Possible ruck solution

[DaveW]

David Loats? Oh please, he is rubbish.

Frankly I like the McKernan suggestion better.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Frankly I like the McKernan suggestion better.

He is off to Kangas for David Teague and 3rd round pick.

I would rather go after Laycock, Seaby or Jamar.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I would love Laycock, that bloke will develop into one very good ruckman who can also play as key forward. Seaby would be good as well but I think it would be Loats ater reading this paragraph on AFL.com Street will be a Bulldog and Mooney is not a ruckman so I would say Loats is the likely choice. Doesn't fill me with a lot of excitement but anyone is better than Marsh.

I can't believe that we would trade for Loats.

Strikes me as being a younger version of Marsh.

I think you're correct that they have their eyes on a specific ruckman, though. Pilko kept asking KG on 5AA this morning repeatedly who was the ruckman that the Crows were chasing but KG just wouldn't answer him. KG does get told more than most because he does keep things secret until he gets the green light to reveal it.

There's not a lot around though. Charman would be a good get, but I can't see Brisbane letting him go.

Cox or Seaby seem to be the only ones around that are worth trading for.

Seaby would be my preference, but I could live with Cox.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I can't believe that we would trade for Loats.

Strikes me as being a younger version of Marsh.

I think you're correct that they have their eyes on a specific ruckman, though. Pilko kept asking KG on 5AA this morning repeatedly who was the ruckman that the Crows were chasing but KG just wouldn't answer him. KG does get told more than most because he does keep things secret until he gets the green light to reveal it.

There's not a lot around though. Charman would be a good get, but I can't see Brisbane letting him go.

Cox or Seaby seem to be the only ones around that are worth trading for.

Seaby would be my preference, but I could live with Cox.

So KG knows something. You are right about him having a lot of good sources and he WILL keep quiet until they tell him to let it out.

As I said Loats doen't fill me with excitement at all. I have seen him play 1 good game (against Port earlier in the season) in his entire career.

Interesting about Charman. Ch 7 said that Mal Michael, Power and Lappin (????) agreed to new terms with the Lions but nothing about Charman who is out of contract.

Maybe we are barking up the wrong tree. Maybe its Beau McDonald

I would love Seaby or Laycock but it is very unlikely that Eagles and Bombers respectively, would entertain trading them

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Interesting about Charman. Ch 7 said that Mal Michael, Power and Lappin (????) agreed to new terms with the Lions but nothing about Charman who is out of contract.

Maybe we are barking up the wrong tree. Maybe its Beau McDonald

I would love Seaby or Laycock but it is very unlikely that Eagles and Bombers respectively, would entertain trading them

I hope it's Charman.

McDonald is only 23 coming up 24, but is very injury prone, and doesn't get a lot of the ball around the ground - see his stats below up until this year when he only added another 9 games.

CAREER STATISTICS


Year Games Kicks Marks H/Balls Poss
1998 3 4.7 1.3 2.3 7.0
1999 3 1.3 0.7 0.7 2.0
2000 22 5.0 3.2 2.9 8.0
2001 23 3.2 1.3 2.8 6.0
2002 15 2.7 2.0 3.3 6.0
Total 66 3.7 2.1 2.8 6.5

2.1 marks per game and 6.5 disposals per game is not what we're looking for, although as a ruckman, he is a good ruckman.

Essendon have always struggled to have ruckmen, and although Hille came on well this year, they won't trade Laycock IMO - he's needed.

So unless we fluke Charman, Stiffy, I think it has to be one of the two West Coast Eagles players.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
McDonald is only 23 coming up 24, but is very injury prone, and doesn't get a lot of the ball around the ground - see his stats below up until this year when he only added another 9 games.

Better not be McDonald - he is a poor man's Matty Clarke - like Clarke does buggar all around the ground & is a worse tap ruckman. Surely Reidy & Co realise we need a ruckman who can do stuff around the ground.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I hope it's Charman.

So do I

McDonald is only 23 coming up 24, but is very injury prone, and doesn't get a lot of the ball around the ground - see his stats below up until this year when he only added another 9 games.

McDonald is a VERY good tap ruckman BUT does bugger all around the ground. Not what we are really looking for but he is WAY better than Marsh

Essendon have always struggled to have ruckmen, and although Hille came on well this year, they won't trade Laycock IMO - he's needed.

I agree. They would be mad to let him go but we can always ask politely

So unless we fluke Charman, Stiffy, I think it has to be one of the two West Coast Eagles players.

Cox or Seaby?????? Or it could be someone like Mark Porter or god forbid Steven McKee

Please let it be Charman

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Or it could be someone like Mark Porter or god forbid Steven McKee

Did you know Stiffy that Collingwood actually approached the Crows, knowing that we were looking for a ruckman, and tried to unload that dud Mckee on us.

We very politely refused.

It won't be Mark Porter - I'd put money on that.

My other fear is Barnaby bloody French - we don't want that dud either.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Did you know Stiffy that Collingwood actually approached the Crows, knowing that we were looking for a ruckman, and tried to unload that dud Mckee on us.

We very politely refused.

Yeah I heard that and I couldn't stop laughing. How could they possibly think that a ruckman who can't make their side would be welcome at AFC??????

My other fear is Barnaby bloody French - we don't want that dud either.

I think its a possibility. His name has been whispered around the traps lately but not from my usual source. He is a dud but a dud of higher "quality" than Marsh.

I would prefer someone younger.

 

[DaveW]

Grrrr... we are after Loats. Get serious Adelaide. We should be recruiting for quality.

I'm also appalled but not surprised that Bassett is in the trade bait category.

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,7573933-23211,00.html

Crows cast net for Hawk
By Michelangelo Rucci
October 16, 2003

UNCONTRACTED Hawthorn ruckman David Loats may answer one of Adelaide's wishlist items as the Crows continue a low-key approach to AFL trade week.

Loats, 22 and an 11-game player with the Hawks, has been handed a new offer by Hawthorn but so far has not indicated whether he wants to remain Peter Everitt's understudy or move on.

This has prompted Adelaide to ask Hawthorn's position on trading Loats.

Adelaide football operations manager John Reid last night confirmed the Crows' interest in Loats as a potential addition to the ruck crew of Matthew Clarke, Rhett Biglands and the out-of-contract Ben Marsh.

"It is no secret we are looking for a ruckman who will emerge with time and also be ready to go if we need him," Reid said. "Loats fits that category.

"But while we are interested, we also need there to be a realistic evaluation from Hawthorn on how the trade would happen. We'll only talk if there is a realistic trade."

Hawthorn football operations manager John Hook yesterday declared Loats must decide his future.

"It's not up to us now; we've put a new contract to his manager but he hasn't told us what he is doing yet," Hook said. "If he wants to go, he will have to tell us soon."

Adelaide is increasingly likely to be without a trade by Friday's 1.30pm deadline after attracting little interest in its bait list which reportedly has included defender Nathan Bassett, Martin Mattner and Michael Doughty.

The Advertiser

 

[Stiffy_18]

At least he is only 22 and has played a couple of good games.

Anyone is better than Ben Marsh. Not really surprised by Bassett as being trade bait but if he does go (which looks unlikely) then we have no FB unless we transform Biglands into one.

I just get the feeling that we will get out of this trade period empty handed because these big deals are taking too bloody long

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I just get the feeling that we will get out of this trade period empty handed because these big deals are taking too bloody long

Wouldn't be the end of the world if so. We have a decent squad and we will just then have to suplement it with some youngsters in the draft.

NO point trading for trading's sake.

 

[blighty]

Rehn would be the source for the interest in Loats.......

You'd reckon if he said he was a dud they wouldn't show any further interest!

from that we can deduce he's worth chasing !!

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

Originally posted by Jars458
Wouldn't be the end of the world if so. We have a decent squad and we will just then have to suplement it with some youngsters in the draft.

NO point trading for trading's sake.

I agree! Unless we can get a quality defender, or a quality young ruckman, there isn't too much point in getting heavily involved in the trade. I don't see us getting either of these.

We don't have too many weaknesses in our squad. We've got a good defence, good midfield, 2 good rucks and if our forward line can stay fit in 2004 we should be a high scoring team. The only person we really need to trade is our coach.

In the midfield: McLeod, Goodwin, Ladhams and Bode had poor seasons compared to 2002. If 2 of these guys have better seasons then we'll be laughing.

In defence: McGregor and Johncock will continue to get better, Hart, Edwards and Smart are always reliable

Ruck: As much as we like to have a go at them, we have 2 of the best rucks going around. Hopefully they can stay fit most of the season.

Forward: Imagine having Carey, Stevens, Perrie and Welsh all fit and playing at the same time! What team, apart from maybe Brisbane could contain 4 tall forwards all capable of kicking 40+ goals?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Jars458
Wouldn't be the end of the world if so. We have a decent squad and we will just then have to suplement it with some youngsters in the draft.

NO point trading for trading's sake.

I agree Jars that we should not be trading for players for the sake of it.

However, I believe we should be trading some (2) of our fringe midfielders away, even if it is just for mid-round picks, so we can bring through our next generation of players (Reilly, Schuback, etc) & plan for the future generation too, by injecting some new talent.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin

However, I believe we should be trading some (2) of our fringe midfielders away, even if it is just for mid-round picks, so we can bring through our next generation of players (Reilly, Schuback, etc) & plan for the future generation too, by injecting some new talent.

And you're right IMO. Makes very good sense.

 

[maccas_no1]

Okay have a couple of queries about this Loates lad as I have never seen him play, Is he Sth Aussie????? If he isnt will he play his entire career at the AFC or are we going to develope him into a great ruckman only to lose him in say 5-6 yrs time when he gets 'home sick'??????? I know we need a good ruck solution but I feel at the minute we have two very capable ruckman, I think we really need to get Biglands playing more around the ground, by that I mean instead of benching him when he isnt rucking give him a rest up forward let him develop his marking and kicking skills, he is tall and resonably strong give Biglands a chance to become an Ottens type player

 

[Stiffy_18]

No Loats is NOT Sth Aussie.

You are right we have 2 good ruckman but thats the problem, we have bugger all depth.

I am not a big fan of Loats BUT surely he would be better than Marsh. Loats is an athletic 200 cm ruckman and is only 22. If we get him we would have a developing ruckman that can play AFL if one of our big man goes down. I would still say he is better to have on the list than Marsh.

If we get Loats for say Gallagher and still draft a young ruckman n the draft, I would be happy.

This would mean we get rid off Marsh of course

 

[Thunderstruck]

Pfft Loats. What on earth for? We are supposed to be solving our problems and looking for answers not making more problems with more answers to answer for!!

He is better than Marsh but only just.

Parry is a fine size and while he aint tall at 194cm he has a great leap and is agressive which will be enough to see him succeed. White is 195cm, Barnes 193cm, Goodes 194cm etc etc. While he wouldnt come near these guys in terms of talent, he'd be a much better option than Loats...really come on, get serious guys!

 

[maccas_no1]

Agree Stiffy he would be a better option than Marsh, I just dont want the AFC to go for the 'band aid' option that we may have to fix when the lad gets 'homesick' What is the status with Jamie Charman??????

 

[Thunderstruck]

Cox would be a fine solution but we'd have to trade a bit to get him. He is prolly going to be better than Charman, works around the ground well, kicks goals and gets a tonne of hitouts and is 204cm and still young.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Thunderstruck
Cox would be a fine solution but we'd have to trade a bit to get him. He is prolly going to be better than Charman, works around the ground well, kicks goals and gets a tonne of hitouts and is 204cm and still young.

Cox would be good BUT we would have to trade our 1st round pick at least to get him.

Loats wouldn't cost much but he actually MIGHT develop into a decent ruckman. I have only seen him play 3 games and he did impress me against Port earlier this year in shocking conditions.

I think the strategy for us this year is to get something that will help us without selling the farm. Loats is no superstar but he is better than Marsh