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We desperately lack a REAL proper pressure lightning quick small forward.... Especially now Rankine is playing 70~% mid.

Cant play all those talls and not have ANY pressure or ability to lock the ball in. ANB and Keays are half forward arc to arc players, not pure pressure small forwards.

Seeing all these teams with mosquito fleet pressure forwards makes me very nervous when we get to the pointy end of the season :embarrassedv1:
 
1970crow said:
Tell me, have you gone in the wrong direction regarding Nank/Milera and then Murphy last week? Are your thoughts really that relevant to how we select our 23? Even I'm not suggesting we'd do it, but Sloane is. And to be fair, im liking him much more these days. Seems a decent bloke, crud captain, but having a laugh at himself on SFS.
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What was my direction on Murphy ?? I'm reasonably sure I didn't want him anywhere near the side. And I still don't.

Pretty sure I didn't want Milera in it either.

Too many mimosas for you this morning
 
Sally22 said:
Jones is not going help. Be going backwards. How many games do you need to see? Delist. Sholl had a fair year last year, he's got some credit, yeah he's stereotypical typical wingman
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Jones as a hard nut small defender is pretty exciting to me. He's fast, he competes hard and he then moves the ball forward and can break lines. He's ahead of both Laird and Milera comfortably to my eye. The bad wing year he had upon return currently matches Cumming's, I'm not arguing he get a wing spot, I'm only suggesting he should be ahead of a receiving and go nowhere defender like Laird.
 
1970crow said:
Jones as a hard nut small defender is pretty exciting to me. He's fast, he competes hard and he then moves the ball forward and can break lines. He's ahead of both Laird and Milera comfortably to my eye. The bad wing year he had upon return currently matches Cumming's, I'm not arguing he get a wing spot, I'm only suggesting he should be ahead of a receiving and go nowhere defender like Laird.
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I still think he’ll make our 22
 

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Cromulant said:
What was my direction on Murphy ?? I'm reasonably sure I didn't want him anywhere near the side. And I still don't.

Pretty sure I didn't want Milera in it either.

Too many mimosas for you this morning
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Still on the mimosas. The question I was asking is that how wrong were you with respect to Murphy/Milera being close to selection? I'm not saying you're a poor judge in terms of who we should select, I was just reminding you that you're a poor judge of who we will select. 2 different things.
 
1970crow said:
Still on the mimosas. The question I was asking is that how wrong were you with respect to Murphy/Milera being close to selection? I'm not saying you're a poor judge in terms of who we should select, I was just reminding you that you're a poor judge of who we will select. 2 different things.
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I'm a hopeful judge, clouds better judgement TBH.

I don't think we'll see him next week, more likely Berry or Pedlar for Peatling. It would be one of the worst in a long line of poor selection decisions of the Nicks era
 
cleanhands said:
I still think he’ll make our 22
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I think he's currently best 22, but I don't think he'll make it. I'd have him comfortably ahead of both Laird and Milera behind the ball, but neither is subject to performance based selection. So he'll have to get on a wing, which won't happen. Cumming is locked and if we dump Sholl, we can't handle the bad press of dumping Curtin or Draper.
 
1970crow said:
I think he's currently best 22, but I don't think he'll make it. I'd have him comfortably ahead of both Laird and Milera behind the ball, but neither is subject to performance based selection. So he'll have to get on a wing, which won't happen. Cumming is locked and if we dump Sholl, we can't handle the bad press of dumping Curtin or Draper.
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Aside from Thursday, Laird has been pretty good so far this season.

Milera very meh, but showed a few tiny good signs Thursday in the first half.

Bring Dowling in on the wing and play Cumming off half back.
 
Cromulant said:
I'm a hopeful judge, clouds better judgement TBH.

I don't think we'll see him next week, more likely Berry or Pedlar for Peatling. It would be one of the worst in a long line of poor selection decisions of the Nicks era
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Note that even I thought coaches had ruled a line though Murph. It's only that Sloane basically stated he'd be back in. And I agree, our senior coach is exactly the type of idiot to select 4 talls and then try and fix that problem by creating another problem. Philosophically, I don't think our club gets it. We're not outcome orientated, we're process based.
 
Cromulant said:
Aside from Thursday, Laird has been pretty good so far this season.

Milera very meh, but showed a few tiny good signs Thursday in the first half.

Bring Dowling in on the wing and play Cumming off half back.
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Laird is a meaningless stat padder, he neither progresses our attacking or defensive action. He seagulls sideways receipts and sideways delivery, like Crouch in the midfield. No continually competitive side has stat padding crabs that don't progress forwards.
 
1970crow said:
Laird is a meaningless stat padder, he neither progresses our attacking or defensive action. He seagulls sideways receipts and sideways delivery, like Crouch in the midfield. No continually competitive side has stat padding crabs that don't progress forwards.
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He's one of the only members of our starting back 6 who is good at the ground ball, and until Thursday the ball wasn't hitting the sky by foot.

We can't have he AND Milera the side, but I think Laird has a place unless the form tails off to the level he was at on Thursday.

Think Oscar Ryan might be ahead of Jones too
 
1970crow said:
Jones as a hard nut small defender is pretty exciting to me. He's fast, he competes hard and he then moves the ball forward and can break lines. He's ahead of both Laird and Milera comfortably to my eye. The bad wing year he had upon return currently matches Cumming's, I'm not arguing he get a wing spot, I'm only suggesting he should be ahead of a receiving and go nowhere defender like Laird.
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He good by feet. Poor decision making all over. Hard nut defender is generous; he one those that appears to give effort. Doesnt impact. He can panick under pressure more than most, some the clangers I've seen, nah sorry, that's not Afl level. Saw him one on one back once try toe poke ball off the ground going back towards goal, wouldnt bend down pick it up or take the body, thats all he had to do. Wouldn't be putting him back defence. We tried him everywhere, wing is his last spot. Depth at best, I'd try trade but doubt get anything for him. He's gone, he won't come back unless we desperate
 
Cromulant said:
He's one of the only members of our starting back 6 who is good at the ground ball, and until Thursday the ball wasn't hitting the sky by foot.

We can't have he AND Milera the side, but I think Laird has a place unless the form tails off to the level he was at on Thursday.

Think Oscar Ryan might be ahead of Jones too
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I've been too macro, I don't know which of Laird or Milera that needs to go first. I just know that one must. Just like I know that Matt Crouch makes our midfield worse and playing Curtin ahead of the ball with TT, Tex and Fog makes our overall 22 less powerful.
 

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1970crow said:
I've been too macro, I don't know which of Laird or Milera that needs to go first. I just know that one must. Just like I know that Matt Crouch makes our midfield worse and playing Curtin ahead of the ball with TT, Tex and Fog makes our overall 22 less powerful.
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Laird out Bond in.
Bond won't pick and chose when to contend.
 
Cromulant said:
He's one of the only members of our starting back 6 who is good at the ground ball, and until Thursday the ball wasn't hitting the sky by foot.

We can't have he AND Milera the side, but I think Laird has a place unless the form tails off to the level he was at on Thursday.

Think Oscar Ryan might be ahead of Jones too
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Yes, Laird deserves his place in defence & had a good year.

Playing Milera is the issue as he had been more poor than good & we have better options to better balance our defence.
 
triggyscrewedus said:
Laird out Bond in.
Bond won't pick and chose when to contend.
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Bond should have been in against Cats smalls & again v GWS.

Milera should be out ahead or Laird though if you are judging on form over the year.
 
FullyBigKPro said:
Has to be a minimum of 5 changes if Nicks is fair dinkum.

Peatling (susp)
Sholl (omitted)
ROB (omitted)
Draper (rested/managed)
Curtin (rested/managed)

Ins
McAndrew (cant be any worse than ROB)
Dowling
Bond
Shoenburg or Pedlar
Butts (need someone to lock down on Hogan)
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Why would you drop Draper and Curtin in a home game? If you want to rest them, do it on a interstate trip.
 

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FullyBigKPro said:
We desperately lack a REAL proper pressure lightning quick small forward.... Especially now Rankine is playing 70~% mid.
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I was hoping Rachele might develop into just that.
He's raw and rough around the edges (only 22yo, 3 or 4 years before he peaks) with that wild exuberance of living his dream, but he will mature.
We've missed him.
FullyBigKPro said:
Cant play all those talls and not have ANY pressure or ability to lock the ball in.
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Rankine needs to up his forward pressure when he's in there; in fact, I think ALL of our forwards need to apply more pressure to keep the ball in our F50.
FullyBigKPro said:
ANB and Keays are half forward arc to arc players, not pure pressure small forwards.
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Yes and I wouldn't want either of them to act as crumbers.
Keays has found a role in which he excels. I don't wanna rock that boat!
FullyBigKPro said:
Seeing all these teams with mosquito fleet pressure forwards makes me very nervous when we get to the pointy end of the season :embarrassedv1:
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With respect, we have to get there first. We have bigger fish to fry:
--- how to get the best out of our best-23 which is clearly not settled yet in spite of (because of?) Nicks stubbornness.
--- RoB and ruck supply to our mids, not to mention his woeful kicking and gameplay around the ground
--- our defence who make a lot of individual clangers gifting oppo goals
--- Nicks has not worked out, with or without VB, what our best mid combos are.
--- what to do with Sholl and Milera.
 
FullyBigKPro said:
Fair - I love Dan and Sid but you could tell the other night they are screaming for a rest.
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We definitely erred. Draper, Curtin and Walker are the three who clearly needed a break either vs Geelong or Gold Coast.

Splitting the Draper/Curtin rests would have been shrewd.

Sadly we are so sold on continuity that we cannot do anything proactive or sensible, despite the decades of awful results seeking continuity above all else has brought.
 

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