Premiership Trading

[ajmart]

I've never heard so much baloney about how wonderful Port's trading has been !

From 2002, taking into account trades and rookie elevations:

Adelaide: Add-Carey
-Burns
-Torney
-Mattner
-Rutten
-Bock
(the last 3, John Reid said clubs in Melbourne all rated in the top 25 if they were in the draft)

Lose-Johnson
-Beinke
-Angwin
-Finnin

Port: Add-Pickett
-Cochrane
-don't know their rookies

Lose-French
-Brooks
-Stevens
-Mead
-Lockwood

Based on the above and performances in the finals, Port hasn't added anyone who's a finals matchwinner and whilst they have their flooding plan they'll never win finals matches

Whereas with Adelaide-BRING ON PREMIERSHIP NUMBER 3 !!

Cheers,
AJ

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Originally posted by ajmart
I've never heard so much baloney about how wonderful Port's trading has been !

From 2002, taking into account trades and rookie elevations:

Adelaide: Add-Carey
-Burns
-Torney
-Mattner
-Rutten
-Bock
(the last 3, John Reid said clubs in Melbourne all rated in the top 25 if they were in the draft)

Lose-Johnson
-Beinke
-Angwin
-Finnin

Port: Add-Pickett
-Cochrane
-don't know their rookies

Lose-French
-Brooks
-Stevens
-Mead
-Lockwood

Based on the above and performances in the finals, Port hasn't added anyone who's a finals matchwinner and whilst they have their flooding plan they'll never win finals matches

Whereas with Adelaide-BRING ON PREMIERSHIP NUMBER 3 !!

Cheers,
AJ

Bring on Premiership number 11! Johnson and Blumfield. =0) so happy bout Richmonds Trading.

Adelaide did a ton better then Port. Simple as that. Carey, Torney beats Pickett.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

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Originally posted by rfctigerarmy


Bring on Premiership number 11! Johnson and Blumfield. =0) so happy bout Richmonds Trading.

Adelaide did a ton better then Port. Simple as that. Carey, Torney beats Pickett.

adelaide & richmond won over port EASLLY - the two winners of the trade week

 

[snakebite01]

Exactly. We've identified the areas in which we need to improve and we've identified our weaknessess and we've gone out and got those players.

We needed a tall marking forward - so the AFC went all out to get none other than the greatest CHF of all time.

Our forward line crumbing has been lacking in recent years so we go out and recruit 'Third degree' (Burns), a player who played his best football under Ayres and will thrive under the feet of King Carey.

We needed a midfielder/half-back to replace Johnson so the AFC went out and got Torney.

I applaud you AFC as you have turned this club around and made sure that we will continue to be a major force in the AFL. I can now expect another key defender to be drafted either this year or next to ensure good on-field performances.

To me, Port seem to try and get the best on offer no matter if it will help them improve in their weaknesses or not. They drafted Pickett, a crumbing forward, and how many of them have they got? Too many, they don't need another one with Burgoynes, ****y, Murrays,Guerra etc. - this player is not going to add to their weaknesses.

OTOH our players will. It may seem as if Port have done well with draft picks etc, but they have a window which will last for only a couple more years, and draft picks wont give them premierships in 1/2 years.

Go You mighty Crows!

 

[rfctigerarmy]

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Originally posted by roostersgal4eva


adelaide & richmond won over port EASLLY - the two winners of the trade week

seeing we are both happy.. Goodwin for say Rogers? nah nah jk

 

[roostersgal4eva]

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Originally posted by rfctigerarmy


seeing we are both happy.. Goodwin for say Rogers? nah nah jk

methinks not

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by ajmart

Based on the above and performances in the finals, Port hasn't added anyone who's a finals matchwinner and whilst they have their flooding plan they'll never win finals matches

That has got to be the stupidest comment I have ever heard, Port rarely flood, the Crows on the other hand have the biggest midfield flood footy has ever seen, sometimes they have 10-12 players standing around the ruck contest.

Ports recent trade pick ups:

Schofield
Montgomery
Wakelin
Bishop
Hardwick
Pickett

All have been sensational for Port and Pickett was the #1 player we were after and we got him. Port is the best trading side bar none. I would however question Adelaide trading policy of picking up 2 players over 30 and a player who they already have many better players of his type on their list.

Port were one of the best trading teams this year where as Adelaide would have been one of the worst.

 

[snakebite01]

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Originally posted by Zombie


That has got to be the stupidest comment I have ever heard, Port rarely flood, the Crows on the other hand have the biggest midfield flood footy has ever seen, sometimes they have 10-12 players standing around the ruck contest.

You call that a stupid comment.

Port, my friend quite frequently flood, that is why they can't produce in finals-copied the Bulldogs of 97/98.

Adelaide OTOH, NEVER flood. It has been implemented since day one that Ayres thinks flooding is ruining the game and he said he would never flood, and sure enough we haven't.

Our midfield doesn't flood, we stack our numbers around the ball. If you say we flood, then we also flood our forward line and the midfield, wherever the ball is. That is why we are so successful from clearances. But it is certainly not flooding.

 

[snakebite01]

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Originally posted by Zombie

Port were one of the best trading teams this year where as Adelaide would have been one of the worst.

And as for this.



Adelaide picked up Carey, a player a third of the comp sort after yet we got him. We traded badly in your opinion but not in the rest of the comps. eyes.

 

[Zombie]

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Originally posted by snakebite01


And as for this.



Adelaide picked up Carey, a player a third of the comp sort after yet we got him. We traded badly in your opinion but not in the rest of the comps. eyes.

The rest of the comp does think you did badly. Adelaide know they got screwed over on the Carey deal, John Reid even said it. As for the Burns deal well the rest of the comp is laughing at Adelaide over that one.

OTOH most people are claiming the Pickett trade as the steal of the century.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by ajmart
I've never heard so much baloney about how wonderful Port's trading has been !

From 2002, taking into account trades and rookie elevations:

Adelaide: Add-Carey
-Burns
-Torney
-Mattner
-Rutten
-Bock
(the last 3, John Reid said clubs in Melbourne all rated in the top 25 if they were in the draft)

Lose-Johnson
-Beinke
-Angwin
-Finnin

Port: Add-Pickett
-Cochrane
-don't know their rookies

Lose-French
-Brooks
-Stevens
-Mead
-Lockwood

Based on the above and performances in the finals, Port hasn't added anyone who's a finals matchwinner and whilst they have their flooding plan they'll never win finals matches

Whereas with Adelaide-BRING ON PREMIERSHIP NUMBER 3 !!

Cheers,
AJ

Finals match winner - what do you think Pickett is you moron!!

You picked up an old, past it Centre Half Forward that will be good for 40 goals this year

You picked up an old, past it injury prone small forward who everyone rates in the top 5 most overrated players in the AFL

You picked up an ok small defender


Wow!!!

Gimme Pickett above Burns, Carey and Torney anyday!!!


But i do have to laugh at why you are comparing yourselves to Port!!! Why do you care what everyone else thinks about your trading??

Are you just another ok.crows who posts just in hope that everyone that reads it will heap praise upon the Crows and bow down in front of all their glory??

 

[snakebite01]

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Originally posted by Zombie


The rest of the comp does think you did badly. Adelaide know they got screwed over on the Carey deal, John Reid even said it. As for the Burns deal well the rest of the comp is laughing at Adelaide over that one.

OTOH most people are claiming the Pickett trade as the steal of the century.

How does the rest of the comp think we did badly. Everyone on here reckons we did well, in the Carey deal we did all we had to do to get him.

And I don't see anyone laughing for the Burns deal. Surprised, yes because he is a risk but worth taking considering we only lost Finnin fro him who musn't have shown much in AFC's opinion. We'll see who's laughing at us next year.

 

[Damp Squarie]

While you keep at it *** for tat; Ill just sit here and smile
That just says it all.

 

[Zombie]

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Originally posted by snakebite01


How does the rest of the comp think we did badly. Everyone on here reckons we did well, in the Carey deal we did all we had to do to get him.

And I don't see anyone laughing for the Burns deal. Surprised, yes because he is a risk but worth taking considering we only lost Finnin fro him who musn't have shown much in AFC's opinion. We'll see who's laughing at us next year.

Everyone on here yes because everyone is a Crows supporter!!!

Everyone is laughing at the Burns deal, no other club would have given their old socks for Burns and you gave away one of your most promising young KPP's.

 

[DaveW]

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Originally posted by Zombie


Everyone on here yes because everyone is a Crows supporter!!!

Everyone is laughing at the Burns deal, no other club would have given their old socks for Burns and you gave away one of your most promising young KPP's.

Most promising young KPPs? Where do you come up with this $hit? The guy could hardly crack a game for Port Magpies senior side!

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by topjars
While you keep at it *** for tat; Ill just sit here and smile
That just says it all.

You can't be saying words like *** on here TJ

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by snakebite01
Exactly. We've identified the areas in which we need to improve and we've identified our weaknessess and we've gone out and got those players.

Well what do you think we've done??

We've picked up an extra tagger which will allow us to play Josh Carr as almost a full time attacking midfielder instead of an almost full time defensive midfielder

We've picked up Pickett - who will add much needed toughness into our midfield/forward line.

Yet you cant recognise that!!!

Our forward line crumbing has been lacking in recent years so we go out and recruit 'Third degree' (Burns), a player who played his best football under Ayres and will thrive under the feet of King Carey.

Burns is an injury prone player thats played a handful of good games in the past 3 years. He is finished. Anyone that reckons he will kick 40-50 goals next year is laughing.

To me, Port seem to try and get the best on offer no matter if it will help them improve in their weaknesses or not. They drafted Pickett, a crumbing forward, and how many of them have they got? Too many, they don't need another one with Burgoynes, ****y, Murrays,Guerra etc. - this player is not going to add to their weaknesses.

You dont know much about Port or Byron Pickett do you? Pickett isnt JUST a crumbing forward. He made AA as a defender. He can also go into the midfield and add much needed toughness into that area (which is a WEAKNESS of our side if you bothered to look).

OTOH our players will. It may seem as if Port have done well with draft picks etc, but they have a window which will last for only a couple more years, and draft picks wont give them premierships in 1/2 years.

Go You mighty Crows!

Draft picks wont. The addition of Hardwick last year - which was sorely needed to add grunt, skill, finals experience and toughness into our defence was a fantastic move and he had a fantastic move.

This year we needed a tough midfielder, a key defender and a key forward. The club reckons it has the key defender and key forward on its list. We needed a tough midfielder. We got one!

If you cant see how Pickett will add to our side in more than a 'crumbing forward' type way then you are blind as bat****.

For a start - if we play him as a defender then it means Wanganeen can play as a full time forward.
If we play him forward it means Guerra or K Cornes will play as a permanent small defender.
Not to mention the addition of Michael Wilson back into our side which means either he or Pickett can play as a tough midfielder.

You reckon Pickett wont add anything to our side - but Burns will add something to the Crows - laughable!!!

 

[Macca19]

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Originally posted by DaveW


Most promising young KPPs? Where do you come up with this $hit? The guy could hardly crack a game for Port Magpies senior side!

Thats because hes under developed. Pencil thin. He has obvious skill which he showed in his handful of games at Senior SANFL level. He was often high in our best in our reserves.

I reckon the Crows have made a mistake here. And yes - much of the footy world is laughing at it. Burns is aging, injury prone, and overrated when he is fit and firing let alone when he is struggling to get a kick week in week out. There must be huge question marks over Welsh if you pick up Ronnie Burns. Welsh is 5x the players Burns is. As is Burton and Bode and every other player that can play a small forward role at the Crows.

I cant understand why the Crows would want Burns. One of the most overrated footballers in the last 5-10 years. The Crows fans here that reckon he will kick 40-50 goals...well you mustnt of seen many of his games over the last 5 years then, thats all i will say!

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Macca19




We've picked up Pickett - who will add much needed toughness into our midfield/forward line.

Yet you cant recognise that!!!



Burns is an injury prone player thats played a handful of good games in the past 3 years. He is finished. Anyone that reckons he will kick 40-50 goals next year is laughing.



add something to the Crows - laughable!!!

Macca, to pick up Pickett is a real bonus to the Paps & i'm bloody sure there would be a lot of very unhappy Roos supporters out there, i can't understand the reason why they would let him go i guess it would have to be money related some way or another,
as for the Ronnie Burns trade well this will turn out to be a very good move by Ayresy if he can reignite the Burns of old if not then by all accounts we haven't lost to much in Ben Finnin going & from what iv'e heard Geelong will still be paying part of his salary,

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Macca19

You reckon Pickett wont add anything to our side - but Burns will add something to the Crows - laughable!!!

Macca, I never said he wouldn't add anything to your side. He will be good for Port but what I was saying is that he is not the player that Port desperately need to get. He will probably play great for you but IMO you have players who may do the same job as him eg hardwick's toughness in defence, Burgoyne, S skill in attack. Wherever you play him these type of players can still do the same job and IMO these two players had better years than Pickett last year. I'm sure he'll play well but I didn't think he was the type of player you needed urgently to give you that Cup.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by noddy


Macca, to pick up Pickett is a real bonus to the Paps & i'm bloody sure there would be a lot of very unhappy Roos supporters out there, i can't understand the reason why they would let him go i guess it would have to be money related some way or another,

Money is part of it. He also said he would be coming back to SA at the end of next year anyway.

as for the Ronnie Burns trade well this will turn out to be a very good move by Ayresy if he can reignite the Burns of old if not then by all accounts we haven't lost to much in Ben Finnin going & from what iv'e heard Geelong will still be paying part of his salary,

How often has Burns ever had the fire in his belly? Very rarely. Hes only kicked 40+ goals once in his career which was back in 1997. Since then he has been flickering on and off like a cigarette lighter running out of gas. Its lucky Geelong are paying most of his salary cos i certianly wouldnt be paying anything for him.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by snakebite01


Macca, I never said he wouldn't add anything to your side. He will be good for Port but what I was saying is that he is not the player that Port desperately need to get. He will probably play great for you but IMO you have players who may do the same job as him eg hardwick's toughness in defence, Burgoyne, S skill in attack. Wherever you play him these type of players can still do the same job and IMO these two players had better years than Pickett last year. I'm sure he'll play well but I didn't think he was the type of player you needed urgently to give you that Cup.

I reckon he will add a lot to our side. He IS what we need. A tough hard physical player.

We lack physical players - especially thru the midfield. Our only tough midfielders are Carr and James. Now we can play Pickett or Wilson there. We wouldnt be able to play Wilson there if we did not have Pickett.
If we throw Pickett up forward, it means that we can use Shaun Burgoyne on the wing or in defence and it means a younger player gets to play in defence (Guerra, Cornes). It also means we can play Peter Burgoyne as a more full time midfielder instead of a makeshift full forward.

If we play him in defence then it means we get to play Wilson in the midfield, Wanganeen as a fulltime forward (where his body will benefit) and it adds another quality defender to an already top notch defence.

If i was to pick three players for Port to pick up thru trading this year in order i would of said:

1) Daniel Bradshaw
2) Byron Pickett
3) Trent Croad

Croad was never gonna move, Bradshaw was a long shot, and we got Pickett.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Macca19


You reckon Pickett wont add anything to our side - but Burns will add something to the Crows - laughable!!!

Macca19, I think that getting Byron Pickett for what you did was probably the value of the trading period - he is a great player and can be a matchwinner. Would love to have him at Adelaide.

As for the Crows trading, we have got what we desperately needed in Carey, Torney allows Edwards more time in the midfield and Burns could be the surprise package in the hands of his old coach. Throw in the up and coming talent off of our rookie list and I reckon the Crows hierarchy have done a great job.

I'm very cofident that both Adelaide teams will be up there with a real chance for the flag next year.

 

[Zombie]

Pickett isn't what we need? What a joke! Before the trading period on the Port board most people said that B.Pickett would be the player that would be best for our side. I'm sure you would have said the same, now we've got him and he he isn't the type of player we need? Get your hand off it.

We couldn't have picked a player we needed more.

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Macca19


I reckon he will add a lot to our side. He IS what we need. A tough hard physical player.

We lack physical players - especially thru the midfield. Our only tough midfielders are Carr and James. Now we can play Pickett or Wilson there. We wouldnt be able to play Wilson there if we did not have Pickett.
If we throw Pickett up forward, it means that we can use Shaun Burgoyne on the wing or in defence and it means a younger player gets to play in defence (Guerra, Cornes). It also means we can play Peter Burgoyne as a more full time midfielder instead of a makeshift full forward.

If we play him in defence then it means we get to play Wilson in the midfield, Wanganeen as a fulltime forward (where his body will benefit) and it adds another quality defender to an already top notch defence.

If i was to pick three players for Port to pick up thru trading this year in order i would of said:

1) Daniel Bradshaw
2) Byron Pickett
3) Trent Croad

Croad was never gonna move, Bradshaw was a long shot, and we got Pickett.

Do you think you'll play Hardwick in the midfield for extra toughness aswell? He played a few games there this year but what do you think as you put forward a logical and sensible argument.