Opinion Posts That Don't Deserve a Thread (Random Opinion or Questions)

[SM]

I'm not sure it's fair to say he was poor in 2023. His stats changed but his role seemed to have shifted too. Rowy does exactly what the coach asks him to do, putting team ahead of personal wants. He may get some inside relief from Taylor and (maybe) Jordon this season, allowing him to get outside a bit more. He is pretty elusive when it comes to finding space.

The most important thing is we now have depth and versatility in our midfield, and a cracking ruck brigade. Expect to see more inside 50s and we win more centre clearances, which will also mean fewer intercepts and fewer rebounds out of defence, if all goes well.

Yep! Hope it means he has a great 2024.

 

[Bandicoot]

Where were you in the Simpson desert, out of streaming range, no electricity?

UNTIL NOW!

He was bloody good. He does the hard work. The grunt that people just don't notice.

SM certainly didn't notice. Playing to a losing ruck didn't help him as he was constantly needing to take the defensive role.

 

[Bandicoot]

No I have not but they are available on You Tube. that was my point. Why is the Swans Intra not available on You Tube when most others are? Are we keeping everything close to the dress pants. I don't need to watch orther clubs whole practice matches but I will take a look at bits & pieces ya Sarky bastard.

Probably because intra club matches are a waste of time. They are basically just honing their skills and normally have one team of probables against a team of unlikelies. Obviously the probables are going to look good.
Let's wait till the more realistic matches stat as in this week against GWS and then against Brisbane.

 

[SM]

SM certainly didn't notice. Playing to a losing ruck didn't help him as he was constantly needing to take the defensive role.

How foolish of me, I'm so glad I have you here to inform me.

 

[tombomb]

Easy to forget how young some of these guys are who have their games torn apart on here.

Rowbottom is only 23. He is probably 4-5 years away from his actual prime.

 

[SM]

Easy to forget how young some of these guys are who have their games torn apart on here.

Rowbottom is only 22. He is probably 5 years away from his actual prime.

Yep! Was very likely just an off year last year, like (hopefully) Wicks. Hope both have a huge rebound this year.

 

[tombomb]

Yep! Was very likely just an off year last year, like (hopefully) Wicks. Hope both have a huge rebound this year.

His season wasn't bad last year.

 

[SM]

His season wasn't bad last year.

If you say so. I thought this was a message board where people could offer varied opinions on player performances, but I suppose not!

A quick squiz at the stats: disposals down, goals down, effective disposals down, disposal efficiency down, marks down, rebound 50s down, clearances down, metres gained well down, score involvements well down, inside 50s down. But tackles improved. So I guess that offsets.

Even if you want to make the case that some of those stats are only marginally down, you yourself said he's young and on the improve and won't hit his peak for another 5 years. So any stats going backwards is actually even more significant when you factor in the expected gradual improvement. To repeat myself, he's not a bad player and I back him to rebound in 2024, but I don't think it's as controversial as some seem to be making out to suggest he had a worse year in 2023 than he did in 2022.

 

[SM]

And here I thought discussion of a current Swans player maybe DID deserve a thread!

Could have been moved to his dedicated thread, for instance..

 

[tombomb]

If you say so. I thought this was a message board where people could offer varied opinions on player performances, but I suppose not!

It's a message board where everyone gives their opinion and then I say what is the right opinion.

And then we all move on to the next topic.

Rowbottom had a solid year in 2023.

Next topic, why do we spend like 12 years in Maths class when calculators exist?

 

[Millky95]

It's a message board where everyone gives their opinion and then I say what is the right opinion.

And then we all move on to the next topic.

Rowbottom had a solid year in 2023.

Next topic, why do we spend like 12 years in Maths class when calculators exist?

Because maths also helps teach you problem solving and critical thinking which are important life skills

 

[SM]

Because maths also helps teach you problem solving and critical thinking which are important life skills

And if you type something wrong into a calculator you need to be able to figure out what you got wrong!

 

[caesar88]

Caesar's not the only one to take some time to realise Rowy's worth

I've actually been one of his biggest fans since before he was even drafted. I just knew these exact conversations about Rowbottom not doing enough would happen.

 

[caesar88]

If you say so. I thought this was a message board where people could offer varied opinions on player performances, but I suppose not!

A quick squiz at the stats: disposals down, goals down, effective disposals down, disposal efficiency down, marks down, rebound 50s down, clearances down, metres gained well down, score involvements well down, inside 50s down. But tackles improved. So I guess that offsets.

Even if you want to make the case that some of those stats are only marginally down, you yourself said he's young and on the improve and won't hit his peak for another 5 years. So any stats going backwards is actually even more significant when you factor in the expected gradual improvement. To repeat myself, he's not a bad player and I back him to rebound in 2024, but I don't think it's as controversial as some seem to be making out to suggest he had a worse year in 2023 than he did in 2022.

It's not controversial to suggest he had a worse year in 2023 than he did in 2022. But you said "horrible."

A player doing exactly what's asked of him every week - while also getting hammered with niggles, worth mentioning - to the point he finishes on the podium in the best & fairest can not be considered "horrible".

 

[SM]

It's not controversial to suggest he had a worse year in 2023 than he did in 2022. But you said "horrible."

A player doing exactly what's asked of him every week - while also getting hammered with niggles, worth mentioning - to the point he finishes on the podium in the best & fairest can not be considered "horrible".

It can in my view when our B&F is notorious for not reflecting the actual output of the year but what the coaches deem fits particular criteria. Considering most on this board spent the year sacking Horse, I'm surprise they're happy to take his appraisal of players as gospel.

I will also point out his first half of the year was markedly worse and he then recovered. Do we have a breakdown of his votes for the B&F? I'd imagine most came in the second half of the season, once our season was by all intents and purposes 'cooked' (of course recovering to make finals was commendable, but I'm talking flag chances realistically).

Just had a look back and looks like he was 7th (although markedly behind 6th relative to how close 8-9th were). So did come home strong to 'save' his year. 7th still feels too high to me but when you're quibbling over a handful of coaches votes over 10 games to separate the bulk of the list, it's going to be a bit difficult to get an objective ranking.

My use of the word horrible may come across as harsh but it's my appraisal of how he performed when the season was in the balance. He had a number of poor games where he was being talked about as a player on the chopping block.

 

[tombomb]

Because maths also helps teach you problem solving and critical thinking which are important life skills

Haha, yes I understand why there is maths class. It was just a joke, I wasn't expecting actual replies.

 

[caesar88]

It can in my view when our B&F is notorious for not reflecting the actual output of the year but what the coaches deem fits particular criteria. Considering most on this board spent the year sacking Horse, I'm surprise they're happy to take his appraisal of players as gospel.

I will also point out his first half of the year was markedly worse and he then recovered. Do we have a breakdown of his votes for the B&F? I'd imagine most came in the second half of the season, once our season was by all intents and purposes 'cooked' (of course recovering to make finals was commendable, but I'm talking flag chances realistically).

Just had a look back and looks like he was 7th (although markedly behind 6th relative to how close 8-9th were). So did come home strong to 'save' his year. 7th still feels too high to me but when you're quibbling over a handful of coaches votes over 10 games to separate the bulk of the list, it's going to be a bit difficult to get an objective ranking.

I don't take the coaches perspective as gospel but when you're an inside mid who is only getting it 18 times a match and whose impact on games often feels minimal yet still finishing on the podium, then it's pretty obvious you're doing exactly what the coaches want you to be doing. If you don't like the output that that produces, then it's possible your issue is really with the coaches, and not Rowbottom?

 

[SM]

I don't take the coaches perspective as gospel but when you're an inside mid who is only getting it 18 times a match and whose impact on games often feels minimal yet still finishing on the podium, then it's pretty obvious you're doing exactly what the coaches want you to be doing. If you don't like the output that that produces, then it's possible your issue is really with the coaches, and not Rowbottom?

I already pointed out that him finishing on the podium isn't quite related to what I'm talking about though? He was in the 7-10 range over the first 10 games of the season, not on the podium. He then improved, which I acknowledged.

So was he doing what the coaches asked of him over the first 10 weeks?

 

[Millky95]

Haha, yes I understand why there is maths class. It was just a joke, I wasn't expecting actual replies.

Too fun to pass up

 

[robbieando]

Because maths also helps teach you problem solving and critical thinking which are important life skills

So many on here failed maths I see.......





























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[Bandicoot]

Why were all these posts about Rowbottom moved to "Posts that don't deserve a thread" when there is an actual thread for Rowbottom?

 

[Bandicoot]

So many on here failed maths I see.......





























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If you were born after 1980 the odds are pretty good that you would fail maths.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I don't take the coaches perspective as gospel but when you're an inside mid who is only getting it 18 times a match and whose impact on games often feels minimal yet still finishing on the podium, then it's pretty obvious you're doing exactly what the coaches want you to be doing. If you don't like the output that that produces, then it's possible your issue is really with the coaches, and not Rowbottom?

We had a bloke whose name I’m struggling to recall - I think it was George?

Anyway, the coaches told “George” to play as a defensive mid. Which he did. Admirably. But we never really saw what he could do if let loose.

Apparent the coaches got a bit tired of George filling the defensive mid role, because we traded him - to Carlton.

Here’s hoping Rowy isn’t the next George.

 

[caesar88]

We had a bloke whose name I’m struggling to recall - I think it was George?

Anyway, the coaches told “George” to play as a defensive mid. Which he did. Admirably. But we never really saw what he could do if let loose.

Apparent the coaches got a bit tired of George filling the defensive mid role, because we traded him - to Carlton.

Here’s hoping Rowy isn’t the next George.

As I made no secret of, I had the exact same thoughts, and it still is a worry, particularly in regards to the list managers, who won't care how highly-regarded Rowbottom is, they're not gonna fork out much for a guy whose primary contributions are tackles.

However I don't think they're entirely comparable.

Hewett finished 2nd in the B&F in 2019, which was a bottom-four year for us. After that, his highest finishes were 5th and 7th. He placed top 10 in the B&F three times in eight years at the club. Rowbottom's already managed that (including in a GF year) and he's only been at the club for five years (as well as his recent podium finishes, he also came 7th in 2020 when he was only 19.)

Hewett I think was a favourite of Horse's, probably because of his consistency and his discipline, but I don't think he was seen as integral to our game and the way we play; he was more like a good soldier that Horse didn't always have a need for or know what to do with. I don't think that's the case with Rowbottom.

I've heard pretty credible sources attached to the club describe Rowbottom as "our most important midfielder" and "the first non-KPP magnet on the board." In a team with players like Gulden, Blakey, Heeney, Papley, Warner etc., it doesn't always make sense to me and when I watch games and see Rowbottom's impact as minimal, I'm often left scratching my head trying to understand the internal hype.

But if turnover footy is the name of the game in today's era, then you obviously need players who can cause turnovers and no one even comes close to Rowbottom in that regard.

As you and others have implied, maybe the dynamics of our team changes this year with the introduction of Grundy & Adams, maybe we become more attacking in set-up and strategy and the need for such a heavily-defensive role is mitigated. In that case though, I'd hope it doesn't spell the end for Rowbottom but rather the beginning of the Rowbottom we've been teased with in the past, who is as damaging as anyone in the side when at his peak.

 

[the hypnotoad]

If you were born after 1980 the odds are pretty good that you would fail maths.

to understand odds you probably should be good at maths
to me, "good" odds is anything 10-1 or longer ... whereas what you're suggesting, about post-1980 folk failing maths, is more accurately "short" odds ...
just thought i'd be a d1ck