Prestigiacomo Appreciation thread

[hellfire]

In terms of shutting down his opponent, Presti is right up there with the best of them, and has been for years. Other full backs may stand out more than him because they get more of the ball, and have better skills of foot or whatever. But in shutting down the opponent, you will find very few better.

 

[Medstar]

Watching presti v richo in round 3, presti looked slow and old and was lucky he didnt have 8 goals kicked on him by half time.

He doesnt provide run, creativity or give us anything skill wise but is a good stopper more often than not.

He's been a good servant but i reckon its time if we want to improve for us to move him on and get someone who can give us more from the fullback position.

 

[hellfire]

Which is why we recruited Nathan Brown, or even John Anthony. They just need time.

 

[Medstar]

Their time is round 1 next year in my opinion.

 

[magpie#18]

Presti is a gun.

First player that opposition supporters bag each week, but when it comes to manning up on a key forward, there aren't many better than Presti.

good man!

 

[magpie#18]

Others to add that may be better than Presti...Croft at WB, O'Reilly at Geelong, Langford at Hawthorn (does he meet the 10 year rule?), Max Hougten (StK)

lol..i think i won this argument!!!!

 

[The Captain]

lol..i think i won this argument!!!!

Not yet ...

YOU still havent listed your top 10 from the past 10 years

We have read other peoples opinion.

Put your list on the table so we can judge

You also need to take an objective view, and not a biased Collingwood supporter view that many have put forward. The only objective view i see so far is from doppleganger

 

[magpie#18]

Not yet ...

YOU still havent listed your top 10 from the past 10 years

We have read other peoples opinion.

Put your list on the table so we can judge

You also need to take an objective view, and not a biased Collingwood supporter view that many have put forward. The only objective view i see so far is from doppleganger

SOS
Mc Intosh
Presti
Michael
Fletcher
Smart
Marytn
Scarlett
Rutten


either leo barry, Glass, Wakelins, Hay and gasper(if despirate)

 

[The Captain]

SOS
Mc Intosh
Presti
Michael
Fletcher
Smart
Marytn
Scarlett
Rutten


either leo barry, Glass, Wakelins, Hay and gasper(if despirate)

OK....so you have listed 9 plus 5 emergencies???

I dont think there would be many objective fans who rate Presti above Fletcher, Scarlett, Michael and Mick Martyn.

 

[DWil6]

Who has the 'average goals kicked against when playing full back' stat? Maybe that'd be handy. Though unlikely to be found. Even then, there's be plenty of variables, like the quality of the opposition at full forward, etc. For instance, i think if Lance Witnall were to play full forward, even 'The Captain' could shut him down. Til then, it's all just conjecture and everyone's opinion is equally valid, i guess.

 

[The Captain]

Til then, it's all just conjecture and everyone's opinion is equally valid, i guess.

Opinions are only valid if they are well informed and unbiased

Maggie#18 will have Presti in the Team of the Century soon

 

[DWil6]

Opinions are only valid if they are well informed and unbiased

Maggie#18 will have Presti in the Team of the Century soon

Bias isn't exactly something that's easily measurable. You might be a Collingwood hater, thus biased against any player being considered worthy. Not saying you are, but how do we measure bias? Everyone has their favourite and least favourite. It'd be unfair to consider anyone who has an interest in Collingwood or any other footy club as biased, yet it would be reasonable to accept a degree of bias from them all. And if that's the case, it'll be hard to win this debate because 'Man who's mind is changed, against his will, Is of the same opinion still!
(Think i read that one on a calendar sometime)

 

[Mark W]

Presti is a very limited footballer. Creative he most certainly is not. Intercepting marks like Fletcher and Scarlet take are not a feature of his game. My heart is is my mouth everytime he kicks the footy. And yet despite all this I reckon Captain is deadset wrong and underestimates PResti -severely. PResti is good at one thing and one thing only - preventing his opponent from getting a kick. He is superb at this...and I dont use the word lightly

Captain should consider:

1. His wonderful track record against almost all the leagues Gun forwards: Tredrea, Jonathan Brown, Gehrig, Fevola, Hall. The exceptions are Lloyd (Wakes always does better against him), and somewhat strangely Quentin Lynch against whom Presti consistently struggles.

2. His longevity - in Captains top 10 he rates players who only played to a decent standard for a few years - Gaspar, Hay, Rutten. Presti has given us 7 years really good service. Mind you was useless prior to 2000, and this year he has not been that good. Is his pace beginning to fade?

3. His finals record - Twice held Brown in GF's and one of the few who could say did his job in 2003, a fair achievement given the dominance of Brisbane. Just owned Tredrea in the 2 finals we met Port in. Even in 2006, despite getting shellacked by the Bulldogs he beat Brad Johnson of all people - wonderful finals player cant recall him playing a bad one.

4. In comparing him to the likes of Scarlet and Fletcher its all about the balance of your backline. I'll restate these 2 are much better all round footballers. They will have much higher rates of possession, they will break up attacks with intercepting marks they will give run and creativity - PResti wont. However both leak goals. Collingwood fans tend not to have the highest opinion of either of these two as Fletcher could never cope with Sav Rocca, nor Scarlet with Tarrant. As stoppers they are not elite. If your backline lacks creativity and run, you pick Fletcher or Scarlet over PResti any time. If your backline leaks goals and needs a stopper there are very few better than Presti.

 

[The Captain]

Presti is a very limited footballer. Creative he most certainly is not. Intercepting marks like Fletcher and Scarlet take are not a feature of his game. My heart is is my mouth everytime he kicks the footy. And yet despite all this I reckon Captain is deadset wrong and underestimates PResti -severely. PResti is good at one thing and one thing only - preventing his opponent from getting a kick. He is superb at this...and I dont use the word lightly

Captain should consider:

1. His wonderful track record against almost all the leagues Gun forwards: Tredrea, Jonathan Brown, Gehrig, Fevola, Hall. The exceptions are Lloyd (Wakes always does better against him), and somewhat strangely Quentin Lynch against whom Presti consistently struggles.

2. His longevity - in Captains top 10 he rates players who only played to a decent standard for a few years - Gaspar, Hay, Rutten. Presti has given us 7 years really good service. Mind you was useless prior to 2000, and this year he has not been that good. Is his pace beginning to fade?

3. His finals record - Twice held Brown in GF's and one of the few who could say did his job in 2003, a fair achievement given the dominance of Brisbane. Just owned Tredrea in the 2 finals we met Port in. Even in 2006, despite getting shellacked by the Bulldogs he beat Brad Johnson of all people - wonderful finals player cant recall him playing a bad one.

4. In comparing him to the likes of Scarlet and Fletcher its all about the balance of your backline. I'll restate these 2 are much better all round footballers. They will have much higher rates of possession, they will break up attacks with intercepting marks they will give run and creativity - PResti wont. However both leak goals. Collingwood fans tend not to have the highest opinion of either of these two as Fletcher could never cope with Sav Rocca, nor Scarlet with Tarrant. As stoppers they are not elite. If your backline lacks creativity and run, you pick Fletcher or Scarlet over PResti any time. If your backline leaks goals and needs a stopper there are very few better than Presti.

Mark,

If all Woods supporters were like you, you could have a great discussion on these boards.

Well supported argument

The Captain

 

[magpie#18]

Presti is a very limited footballer. Creative he most certainly is not. Intercepting marks like Fletcher and Scarlet take are not a feature of his game. My heart is is my mouth everytime he kicks the footy. And yet despite all this I reckon Captain is deadset wrong and underestimates PResti -severely. PResti is good at one thing and one thing only - preventing his opponent from getting a kick. He is superb at this...and I dont use the word lightly

Captain should consider:

1. His wonderful track record against almost all the leagues Gun forwards: Tredrea, Jonathan Brown, Gehrig, Fevola, Hall. The exceptions are Lloyd (Wakes always does better against him), and somewhat strangely Quentin Lynch against whom Presti consistently struggles.

2. His longevity - in Captains top 10 he rates players who only played to a decent standard for a few years - Gaspar, Hay, Rutten. Presti has given us 7 years really good service. Mind you was useless prior to 2000, and this year he has not been that good. Is his pace beginning to fade?

3. His finals record - Twice held Brown in GF's and one of the few who could say did his job in 2003, a fair achievement given the dominance of Brisbane. Just owned Tredrea in the 2 finals we met Port in. Even in 2006, despite getting shellacked by the Bulldogs he beat Brad Johnson of all people - wonderful finals player cant recall him playing a bad one.

4. In comparing him to the likes of Scarlet and Fletcher its all about the balance of your backline. I'll restate these 2 are much better all round footballers. They will have much higher rates of possession, they will break up attacks with intercepting marks they will give run and creativity - PResti wont. However both leak goals. Collingwood fans tend not to have the highest opinion of either of these two as Fletcher could never cope with Sav Rocca, nor Scarlet with Tarrant. As stoppers they are not elite. If your backline lacks creativity and run, you pick Fletcher or Scarlet over PResti any time. If your backline leaks goals and needs a stopper there are very few better than Presti.

CAPTAIN.,..I DIDNT GO TO THIS EXTENT AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE WATCHED COLLINGWOOD TO EVEN MAKE STUPID COMMENTS LIKE YOU HAVE...




SIMON PRESTIGIACOMO HAS PROVED TO THE FOOTBALL PUBLIC.....AND MORE IMPORTANTLY......HIS COACH.....THAT HE BELONGS AT FULL BACK FOR COLLINGWOOD AND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS A EXTREMELY GREAT FULL BACK/KEY DEFENDER.


IN A BLACK AND WHITE MAGAZINE.....IN THE YEAR MM CAME TO PIES..HE HAD A MEETING WITH PRESTI..AND THEY BOTH AGREED HE IS RANKED OUTSIDE TOP 5 FULL BACKS.....MM ASKED PRESTI THE SAME QS IN 2003 AND THEY AGREEDED HE WAS IN TOP 5 AND WAS AIMING FOR NUMBER 1...

HE DID ACHEIVE THAT UNTILL HE GOT INJURED 2005



THANKS

 

[The Captain]

CAPTAIN.,..I DIDNT GO TO THIS EXTENT AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE WATCHED COLLINGWOOD TO EVEN MAKE STUPID COMMENTS LIKE YOU HAVE...




SIMON PRESTIGIACOMO HAS PROVED TO THE FOOTBALL PUBLIC.....AND MORE IMPORTANTLY......HIS COACH.....THAT HE BELONGS AT FULL BACK FOR COLLINGWOOD AND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS A EXTREMELY GREAT FULL BACK/KEY DEFENDER.


IN A BLACK AND WHITE MAGAZINE.....IN THE YEAR MM CAME TO PIES..HE HAD A MEETING WITH PRESTI..AND THEY BOTH AGREED HE IS RANKED OUTSIDE TOP 5 FULL BACKS.....MM ASKED PRESTI THE SAME QS IN 2003 AND THEY AGREEDED HE WAS IN TOP 5 AND WAS AIMING FOR NUMBER 1...

HE DID ACHEIVE THAT UNTILL HE GOT INJURED 2005



THANKS

A raw pre Brisbane MM asking Presti what he thinks of himself is not really the kind of objective argument I would have used.

You may as well have the alter boy ask the Pope if he thinks he is a good catholic!

and why do you write in capitals? It's rude

 

[Jabso]

OK....so you have listed 9 plus 5 emergencies???

I dont think there would be many objective fans who rate Presti above Fletcher, Scarlett, Michael and Mick Martyn.

I don't think anyone did. Read the post you quoted, they never mentioned it was in order.

 

[Jimmy C]

I've had Lica's no 18 on my jumper since 2002

Not sue what to do this year:
- leave it
- change it to no 35 - just for respect for a couple of years
- change to pendles for the long haul

help

 

[Collingwoodrow]

Would he out vote Scarlett, Fletcher, Rutten,...hell, even O'Hailpen is proving to be tougher than Presti.

I think you guys need to start a serious appreciation thread, rather than trying to feel good about an average player.

Brodie Holland is one that comes to mind as underated. Paul Licuria is another.

You were making valid arguments before this clanger of O'hailpin proportions.......After a best on ground 27 touches (3 goals, 6goal assists) from full-forward.....Jonathon Brown would be laughing his ass off at this claim. Please do not bring pre-season form into a debate on a players worth.....otherwise you'll be preaching Fev is a better player than Tony Lockett.

Having said this....I agree with much of what you have said. The problem with rating a full-back is there is a lot of subjective issues.

For instance....Joel Bowden has played a lot at fullback over the past three seasons (admittedly due to injuries). How do you compare him collecting 30 uncontested touches but giving up five goals to Presti's 5 touches and 1 goal? All-Australian selectors obviously don't mind him giving up goals and he has won two B & F's in the past three years.

Would forwards rate Presti a tougher opponent? I'd guess so. Would I rather see Presti standing Jonathon Brown....absolutely. Is Joel Bowden a better footballer....yes. Is Presti more effective......IMO yes...others would argue differently.

To see Presti week in and week out consistently stop an oppositions "power" forward is something the Collingwood faithful appreciate. We don't need run, skill or flair....we have had that in the back half over the past ten years with Shaw, Clement, Wakelin, Bucks, Williams, Johnson etc. Is he the equal of Mick Martyn?......probably but without a doubt does not have the profile and does not seek it.

So in saying is he in the best ten fullbacks of the past decade......maybe. Is he in the best ten stoppers at the fullback position over the past ten years.....IMO....without a doubt.

 

[Hadders]

You were making valid arguments before this clanger of O'hailpin proportions.......After a best on ground 27 touches (3 goals, 6goal assists) from full-forward.....Jonathon Brown would be laughing his ass off at this claim. Please do not bring pre-season form into a debate on a players worth.....otherwise you'll be preaching Fev is a better player than Tony Lockett.

Having said this....I agree with much of what you have said. The problem with rating a full-back is there is a lot of subjective issues.

For instance....Joel Bowden has played a lot at fullback over the past three seasons (admittedly due to injuries). How do you compare him collecting 30 uncontested touches but giving up five goals to Presti's 5 touches and 1 goal? All-Australian selectors obviously don't mind him giving up goals and he has won two B & F's in the past three years.

Would forwards rate Presti a tougher opponent? I'd guess so. Would I rather see Presti standing Jonathon Brown....absolutely. Is Joel Bowden a better footballer....yes. Is Presti more effective......IMO yes...others would argue differently.

To see Presti week in and week out consistently stop an oppositions "power" forward is something the Collingwood faithful appreciate. We don't need run, skill or flair....we have had that in the back half over the past ten years with Shaw, Clement, Wakelin, Bucks, Williams, Johnson etc. Is he the equal of Mick Martyn?......probably but without a doubt does not have the profile and does not seek it.

So in saying is he in the best ten fullbacks of the past decade......maybe. Is he in the best ten stoppers at the fullback position over the past ten years.....IMO....without a doubt.

Well said.

 

[The Captain]

You were making valid arguments before this clanger of O'hailpin proportions.......After a best on ground 27 touches (3 goals, 6goal assists) from full-forward.....Jonathon Brown would be laughing his ass off at this claim. .

Your post is well written, except for this little doozie

To highlight one game in isolation is a bit silly, dont you think? J Brown would have eaten up Silvagni, Langford or Jack Reagan in that game.

If any Collingwood supporter asks me who Jack Reagan is, i will be bitterley dissapointed, yet vindicated in my opinions of most of you....but there are exceptions to every rule

 

[DWil6]

I don't think anyone would bring up the name O'hailpin in this thread. That would be either foolish or biased in the extreme.

 

[Collingwoodrow]

Your post is well written, except for this little doozie

To highlight one game in isolation is a bit silly, dont you think? J Brown would have eaten up Silvagni, Langford or Jack Reagan in that game.

If any Collingwood supporter asks me who Jack Reagan is, i will be bitterley dissapointed, yet vindicated in my opinions of most of you....but there are exceptions to every rule

Well which games of O'hailpins would you like to bring up?

Q Lynch beat up on him the week before if it wasn't for poor kicking............15k 4hb 0.4
The game before saw Matthew Lloyd towel him up for 5.3 before supply was shut off after half time.
Can't remember who he played on in the Geelong game...but does it matter....they all kicked 4 each.
Richo was reasonable in round 1 against him....16 touches 10 marks 3.2.

Did I miss something last year?

 

[Sloth]

Has Presti ever troubled the scorers? just curious.

 

[DWil6]

Has Presti ever troubled the scorers? just curious.

He has spent plenty of time troubling the oppositions goal scorers... isn't that enough??
For his career goals :
http://collingwoodfc.com.au/Season2...layerId/14102/teamId/38/typeId/2/Default.aspx