Pre-season Draft

[Nuts4Bolts]

Sheedy has said that we will go after a big name player in the pre-season draft. Now providing that we finish last and get first pick, does anyone know off any GUN players that are out of contract this year that we could target?

And please, no-one mention Chris Judd. He is not out of contract!

 

[DaSawx]

Big names are rarely available, so don't hold your breathe.

Just being realistic

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Sheedy has said that we will go after a big name player in the pre-season draft. Now providing that we finish last and get first pick, does anyone know off any GUN players that are out of contract this year that we could target?

And please, no-one mention Chris Judd. He is not out of contract!

I doubt you'll get anyone good in the PSD.

That situation with Stevens was an aberration.

Most clubs wouldn't be proud/dumb enough to let a player of that standing go for nothing.

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

O.k. Not so much as a gun player, but say a promising Victorian kid that wants to come home. That sort of thing.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

O.k. Not so much as a gun player, but say a promising Victorian kid that wants to come home. That sort of thing.

But why would that "promising Victorian kid" end up in the PSD?

For you to get a decent player so cheaply, they'd have to insist on being traded to Essendon, and Essendon only.

Any promising young player is going to attract offers from more than one club. Very unlikely that their original club would let them go for nothing.

Look at a guy like Daniel McConnell last year. He was at WC and wanted to go back to Melbourne. A few clubs were interested but we ended up doing a deal with the Kangaroos.

McConnell had only played a couple of games, but there was no way we weren't going to get something for him.

If a Victorian club doesn't offer something for a returning youngster, you can be sure another Victorian club will.

For you to get someone decent in the PSD, they'd have to refuse to be traded to any club other than Essendon, essentially screwing the club that had drafted and developed them.

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

But why would that "promising Victorian kid" end up in the PSD?

For you to get a decent player so cheaply, they'd have to insist on being traded to Essendon, and Essendon only.

Any promising young player is going to attract offers from more than one club. Very unlikely that their original club would let them go for nothing.

Look at a guy like Daniel McConnell last year. He was at WC and wanted to go back to Melbourne. A few clubs were interested but we ended up doing a deal with the Kangaroos.

McConnell had only played a couple of games, but there was no way we weren't going to get something for him.

If a Victorian club doesn't offer something for a returning youngster, you can be sure another Victorian club will.

For you to get someone decent in the PSD, they'd have to refuse to be traded to any club other than Essendon, essentially screwing the club that had drafted and developed them.

Because they are out of contract. Like Nick Stevens was, like how we got Campo and Heffernan this year. If they are out of contract they go into the pre-season draft where they are available to every club. We have first pick so we take them. Is it that hard?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Because they are out of contract. Like Nick Stevens was, like how we got Campo and Heffernan this year. If they are out of contract they go into the pre-season draft where they are available to every club. We have first pick so we take them. Is it that hard?

Those are a couple of different scenarios.

Nick Stevens screwed Port by demanding to be traded to Collingwood. Port didn't accept what Collingwood offered so Stevens went in the PSD.

For that to happen with Essendon, a player would have to insist on being traded to Essendon. Otherwise he'd just get traded to whichever club makes the best offer.

As for Camporeale and Heffernan, you got those guys because their previous clubs didn't want them/couldn't afford them, and because no-one had made a decent offer for them at the trade table.

I didn't realise you were talking about guys like Campo and Heffernan. They're top-up players. You might get 1-2 of those in the PSD.

But so far in this thread, you've mentioned "big name players" and "promising Victorian kids wanting to come home".

Campo and Heffernan don't really fall into those categories.

You can rely on snaring an out-of-contract player in the PSD. But it will either be a player who shafts his previous club by demanding to be traded to Essendon (unlikely), or an ordinary player who no-one wanted to trade for.

 

[DaSawx]

For that to happen with Essendon, a player would have to insist on being traded to Essendon. Otherwise he'd just get traded to whichever club makes the best offer.

That player can veto any trade to another club and go into the PSD if he is out of contract if he wanted to play for Essendon. It's not like the states where you have to go where ever you get traded to, the player has to agree on the trade.

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

Gunnar, let's make this simple. The Eagles have a player out of contract. He's a Victorian kid and want's to come home. He was from Calder Cannons and grew up just around the corner from Windy Hill and he still has posters of James Hird on his wall. The Essendon match commitee are rapt he wants to come home, because they think he's a good player. We offer him a contract and pick him up in the pre-season draft where all un-contracted players go. Providing of course we finish last and get first pick. Otherwise Carlton have the opputunity to pick him up.

or

The Eagles have a player out of contract and they aren't offering him the money he want's. It's been taken up by all your other super stars. Essendon go righteo, here's a contract that is paying the money he wants. He nominates for the pre-season draft and again, providing we finish last, we aqquire him. Or alternatively, the Eagles go alright we'll trade with you for him, but as we have him for free in the pre-season draft don't expect it to be a bumber trade for you. More like just a token pick.

Hope that help's.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

That player can veto any trade to another club and go into the PSD if he is out of contract if he wanted to play for Essendon. It's not like the states where you have to go where ever you get traded to, the player has to agree on the trade.

Yeah - that's essentially what I said.

A player would need to be prepared to veto any trade to any club other than Essendon.

Why would that happen? Why would a player wanting to return to Victoria stipulate that he was only prepared to play for the Bombers?

The Nick Stevens scenario was an aberration. It only happened because of the ill-feeling between Port and Collingwood. I wouldn't bank on something like that happening again.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Gunnar, let's make this simple. The Eagles have a player out of contract. He's a Victorian kid and want's to come home. He was from Calder Cannons and grew up just around the corner from Windy Hill and he still has posters of James Hird on his wall. The Essendon match commitee are rapt he wants to come home, because they think he's a good player. We offer him a contract and pick him up in the pre-season draft where all un-contracted players go. Providing of course we finish last and get first pick. Otherwise Carlton have the opputunity to pick him up.

So this player wouldn't be prepared to play anyone other than Essendon.

I think that's an unlikely scenario.

I think most players wanting to go home, would allow themselves to be traded to the club that makes the best offer.

If this kid is any good, there will be a few clubs making offers, and WC won't be letting him go for free.

The Eagles have a player out of contract and they aren't offering him the money he want's. It's been taken up by all your other super stars. Essendon go righteo, here's a contract that is paying the money he wants. He nominates for the pre-season draft and again, providing we finish last, we aqquire him. Or alternatively, the Eagles go alright we'll trade with you for him, but as we have him for free in the pre-season draft don't expect it to be a bumber trade for you. More like just a token pick.

Again, this scenario relies on that player stipulating that he will only play for Essendon.

Both premises rely on an uncontracted player saying to his club "Either trade me to Essendon, or lose me for nothing".

I just think that's an unlikely scenario. And I don't think you'll get a top-liner in those circumstances.

 

[DaSawx]

Yeah - that's essentially what I said.

A player would need to be prepared to veto any trade to any club other than Essendon.

Why would that happen? Why would a player wanting to return to Victoria stipulate that he was only prepared to play for the Bombers?

The Nick Stevens scenario was an aberration. It only happened because of the ill-feeling between Port and Collingwood. I wouldn't bank on something like that happening again.

Yeah true, I wouldn't count Sheeds out on being able to presuade someone to choose the Bombers over another team, but a team woud have to decide a player who is out of contract that a trade to the team he wants doesn't suit them, which is what you are saying

I'm not holding my breathe getting anyone 'super' in the PSD, probably someone who can fill a need

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

I'm not going to go on with this after this. Players ask to be traded to clubs all the time. Motlop did it last year, Fergus Watts did it, Jonathan Hay did it, Ted Richards aske to be traded to the Swans, Richie Cole asked to be traded to us and there are others. They ask to be traded to other clubs because they can get a lot more money there, they can see that there is a good oppurtunity for them to play senior football or they might just like the set up there. There could be any number of reasons why they want to play there. These are just a few common ones.

And the advantage of Essendon having first pick in the pre-season draft is that they can either get them for free or with a relativley cheap trade. Plus we have a lot of salary cap room so we can buy a player.

Please understand this, or are you just trying to wind me up? Because it's working if you are.

 

[Hawk Dork]

There will be a queue of kids wanting to leave Weegirls and a chance at finals to go to the Bombers and cope a regular shelaking..................NOT

 

[brett_go_cats]

i think jimmy bartel is out of contract at the end of the year but hopefully geelong will resign him

 

[jules101]

i think jimmy bartel is out of contract at the end of the year but hopefully geelong will resign him

He was out of contract last year. Doubt he had a 1 year contract.

 

[Longy413]

Otherwise he'd just get traded to whichever club makes the best offer.

Wrong. No player can be traded against their own will. Any player that is traded must agree on terms with their new club.

As for Camporeale and Heffernan, you got those guys because their previous clubs didn't want them/couldn't afford them

Wrong. Both players were offered contracts at their previous club. Both knocked them back because they wanted to come to EFC.

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

There will be a queue of kids wanting to leave Weegirls and a chance at finals to go to the Bombers and cope a regular shelaking..................NOT

Let's not have another idiot join in this thread please.

 

[LukeHodge15]

ur bargaining power all depends on wether u finish bottom or not.

if u finish bottom and u have cash in ur salary cap. u have the potential to lure a superstar out of contract player. u need the spoon to though

 

[macca69]

Wrong. No player can be traded against their own will. Any player that is traded must agree on terms with their new club.

You can get around that though, remember the Rawlings 3 way trade

 

[Darealrath]

I'm glad that he mentioned we'd be gunning for a gun young player this time. Murph worked out ok, Heff looks like working out ok, Campo is still up in the air, but i'd love to get someone who we know will play their best footy for us and has 150 games in them.

 

[DaSawx]

Would Sheeds be going after a Salopek or a Schammer?

I have no idea if they are out of contract or not just using them as examples

 

[Darealrath]

Would Sheeds be going after a Salopek or a Schammer?

I have no idea if they are out of contract or not just using them as examples

Definately Schammer. I'd guess all clubs would be after him if he was available.

 

[Karlostj]

Definately Schammer. I'd guess all clubs would be after him if he was available.

His disposal is shocking, he is small and his accountability is lacking. Not sure we need any more of those sort of players...