Post World Cup Test XI

[Team DJ]

When the WC is all said and done, it has to be time for Australia to clear out a lot of the players and start to rebuild. Give some youngsters 2 years of Cricket to have an assault on the next Ashes.
My XI
Marsh, Watson (c), Khwaja, Lynn, Clarke, Ferguson, Paine (wk), Lyon, Copeland, Pattinson, George. 12th Smith.

Around the Mark:
Maddsion, Hughes, White, Marsh (Mitch), OKeefe, Starc, Hazlewood, Hastings, Cummins.

This group of 20 would have 2 years together ready for the Ashes, and potentially many years ahead of them all playing together in the Aussie team.

 

[Selective Retention]

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I don't think we have to go overboard.

You'd think Ponting, Lee and Michael Hussey will retire from one day cricket.

Haddin and David Hussey shouldn't be in future plans.

Krejza isn't the spin answer.

The rest should stay around the squad.

Ok we are talking tests not ODIs, forget my team.

 

[Bucking Beads]

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Test team

Hughes
Watson
Khawaja
Clarke
Hussey
Paine
Smith
Butterworth
Johnson
Siddle
Copeland

O'Keefe

ODI team

Watson
Paine
Finch
Clarke
Ferguson
Marsh
Smith
Johnson
O'Keefe
Mckay
Bollinger

Hastings

 

[nicko99]

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few of those players you've selected aren't even specialist one day players.

 

[courtjester]

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Moving into the next twelve months, we will say goodbye to Ponting and Haddin from all forms I would imagine. I actually think we are in bad need of an overhaul, a pretty comprehensive one at that. Our test team has become mediocre, and as such it is time for youth with a few senior players. If Ponting goes, Clarke should get a fresh team to captain. I'd look at:

Test Team

N. Maddinson
U. Khawaja
S. Watson
S. Marsh
M. Clarke
M. Hussey
T. Paine
S. O'Keefe/ N. Hauritz
M. Starc
J. Hazelwood
B. Hilfenhaus

One Day Team

S. Watson
B. Hodge
A. Finch
M. Clarke
M. Hussey
J. Hopes (cannot believe he is not at WC)
T. Paine
N. Hauritz
B. Lee
M. Starc
S. Tait

T/20

D. Warner
S. Watson
B. Hodge
A. Finch
C. White
M. Hussey
T. Paine
S. O'Keefe
M. Johnson
B. Lee
S. Tait

 

[Axel.]

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ODI

Watson
Wade/Paine
Finch
Clarke
S. Marsh/Ferguson/White/Smith
S. Marsh/Ferguson/White/Smith
O'Keefe
Johnson
McKay
Pattinson
Hazelwood

Test

Hughes
Watson
Khawaja
Clarke
Marsh
Paine/Wade
O'Keefe
Johnson
Siddle
Butterworth/Pattinson/Copeland/Bollinger
Butterworth/Pattinson/Copeland/Bollinger

 

[Bomber Bears]

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god help us if Tim 'one century in first class cricket' Paine is in our top 6.

 

[pluga_4]

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i'm guessin the 3 odi series v bangladesh starting next week or so, they'll just mainly take the same squad (unless someone mysteriously is rested).

i'd say paine, ferguson, hastings, bollinger will get game time though.

the side may be reassessed after the bangladesh series when they have a few months to sort it out.

 

[Hellgood]

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Test's

P Hughes (give him another chance since he finished the year so well)
S Watson (obviously)
U Khawaja (our next number three - like the look of him)
S Marsh (His best spot in the longer forms would be down the order a bit, deserves a go)
M Clarke (Had a bad summer, can't handle batting at 4, but one of the best batsman in Australia)
C Ferguson (It's time to get him in the test team and see how he goes)
T Paine (not convinced he is better than Wade, but he has done well at international level, therefore gets first go)
S O'Keefe (probably our best spin option + is a handy batsman)
M Johnson (matchwinner or spud?, keep him in there)
P Siddle (was pretty good during the Ashes, we need players like him)
T Copeland (needs a chance. Best bowler in shield cricket at the moment and exactly what our attack needs)

It's time to say goodbye to Katich, Hussey, Ponting and Haddin. It's sad but we must start the renewal process as soon as possible. Cameron White isn't a viable option in the middle order unless he has an amazing shield season next year. Maddison and Lynn can be on the fringes, not quite their time yet. If an allrounder like Dan Christian or maybe Mitchell Marsh put their hand up through good performances, get them in there. Wade or Paine will be a debate that we'll have for a while. Wade should get a shot soon, but Paine has done a pretty good job at international level so he gets first dibs.

I would have liked to have put Hazlewood or Pattinson in the bowling lineup, but I couldn't find the room. In my opinion we are in desperate need of a Trent Copeland type bowler, so he gets in before them. Kept Siddle and Johnson, simply because Johnson wins you matches and Siddle was probably our best during the Ashes. Hopefully Hilfenhaus will regain his swing, because watching what he had become last summer was sad. Our bowling is looking OK in the future with Hazlewood, Pattinson, Duffield, George, Starc, Coulter-Nile and Cutting all possible future international standard players.

O'Keefe is a better bowler than Smith and he is pobably just as good a batsman. In the team primarily as a bowler. Don't know about Beer and Lyon, guess they'll just have to play well to get another look in.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

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I don't think we have to go overboard.

You'd think Ponting, Lee and Michael Hussey will retire from one day cricket.

Haddin and David Hussey shouldn't be in future plans.

Krejza isn't the spin answer.

The rest should stay around the squad.

Ok we are talking tests not ODIs, forget my team.

'You'd think Ponting, Lee and Michael Hussey will retire from one day cricket.'

I really don't understand where people get these ideas. Lee might retire, he seems to have some nous about where he is in his career, but I don't think that Huss or Punter have any such plan of giving up anything.

Not unless they are both given a private talking to as in 'jump, before you are pushed'. But I wouldn't trust our selectors for a minute to think that is in any of their heads.

If Punter gets even a slow 50 in the next match, he's going to think everything is right and tight.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

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When the WC is all said and done, it has to be time for Australia to clear out a lot of the players and start to rebuild. Give some youngsters 2 years of Cricket to have an assault on the next Ashes.
My XI
Marsh, Watson (c), Khwaja, Lynn, Clarke, Ferguson, Paine (wk), Lyon, Copeland, Pattinson, George. 12th Smith.

Around the Mark:
Maddsion, Hughes, White, Marsh (Mitch), OKeefe, Starc, Hazlewood, Hastings, Cummins.

This group of 20 would have 2 years together ready for the Ashes, and potentially many years ahead of them all playing together in the Aussie team.

Hughes is first off the rank for opening slots that is obvious. Smith and Hughes got gigs before even Khawaja.

I'm not sure that Ferguson and especially Marsh will ever play test cricket for Australia, they could have given them a run this summer if they thought they were better than the NSW lads.

 

[Kahuna]

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Making 6 changes to a team isn't going to help. What needs to happen is a progression of players come into the team. Say we bring in two players immediately (Usman and Tim Paine) for example. Then after a few series you bring in someone to replace a guy like Hussey. Having 6 changes and creating a losing culture is not going to improve our cricket. Winning and still blooding youngsters is the way to go. (we have to win though I guess).

 

[Doodlesweaver]

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Making 6 changes to a team isn't going to help. What needs to happen is a progression of players come into the team. Say we bring in two players immediately (Usman and Tim Paine) for example. Then after a few series you bring in someone to replace a guy like Hussey. Having 6 changes and creating a losing culture is not going to improve our cricket. Winning and still blooding youngsters is the way to go. (we have to win though I guess).

The Aussies should be able to beat mid-ranked and lower ranked test teams still. It really depends on the opposition at present as we don't have a good enough test attack to beat good teams and our batting frailties are almost continual. The two are linked as the team just doesn't have the confidence in either department.

Punter will keep playing as long as he is allowed so if Usman comes in, they'll have to put him lower down the order. Hopefully Smith is not an automatic pick now.

 

[Gak Attack]

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We need to go back to picking the right team for the conditions instead of the best XI in general. For example to the next Ashes players like Hilfenhaus, Butterworth and Copeland could be a great attack but I wouldn't take them to India or Sri Lanka(well maybe Copeland with his ability to bowl and bowl), I wouldn't play Siddle or Johnson in England but I would have Johnson on those pitches he performs well on. Also surprised Ponting hasn't asked to go to 6 in the Test team, think a bit less pressure of possibly coming in early would help him a lot and regardless of how poor he has been of late the tour of India showed he can still look good.

While we need to bring in fresh faces and can't afford to keep too many 30+ players I think it would be a mistake to get rid of them all. I also don't think gifting games to players who are yet to earn it, I noticed Maddison in someones team and he can't even get a gig in a depleted NSW team! Smith is an example of this, so is picking Hughes when he was hideously out of form and you can add the Test selections of Doherty and Beer. It is time SOK got a spinners gig, hes done more than a lot of others used but he won't be the answer and will struggle like the rest but we have no one currently that could do any better.

If for a home series I would roughly go with:

Test team:
Watson
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Ferguson
Hussey/Ponting (would play best for next couple of series and see what they produce)
Paine
Butterworth
Johnson
SOK
Copeland

Hey if the bowling is shite at least they bat down to 10!

 

[eddiesmith]

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'You'd think Ponting, Lee and Michael Hussey will retire from one day cricket.'

I really don't understand where people get these ideas. Lee might retire, he seems to have some nous about where he is in his career, but I don't think that Huss or Punter have any such plan of giving up anything.

Not unless they are both given a private talking to as in 'jump, before you are pushed'. But I wouldn't trust our selectors for a minute to think that is in any of their heads.

If Punter gets even a slow 50 in the next match, he's going to think everything is right and tight.

I think it more comes from the World Cup is over, its time to move on and focus on the next one, thats 4 years to let a captain find his feet and a new lineup, if they wont be there in 4 years then out the door. This side will only lose 3-4 from it and has plenty of experience so it wont hurt

 

[Doodlesweaver]

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We need to go back to picking the right team for the conditions instead of the best XI in general. For example to the next Ashes players like Hilfenhaus, Butterworth and Copeland could be a great attack but I wouldn't take them to India or Sri Lanka(well maybe Copeland with his ability to bowl and bowl), I wouldn't play Siddle or Johnson in England but I would have Johnson on those pitches he performs well on. Also surprised Ponting hasn't asked to go to 6 in the Test team, think a bit less pressure of possibly coming in early would help him a lot and regardless of how poor he has been of late the tour of India showed he can still look good.

While we need to bring in fresh faces and can't afford to keep too many 30+ players I think it would be a mistake to get rid of them all. I also don't think gifting games to players who are yet to earn it, I noticed Maddison in someones team and he can't even get a gig in a depleted NSW team! Smith is an example of this, so is picking Hughes when he was hideously out of form and you can add the Test selections of Doherty and Beer. It is time SOK got a spinners gig, hes done more than a lot of others used but he won't be the answer and will struggle like the rest but we have no one currently that could do any better.

If for a home series I would roughly go with:

Test team:
Watson
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Ferguson
Hussey/Ponting (would play best for next couple of series and see what they produce)
Paine
Butterworth
Johnson
SOK
Copeland

Hey if the bowling is shite at least they bat down to 10!

I like the look of your test team, I'd rather have Huss than Punter though, less divisive and just as likely to perform under pressure. Not really sure about Fergie, but I'd like to see him given a shot.

I suspect that Copeland can bat. He hasn't performed much up till now as the Blues run him into the ground as he appears to be the only bowler in Aus that can hit a spot and keep hitting it.

And that alone is enough to have him in any test team that I could name. Not so sure about him ODI teams though.

 

[Rookie]

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Tests:

Watson
Hughes
Khawaja
Hussey (need someone to assist Pup and nurture the team)
Clarke (C)
Smith (McDonald, Lynn)
Paine
O'Keefe
Johnson
Copeland
Siddle / Bollinger / Krejza

Smith will likely bat at six for the Sri Lankan tour so we can play three pace bowlers. I'd take O'Keefe and Krejza and play a pure batsman at six but it won't happen. I suspect taking McDonald at 6 would be a better option and then playing the two best spin bowlers in the country (Smith is not one of them).

The selection of Paine is difficult. It's important not to overburden young players, so there is a need to keep a core of older experienced players around to assist Pup with the captaincy. For this reason Hussey stays. To be honest, the batsman selected at 6 determines if we take Haddin or Paine. If Katich or Ponting play on, blood Paine. If three of our top six are young and inexperienced, keep Haddin for another year.

ODI tour of Bangladesh

Watson
Paine
Ferguson
Clarke
D.Hussey
M.Hussey
Hastings / Smith
O'Keefe
Lee / Butterworth
Johnson
Krejza

This side is selected with the Sri Lankan tour in mind; there are several players I want to have a look at on an international level. And it's fair enough that those sitting on the sidelines for the whole world cup (Hastings, Paine, Dussey, Ferguson) get a game. You could add Nannes to that list.

 

[J Selwood14]

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test team

Hughes
Watson
Khawaja
Hussey
Clarke
Smith
Wade
O'Keefe
Johnson
Siddle
Copeland

rest of squad
S Marsh
Paine
Butterworth
Faulkner

 

[Bomber Bears]

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I like the look of your test team, I'd rather have Huss than Punter though, less divisive and just as likely to perform under pressure. Not really sure about Fergie, but I'd like to see him given a shot.

I suspect that Copeland can bat. He hasn't performed much up till now as the Blues run him into the ground as he appears to be the only bowler in Aus that can hit a spot and keep hitting it.

And that alone is enough to have him in any test team that I could name. Not so sure about him ODI teams though.

Copeland was an opening bat/wicket keeper in Sydey 3rds not that long ago (played with my clubs coach), and has scored runs in Sydney first grade, hardly an easy comp. He's performances aren't a great indication of his ability thus far but, as you say, he's generally been run into the ground with the ball/

 

[Team DJ]

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Copeland was an opening bat/wicket keeper in Sydey 3rds not that long ago (played with my clubs coach), and has scored runs in Sydney first grade, hardly an easy comp. He's performances aren't a great indication of his ability thus far but, as you say, he's generally been run into the ground with the ball/

Did not know that. Knew he was a keeper didnt know about the willow. Thanks

 

[andy_99]

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For Bangladesh tour:
1. Shane WATSON
2. Phil HUGHES
3. Usman KHAWAJA
4. Michael CLARKE
5. Chris LYNN
6. Shaun MARSH
7. Brad HADDIN
8. Luke BUTTERWORTH
9. Steve O'KEEFE
10. Doug BOLLINGER
11. Trent COPELAND

 

[eddiesmith]

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For Bangladesh tour:
1. Shane WATSON
2. Phil HUGHES
3. Usman KHAWAJA
4. Michael CLARKE
5. Chris LYNN
6. Shaun MARSH
7. Brad HADDIN
8. Luke BUTTERWORTH
9. Steve O'KEEFE
10. Doug BOLLINGER
11. Trent COPELAND

So 8 players from a state that their own supporters say is crap at one day cricket for a ODI tour, yeah makes sense

 

[Doodlesweaver]

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So 8 players from a state that their own supporters say is crap at one day cricket for a ODI tour, yeah makes sense

Well, Eddie, considering all three newbies to the Aus test team were from NSW, I think you can take it as read that names from that state will be at the top of the list for any of the squads.

 

[Bomber Bears]

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So 8 players from a state that their own supporters say is crap at one day cricket for a ODI tour, yeah makes sense

Looks like he's written a test side anyway, and Bollinger is injured, so I wouldnt get too worked up Eddie.

I might be wrong on Copeland but pretty sure he was opening in 3rds.

 

[MightyIrons]

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Faulkner needs to get more mentions. His record so far is fairly handy.