouta, Whitnall, Houlihan) being up forward so they don't get in the way of Fev and Kennedy. It previous years it has been frustrating watching the poor use of space around Fev in the 50 metres arc.
I think Gibbs and Cloke on the bench are self explanatory. Quite a few competing for Fisher and Russells place on the bench (e.g. Blackwell, Betts, Bannister, Wiggins).
Nice to see so many competing for spots now. Guys like Hartlett, Bower, Anderson already looking likely to push for spots given training reports.
 
It would be stupid to play Gibbs in the middle straight away yes he has class and is a number on draft pick but his body is still immature for afl football. Murphy was far more physically developed then Gibbs this time last year and look what happened to murphy rd 13? I believe we should play Gibbs in our best 22 of he half forward flank with stints on the wing. People are putting to much pressure on Gibbs without even seeing him play a senior game. I believe Bentick has earned the right to play centre and would be able to hold down that postion comftorably through out the season. His too good of a player to leave out of the best twenty two.

I would've said the exact same thing a week ago, and then I went to the interclub match and saw Gibbs in action. He'll get plenty of time in the midfield this year, and based on what I saw he's a definate member of our senior midfield unit: Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Simpson and Scotland. Just a super talent.
 
I would've said the exact same thing a week ago, and then I went to the interclub match and saw Gibbs in action. He'll get plenty of time in the midfield this year, and based on what I saw he's a definate member of our senior midfield unit: Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Simpson and Scotland. Just a super talent.

He certainly looked at home in the midfield, and the way he and Murphy were teaming up together, well, I think my thoughts on this subject have been posted quite a few times.

What will be of interest during the year will be who oppositions teams tag during the game. Stevens will still get the oppositions best tagger you would think, then they would have to decide between Murphy, Simpson, Houlihan, Scotland, and possibly even Gibbs.
 
I would've said the exact same thing a week ago, and then I went to the interclub match and saw Gibbs in action. He'll get plenty of time in the midfield this year, and based on what I saw he's a definate member of our senior midfield unit: Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Simpson and Scotland. Just a super talent.

*drool*

A centre line of Walker, Murphy and Simpson.

Followers: Stevens and Blackwell

Half forward: Gibbs

Half back: Scotland

Now that is exciting.
 
The thread was entitled "Possible best 22", so don't get your knickers in a knot Braddles.

Having seen Gibbs play all last year in the SANFL (seniors) for Glenelg, and having seen him play last week, i think he is ready to play in the centre straight away.

As for Whitnall i understand it's a bit rough calling him an oaf. But he doesn't seem like the smartest bloke to me, that's all. And i'd rather have Stevens captain. But these are only my humble opinions.

I forgot Blackwell - but he'd want to have some solid NAB cup form to get a game in round one.

And i would rather Cloke on the HFF than Chief Wiggins, but i may well be proved very wrong. To be honest, neither of them are going to be world beaters.
 
We must have Waite on the wing. Although he has the build to be a KPP he in fact doesn't play like one.
He will enjoy the wing as that allows him to be offensive and defensive as the gain requires.
Therefore my 22 are;
Backs: Scotland Hartlett Saddington
Half Backs: Thornton O'hAlpin Houlihan
Centre; Walker Stephens Waite
Half Forwards Simpson Kennedy Whitnall
Forwards; Cloke Fevola Betts
Rucks; Ackland , Bentick, Murphy

Reserves; Fisher, Gibbs, Wiggins, Bower
 
Mokbel,

Your comments are both accurate and thought provoking.

I particularly liked your remarks about your friend who thinks Kouta (dinkus) is finished. He sounds like a cool guy.

Definitely agree with Lappin in the forward pocket. Edward Betts is the most overrated player in the AFL (apart from Matthew Lokan). Defensive pressure not as good as perceived, fitness atrocious.

As for the posts defending Wiggins... I agree that Wiggo is serviceable, and definitely has a role to play, but his scope is 2-3 years at best. He will do a job for us this year, but I think his days are numbered.

Gibbs - 100% correct. Will play, will star.

Captaincy - Stevens is the biggest certainty since Sircolo in the last at Eagle Farm yesterday. Whitnall, whilst not necessarily an oaf, is a great clubman, but I think Stevo's improved fitness and general attitude that I saw at the intra-club indicates that he wants/deserves that captaincy.

Grigg = Pig. Again I agree, Grigga is not quite ready. Moved very nicely, but I would rather get some quality game time out of Russell/Blackwell before throwing the Piggery into the senior side. He will definitely be a very good player in the long run, however.

Cloke surprised me. Really impressed with his game.

Saddington, didn't do enough in my book. I genuinely think that those who awarded him BOG won't watching the same game. Fev killed him on the lead.

Ryan "I am a Silken Hoop, and I'm Gonna Stick It Up All You Negative Carlton Supporters" Houlihan was clearly BOG, and will dominate this year. Bigger body, more talk, harder approach. Is becoming a leader.

Also very pleased with Hartlett, who should slot in nicely. Not necessarily sure about playing both him and Bower in the same back 6, as both talented but raw, but this is a good quandry to have.

All in all, the future is extremely bright for this great club, and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future.

Good job!:thumbsu:

PS. Bench: Pig, Piggins, Pig-Pentick <insert pig>.
 

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We must have Waite on the wing. Although he has the build to be a KPP he in fact doesn't play like one.
He will enjoy the wing as that allows him to be offensive and defensive as the gain requires.
Therefore my 22 are;
Backs: Scotland Hartlett Saddington
Half Backs: Thornton O'hAlpin Houlihan
Centre; Walker Stephens Waite
Half Forwards Simpson Kennedy Whitnall
Forwards; Cloke Fevola Betts
Rucks; Ackland , Bentick, Murphy

Reserves; Fisher, Gibbs, Wiggins, Bower

Surely Lappin will be in our best 22...
 
I Agee with you as well .
I think Pagan needs to look at the player's that want to really play football and put in if not replace them with some one that is willing too.
That way we will get a good team together.
He needs to be hard in his decisions from now on.
Give the young blokes a fair go as well instead of 1 game and then out.
They won't learn that way.
Loking forward to the Season.
 
Surely Lappin will be in our best 22...
Yep, I realise he should be in but I'm trying to choose a side which has a balance of Youth, Experience, Height (Tall & Small) pace and skills.
If we keep playing Kouta & Lappin it doesn't provide game time for the young inexperienced players.
Therefore I've tried to have an experienced player around non expereinced players.
e.g on the backline I have Hartlett at full back but Scotland & Saddington around him.
At CHB I have O'hAlpin with Thornton & Houlihan around him.
The forward line doesn't seem to have that problem as we have a reasonable amount of experience and Youth.
So, I'm not leaving Kouta & Skinny out all together as they will get a number of games through the year.
Your point is taken though.:thumbsu:
 
I'm pretty sure our CHB line will look something like Waite, O'hAilpin, Thornton.

Saddington as fullback. They were full of praise for him last night, he did really really well on fev apparently.

Then we have Bower as well who can run around.

Maybe

B: Bower, Saddington, Thornton
HB: O'hailpin, Waite, Scotland?
 
Best 22 by position and Team Balance.

B: Thornton O'hailpin Scottland
HB: Waite Saddinton Walker

The backline is a very tall but versatile component of the side, all these teams members can man up and provide excellent rebound on any opponent. The positions would obviously switch depending on match ups.

C: Simpson Carrazzo Fisher

Very solid centre line that boast speed, skill and endurance. Simpson would play his natural game, breaking the lines with run and penetrating kicking. Carrotts IMO is the perfect Centre, he is robust, brave and runs all day. He never shirks a issue and has a very good defensive side to his game. Fisher would drift forward and back, with a focus on dragging his opponent to strategic areas of the ground.

HF: Gibbs Kennedy Houlihan
F: Lappin Fevola Whitnall

Kennedy would of course play the work horse, which is a position that he relishes. Gibbs and Hoops would rotate through the centre but would use their quality disposal to supply the F50. Lappin would return to the role he made so successful, he would provide a very effective crumbing option but is also another leading/marking option. Fev would play his usual role out of the goal square. Lance would have a license to roam around the ground as he sees fit, his focus would be to create another option out of defense and in the F50 while creating space for team mates. He would go deep into defense when we are under siege.

R: Ackland Stevens Murphy

Ackland will of course be first ruck and will rest at FF allowing Fev to play a Carey type role FF approx 40-50m out from goal. Stevens will be back to his early form with a full preseason, he will run, run and run some more. He will rotate off the bench and at HFF with Hoops. Murphy will rotate off the bench and with Walker when possible.

INT: Kouta, Cloke, Bower, Russell

Kouta would rotate off the bench and would be a impact player either in the Mid or F50. Cloke would play as 2nd Ruck and could be used up forward to stretch some sides for defensive height. Bower is the interchange backman but he could also spend time on a wing while he developes, he will over time replace Saddington. Russell to be rotated through the centre and back line, he could also be used in various run with roles including playing as a defensive forward.
 
FB: O'hAlpin Bower Saddington
HB: Walker Waite Thornton
C: Simpson Scotland Gibbs
HF: Lappin Kennedy Whitnall
FF: Fisher Fevola Betts
FOL: Acland Stevens Murphy
INT: Koutoufides Bentick Cloke Carrazzo
EMG: Russell Houlihan Wiggins Blackwell

Backline is tall and mobile. Midfiled has some zip and some class. Forward line offers three marking targets, a short who plays tall in Fish and two excellent crumbers. Interchange has some height and some pace. Plenty of oppotunity to enter Skinny, Kouta, Bentick, Walker and Carrots into the middle if needs be.

Bower at FB might be a contentious one, but i think he'll be blooded through a la Zac Dawson at the Hawks last year. If he has Kingsley in round 1 i think he can do the job, might keep him off the bigger guys for a year (Richo, Hall, Pav etc).
 

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Best 22 by position and Team Balance.

B: Thornton O'hailpin Scottland
HB: Waite Saddinton Walker
C: Simpson Carrazzo Fisher
HF: Gibbs Kennedy Houlihan
F: Lappin Fevola Whitnall
R: Ackland Stevens Murphy
INT: Kouta, Cloke, Bower, Russell

Reckon thats not far off the mark BF :thumbsu: , with Fisher and Gibbs rotating.
Russell fighting for that last bench spot with many including Blackwell, Bentick, Jackson, Grigg, Anderson.
Hamspon to overtake Cloke as number 2 ruck by Rnd 12.
Aisake and Hampson to be 1 and 2 by start 2009
 
I'm pretty sure our CHB line will look something like Waite, O'hAilpin, Thornton.

Saddington as fullback. They were full of praise for him last night, he did really really well on fev apparently.

Then we have Bower as well who can run around.

Maybe

B: Bower, Saddington, Thornton
HB: O'hailpin, Waite, Scotland?

That half back line is WAY too tall AWG...
 
I believe he'll mostly be playing as a running defender.

He played very well tagging last year. Reckon his best game was against the Dogs.........anyone remember seeing Eagleton that day.........Hoops does - wore him like a glove.
 
B: Saddington OHailpin Carazzo
HB: Scotland Waite Thornton
C: Simpson Bentick Walker
CHF: Whitnall Kennedy Houlihan
F: Lappin Fev Kouta
R: Ackland Murphy Stevens

B: Gibbs Fisher Cloke Russell



I think this team looks the most possible side, with Waite now to be forced back its time Whitnall returned the forward line
 

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