Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[Stocks_go_Up]

Its so much simpler to release footage of the plane.

Why have they never?

So many questions.

Its simple to look at the multiple images of the AA fuselage smashed all over the grass. How can you look at those images and read/watch witness reports saying it was an AA jet and STILL claim it was a missile with NO evidence showing any signs of a missile? How can someones brain work like this?

 

[vealesy]

I never said it was a missile.

I dont understand why the footage has never been released?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

I never said it was a missile.

I dont understand why the footage has never been released?

The Loose Change guys did, and everyone seems to be using their arguments for the conspiracy movement. Which footage are you talking about? A few court orders attempted to get them to release two from the nearby hotel and the service station - they did get released and they ended up not even showing the correct location, all you could see was an explosion in the background. The courts seem to think there is no legal right to releasing everything since the criminal trial of the event has already taken place.

Based on the photos I showed you, do you believe it was an American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon or not?

 

[vealesy]

Not based on those photos, no.

I want to see the complete footage and an explanation of why the frames before the explosion were cut.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Not based on those photos, no.

I want to see the complete footage and an explanation of why the frames before the explosion were cut.

What do you think it is?
Do you accept that it looks very similar to the logo section on an AA plane?
Do you accept that multiple witnesses say they saw an AA plane hit the pentagon?

It if looks like a duck, quacks like a duck - its a hippo.

 

[vealesy]

Just show the footage?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Just show the footage?

You didn't answer my questions. How can you deny something so clear - I really don't understand how you can deny that the photo is of a piece of an American Airlines jet?

They have already shown footage, I told you this. It didn't show what the conspiracy theorists wanted so apparently there are more that show the incident (there is no way they could know this if they haven't seen the footage). CCTV is used mainly for entrances, not pointing at the side of the Pentagon. Over 100 witness testimonies saying a AA Jet hit the Pentagon.

Are all these people lying as well? Please answer this question.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77_Crash_Evidence

If you are still not convinced a American Airlines plane hit the Pentagon I really give up. I'm not sure how you form your beliefs but they are not based on reality or fact.

 

[evo]

To me referring to 'evidence' in this thread gives the whole thing too much credibility. This is like saying the evidence suggests 1+1=2. This is moronic stuff.

We have hundreds, if not thousands of people, all in on a vast government conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent pople (so all serial killers) all for money or oil or god knows what.

Not one credible person comes out and says "i was paid money to tell a security guard to take the day off and when I found out it was part of a conspiracy to get middle east oil - I just had to come forward."

Not one credible person says "I was told I could make a million dollars, all I had to do is sign a form saying I would conspire to kill thousands of people and keep quiet about it, now I have spent all that money and Oprah is offering me another million to speak up."

Not one credible person says "I was given a job to plant dynamite in the world trade centre, but it seemed a little fishy to me ... so I called in sick that day"

Im only saying 'credible' because perhaps there has me some dude come out on imondrugs.com and say they were offered a job to pretend to be an islamic extremist, but they decided to turn it down because they werent comfortable with the whole crashing a plane into a building and dying thing.

That's right.

They couldn't even keep the Iran-Contra scandal a secret and that was entirely involving government loyal types in the army and CIA. Imagine how many civilians would have had to been involved to fake even half the stuff 'Truthers'are alledging.

There is always an Oliver North when a lot of people get involved.

 

[Daytripper]

Perhaps vealsey would like to explain what happened to the actual plane and its passengers as well.

Bermuda Triangle?

 

[Coledinho]

Most of the 9/11 "truthers" hold a grudge and hate for the US goverment. That is where it all starts, they also tend to have a hate for themselves. It is kind of sad that 10 years on people are still trying to convince themselves this was one big US government setup - the evidence simply doesn't point to that. Popular mechanics went and interviewed the coroner who's job it was to try ID all the charred remains from flight 93 - The Loose Change morons believe a missile hit the Pentagon. Try telling that to the people who were cleaning up the remains of an American Airlines Fuselage on the grass outside, or the poor bastards that had to try rescue the burning people and bodies from the wreckage. Absolute disgrace.

Kind of a backwards comment. If you think the government is lieing of course you are going to hate it. One creates the other.

I suggest you buy Jesse Venturas book Conspiracies and give it a read. This is a man who clearly doesnt have America, he hates the Bush government... well who doesnt (besides Fox News), he puts forward a pretty reasonable argument and yet no one has come out and answered the question the book brings up

Why?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Kind of a backwards comment. If you think the government is lieing of course you are going to hate it. One creates the other.

I suggest you buy Jesse Venturas book Conspiracies and give it a read. This is a man who clearly doesnt have America, he hates the Bush government... well who doesnt (besides Fox News), he puts forward a pretty reasonable argument and yet no one has come out and answered the question the book brings up

Why?

All questions brought up in Loose Change have been answered in the popular mechanics article and subsequent book, as well as the full 9/11 commission report. It's about 1000 pages, go have a read.

 

[Coledinho]

All questions brought up in Loose Change have been answered in the popular mechanics article and subsequent book, as well as the full 9/11 commission report. It's about 1000 pages, go have a read.

They answer the inane and stupid questions as opposed to the questions that actually have merit IMO. Look at how quickly they skim over the third building falling over (essentially answer the question by asking another different question mind you) not to mention the topic of melted steel etc. That is the real question, not whether two bloody airline planes flew into the buildings or not

Like Jesse Ventura the questions I want answered involved bending steel causing a building to fall at the rate it did.

 

[exe ex machina]

smh at The Emu and others still beating the same drum of the O/S.

 

[Daytripper]

well who doesnt (besides Fox News)[/B],

GWB was elected for his full two terms - which is better than what will most probably happen to Obama. Who is apparently 'amazingly popular'.

And I always LOL at the Fox news comments especially from people in Australia. Its on a nondescript channel on the Foxtel network yet going by the amount of comments over it you would think it is watched by more people than Masterchef.

I'll also pass on buying Jesse Ventura's book.
Just another conspiracy theorist exploiting the intellectually backward for his own personal gain.

 

[Coledinho]

GWB was elected for his full two terms - which is better than what will most probably happen to Obama. Who is apparently 'amazingly popular'.

And I always LOL at the Fox news comments especially from people in Australia. Its on a nondescript channel on the Foxtel network yet going by the amount of comments over it you would think it is watched by more people than Masterchef.

I'll also pass on buying Jesse Ventura's book.
Just another conspiracy theorist exploiting the intellectually backward for his own personal gain.

He wrote the book on behalf of a private backer (Dick Russell) who donated the money to a 9/11 fund. He has already stated he didnt profit from the book.

 

[Stretford End]

From my point of view i don't see how anyone can say without a shadow of a doubt that it was all Al-Qaeda with no outer influences.

I also have a theory that Israel, America and the Rothschild family were behind 9/11 it's pretty out there but when you look at it it's a win win for everyone.

 

[Coledinho]

smh at The Emu and others still beating the same drum of the O/S.

The irony of the Popular Mechanics piece is they imbed about 3 or 4 of there own conspiracy theories with absolute no proof as a form of answering the previous conspiracy theory. Its a "we dont have a real answer so we will make one up" line of thinking really

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

I think we will all just have to agree to disagree. This really isn't going anywhere. If a clear photograph of a piece of an AA plane on the lawn and over 100 eye witnesses saying an AA jet hit the pentagon doesn't convince you it happened then nothing will. There really is no point to this thread, because the discussion leads no where.

 

[Coledinho]

I think we will all just have to agree to disagree. This really isn't going anywhere. If a clear photograph of a piece of an AA plane on the lawn and over 100 eye witnesses saying an AA jet hit the pentagon doesn't convince you it happened then nothing will. There really is no point to this thread, because the discussion leads no where.

I personally believe a plane hit the Penatagon. I just dont believe the towers came down on there own the way that has been explained. I have found nothing to disprove this besides heresay and counter conspiracies.

 

[Daytripper]

He wrote the book on behalf of a private backer (Dick Russell) who donated the money to a 9/11 fund. He has already stated he didnt profit from the book.

There really is a sucker born every minute.

 

[Coledinho]

There really is a sucker born every minute.

Im sure his mansion in Mexico City is pimped out because of that book

Even still the idea someone would sell out to a conspiracy book (someone with pretty big political ties/aspirations) is a even dumber conspiracy then the one he is peddling is it not

 

[Daytripper]

I personally believe a plane hit the Penatagon. I just dont believe the towers came down on there own the way that has been explained. I have found nothing to disprove this besides heresay and counter conspiracies.

How about logic?

Why would they blow up a building when the ones next door have been hit by planes?

Crony 1: Listen, we know that two hijacked planes are going to hit the twin towers. And that another one is scheduled to be flown into the Pentagon. However, we need to do more as its obvious that this isn't enough to inspire panic.

Crony 2: I know, lets blow up one of those smaller buildings next door to the twin towers. That will be sure to get some publicity then.

Crony 1: Brilliant. However, aren't we running a risk of being discovered? Surely the risk v reward ratio is way out of whack.

Crony 2: Nobody will notice.

Crony 1: But we will need tons of explosives, operatives to plant them, engineers to plan (we need it to land in its own footprint okay - don't ask me why, its not important), transport etc. And the building is in one of the most populated places on earth.

Crony 2: Everyone will be paid off and we will do all the work at night.

Crony 1: For 6 months?

Crony 2: Yes, easy done.

Crony 1: And just one more thing What if the planes miss the twin towers or the hijacking fails? Won't it look a bit silly if we are forced to just blow up a building for no reason at all?

Crony 2: We'll just blame terrorists.

Crony 1: But logistically its not possiblt to blow up a building that size in one act. It need months and months of work.

Crony 2: You worry too much. We've got people on the inside in the media. It will be right.

Crony 1: Okay then. lets do it.

 

[exe ex machina]

I think we will all just have to agree to disagree. This really isn't going anywhere.

So, after weeks/months/years of slanderous or rude comments from you (and many many others) towards those who do not believe the official story (let alone those who believe the conspiracy theory), it's ok to amicably play "let's agree to disagree"?

I will single out every one of the OSers for extended derision when the official story ultimately ends up being exposed. It is always being shown up over the years already (enough for any logical person to back away from believing it), and will continue to be exposed, but one day when it is clear cut...in meantime click the second last asterisk in my signature.

 

[Daytripper]

Im sure his mansion in Mexico City is pimped out because of that book

Even still the idea someone would sell out to a conspiracy book (someone with pretty big political ties/aspirations) is a even dumber conspiracy then the one he is peddling is it not

Jesse Ventura is a laughing stock in America.
Everything he does is for his own personal benefit.

How much did you pay for the book?

 

[Daytripper]

I will single out every one of the OSers for extended derision when the official story ultimately ends up being exposed.

Haha - be my guest.