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Richmond reveals grand plan for 40,000-seat stadium at Punt Rd

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March 17, 2016 7:05pm

MARK ROBINSON Herald Sun

RICHMOND has proposed a glittering third stadium for Melbourne as an alternative to Eddie McGuire’s proposed 60,000-seat extravaganza across the railway tracks.

The Tigers’ Punt Rd Oval master plan centres on a new stadium with up to 40,000 seats and a fans’ zone area between the ground and the neighbouring MCG.

Importantly, Richmond railway station is part of the redevelopment plan.

“Is a third stadium worth exploring? I don’t know, that will be up to the AFL, but we want to be in the discussion,’’ Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale told the Herald Sun.

An architect’s impression of how Punt Rd Oval would look as a 40,000-seat AFL venue, with a rejuvenated Richmond station as part of the master plan.

Former AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou was a key supporter of the plans when they were mooted in 2013 and the cost of an 18,000-seat stadium was put at $180 million.

A capacity increased to 40,000 would mean a blowout to an estimated $380 million.

It is understood senior AFL officials have seen architects’ drawings, revealed by the Herald Sun.

Funding would be expected to come from the AFL and the State Government and would not require the sale of Etihad Stadium, like the McGuire plan.

Gale said Punt Rd was an obvious choice for a third venue.

“We are in the process of developing a master plan for this precinct,” Gale said.

“Back in 2013, Demetriou was the driver of this and the attraction for them was having a lower capacity, lower cost stadium for smaller fixtures.

“And also stadium economics and finances are the biggest driver of disparity of wealth (among clubs) and we could try to address that by having a third venue.

“So, Andrew said ‘would you be interested in having a look at it for Punt Rd?’

“Punt Rd should be in the frame. It’s an existing venue, it wouldn’t require the selling of Etihad, and the Richmond railway station has been the agenda for a number of years and maybe this gives the government the opportunity to redevelop that.”

The debate ignited when Collingwood president McGuire suggested a new stadium on the Hisense Arena site prompted the Richmond senior management to put the Punt Rd plans back on the agenda at a meeting two weeks ago. The MCC was also briefed.

There is no State Government engagement as yet, but Gale believes Premier Daniel Andrews, who is also a supporter in principle of McGuire’s stadium plan, should be a substantial funds contributor.

“The economic impact of this game is huge, $3 billion, half a million members, how many fans are there in Victoria?’’ Gale said.

“This game is a huge driver of this economy. And I think we’re entitled to question the extent our government invests in football relative to other states.”

How a redeveloped Punt Rd Oval will look next to the MCG.

It is understood the AFL favours a refurbishment of Etihad Stadium rather than selling it and building at Hisense Arena, and Gale agrees.

“Our personal view is we keep Etihad Stadium,” he said.

“It’s going to be worth $1 billion and we’ve got an 18th share in that in 2026. It’s a huge asset for the competition.

“So, what’s attractive about this is the capacity of maybe 40,000, which would support the business models of some clubs.”

McGuire’s plan, which would cost an estimated $1 billion, has the support of several clubs and major events king Ron Walker.

But not everyone believes it would be the right move. Former Premier Jeff Kennett has said the idea was already “dead and buried”.

The Tigers have a lease at Punt Rd and would use it as club HQ and training ground.

They believe a redevelopment of the railway station, with a new stadium on the way to the MCG, would enhance one of the world’s best sporting precincts.

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My initial thoughts are that it seems like a more feasible option and could be done overnight compared to Eddies grand plan. Leave the car/park as is though..

Not sure what Richmond's angle is? 40,000 would only cater for a handful of games themselves, such as RFC vs GC, GWS, Freo, etc.
 
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Why build it at Punt rd and spend a huge amount upgrading Richmond station?

Build it in North Melbourne, take advantage of the already large Nth Melbourne station as well as the new Arden underground station as part of the Metro Rail link.

Imagine 2 games on at similar times at these 2 venues, as well as AAMI Park, it would be a nightmare.

I think Punt Rd and Hoddle street need to be addressed before even contemplating putting another stadium in there.

Also, you'd essentially be demolishing Richmonds' brand new training facility which the government just kicked in for.
 
They already need to build a pedestrian ramp connecting Richmond stat to the G. Northern & Western lines already connect to Etihad.

Looks like there's more room at Punt rd to build a stadium than at Arden st I'd have thought.
 
The stadium looks like shit.

$380 million to look like the illegitimate love child of the old Olympic Stadium in Munich and Bruce Stadium in Canberra?

I'm in staunch favour of building a 30-40k seater in the precinct, but the design needs to be completely rethought.
 

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The stadium looks like shit.

$380 million to look like the illegitimate love child of the old Olympic Stadium in Munich and Bruce Stadium in Canberra?

I'm in staunch favour of building a 30-40k seater in the precinct, but the design needs to be completely rethought.
It'd look alright if the smaller roof on the SE side was similar to the larger NW one.
 
It'd look alright if the smaller roof on the SE side was similar to the larger NW one.

It cant be because of the restrictions in space.

Have you seen how much room there would be to build a stand against hoddle street and brunton avenue?

It's why Punt rd is a terrible idea, too many restrictions and too many negatives imo.
 
Like the McGuire idea it's okay on the surface but really very little thought has gone into it.

It always worries me when someone has no idea how to fund something besides Government money. Richmond just want a free upgrade.
 
It'd look alright if the smaller roof on the SE side was similar to the larger NW one.

Think similar to Dublin's Aviva Stadium, but without the asymmetric wonkiness.

A transparent roof and two large American style end zones at either end with a massive scoreboard and a glass wall behind each one. Natural light, smart, modern, etc. Actually, think a much smaller, slightly different Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

Three tiers on both sides at a similar capacity to Adelaide Oval's Eastern stand. 38,000 plus two end zone areas accomodating 3,000 people each gives you a very manageable 44,000 capacity.

I'm a lawyer and I can come up with this shit. Up your game, RMIT rejects.
 
It cant be because of the restrictions in space.

Have you seen how much room there would be to build a stand against hoddle street and brunton avenue?

It's why Punt rd is a terrible idea, too many restrictions and too many negatives imo.
I know they'd have to move the ground over a bit, looks like they did that in the drawing
 
Think similar to Dublin's Aviva Stadium, but without the asymmetric wonkiness.

A transparent roof and two large American style end zones at either end with a massive scoreboard and a glass wall behind each one. Natural light, smart, modern, etc. Actually, think a much smaller, slightly different Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

Three tiers on both sides at a similar capacity to Adelaide Oval's Eastern stand. 38,000 plus two end zone areas accomodating 3,000 people each gives you a very manageable 44,000 capacity.

I'm a lawyer and I can come up with this shit. Up your game, RMIT rejects.
hahaha, I was thinking roughly the same, 46,000 seats, standing room behind the cheer squads to allow for a capacity of just over 50,000.
 
Two big floors, the members stand is on the heritage list and the other wing is up against the road so where is the stadium going to get built? I don't care where the new stadium is built as long as it's done. I would want the AFL to fund the stadium and not the government
 
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Great to see they have seamlessly integrated the 100+ year old Jack Dyer stand into the new designs :mad: Not a single word on heritage in that article FFS, and a little less of Yarra Park for every new generation it seems.

Think its a far better idea than the McGuire fantasy, but needs to be done right.

Let's assume Punt Road is untouchable, Brunton Avenue becomes an underpass and the new stand curls around from Richmond social club until it hits Punt Road. That's a huge arc and would have a large capacity. The Jack Dyer stand is retained and that iconic view of the terraces across punt road is also preserved, the little grassy strip on the Punt road side becomes 'The Hill'. Richmond station NW side then exits on the doorstep of the new stand, and there is no more russian roulette for everyone trying to get across Brunton av to the MCG as there is now.

Now wouldn't that be a unique, boutique venue? But no, they'll demolish everything and build a cookie cutter stadium sprawling over what's left of Yarra Park, and probably squeeze in another lane for Punt Rd and Brunton av. while they are at it. It's the Australian way.
 

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So if I'm reading it correctly, we'd still be based there? That's good at least.

I think its maybe more feasible than the 60,000 seat stadium proposal but not 100% sure it would be the best long term option - I doubt we would play many games there, even against interstate sides.
 
Why build a 2nd/3rd stadium right next the the first. it makes no sense and would restrict scheduling. It is unfeasible to have two major sporting events right next to each other at roughly the same time. Three if you count AAMI Park NRL matches.

It would very unusual for there to be two AFL game scheduled simultaneously due to TV coverage. Broadcasters have payed good money to telecast every game and if their is overlap then this creates reduced ratings for both games. If Punt Road was redeveloped it would not cause problems with parking and public transport because patrons would use the MCG carparking.

In terms of NRL games and AAMI stadium, the second stadium would not compete with other codes games any more than events held at the MCG. Plus all bias aside, it is not the AFLs concern how other codes fair from this development regardless considering the comparative low interest in the sports in this state.
 
So if I'm reading it correctly, we'd still be based there? That's good at least.

I think its maybe more feasible than the 60,000 seat stadium proposal but not 100% sure it would be the best long term option - I doubt we would play many games there, even against interstate sides.

In terms on Richmond. the rewards would come from training and facilities rather than Home games. Even if the Tigers played GWS they would typically get crowds in the 30 thousand mark so the venue would be unlikely to be used for H&A games. Perhaps some games could be scheduled there against GWS, GC, Port, Fremantle & Brisbane but this may cause contractual issues with the MCG and Etihad. Richmonds VFL team would definitely benefit from the redevelopment.

In terms of the Competition it would benefit the smaller clubs, it would help the VFL Competition and growing Female football, Cricket could be played there including Big Bash games and Women's Big Bash games.

All in all I think ripping down a huge asset such as Etihad and Hisense Arena to build a extremely expensive stadium is ludicrous when it would be a much more practical and cheaper option to just redevelop an existing ground that is already right next door to the MCG.
 
In terms on Richmond. the rewards would come from training and facilities rather than Home games. Even if the Tigers played GWS they would typically get crowds in the 30 thousand mark so the venue would be unlikely to be used for H&A games. Perhaps some games could be scheduled there against GWS, GC, Port, Fremantle & Brisbane but this may cause contractual issues with the MCG and Etihad. Richmonds VFL team would definitely benefit from the redevelopment.

In terms of the Competition it would benefit the smaller clubs, it would help the VFL Competition and growing Female football, Cricket could be played there including Big Bash games and Women's Big Bash games.

All in all I think ripping down a huge asset such as Etihad and Hisense Arena to build a extremely expensive stadium is ludicrous when it would be a much more practical and cheaper option to just redevelop an existing ground that is already right next door to the MCG.
As soon as i heard Eddies plan (which i like) i thought to myself that Punt Rd would be a better option
 

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As soon as i heard Eddies plan (which i like) i thought to myself that Punt Rd would be a better option

Just doesn't make sense to destroy to sporting stadiums and build another when there is already a ground right next door to the MCG that would do everything Eddie is proposing but for a fraction of the price and at the same time keep a very profitable stadium as well. The AFL would get its cake and get to eat it too
 
Just doesn't make sense to destroy to sporting stadiums and build another when there is already a ground right next door to the MCG that would do everything Eddie is proposing but for a fraction of the price and at the same time keep a very profitable stadium as well. The AFL would get its cake and get to eat it too
Richmond would probably have to give up their rights to the stadium for AFL to get on board.
Not saying they would be based there, just that the AFL would want the lease so that they control it.

Tiges would get a really good base AFL would get a stadium for smaller drawing games
 
It would very unusual for there to be two AFL game scheduled simultaneously due to TV coverage. Broadcasters have payed good money to telecast every game and if their is overlap then this creates reduced ratings for both games. If Punt Road was redeveloped it would not cause problems with parking and public transport because patrons would use the MCG carparking.

In terms of NRL games and AAMI stadium, the second stadium would not compete with other codes games any more than events held at the MCG. Plus all bias aside, it is not the AFLs concern how other codes fair from this development regardless considering the comparative low interest in the sports in this state.
but it still limits time slots. you cant have 30K people going to punt road at the same time as 40K people are leaving the MCG for example. think how large the investment in Richmond station and the surrounds would have to be to safely deal with this. u would still need to give people time to leave one venue and for others to arrive at another. if u include another potential 20K and 10K from nearby Melbourne Park and AAMI Park, the problem becomes even worse. it would be chaos everywhere in and around Richmond Station. it is a hassle which is not worth it IMO

As a government, an investment in a stadium right next day door to a much larger one, which will limit availability at times, which can only house AFL matches, and would require significant investment in and around Richmond is not value for money. this would only benefit the AFL, and no one else.

and when since has Richmond been a small club. when it was first mooted(the 3rd stadium), it was primary for North and WB. I know enough to know that they are on the other side of the city to Punt road
 
but it still limits time slots. you cant have 30K people going to punt road at the same time as 40K people are leaving the MCG for example. think how large the investment in Richmond station and the surrounds would have to be to safely deal with this. u would still need to give people time to leave one venue and for others to arrive at another. if u include another potential 20K and 10K from nearby Melbourne Park and AAMI Park, the problem becomes even worse. it would be chaos everywhere in and around Richmond Station. it is a hassle which is not worth it IMO

As a government, an investment in a stadium right next day door to a much larger one, which will limit availability at times, which can only house AFL matches, and would require significant investment in and around Richmond is not value for money. this would only benefit the AFL, and no one else.

and when since has Richmond been a small club. when it was first mooted(the 3rd stadium), it was primary for North and WB. I know enough to know that they are on the other side of the city to Punt road


I would not imagine the AFL would schedule two games consecutively played. I can't remember the last time they even played two consecutive games at the MCG & Etihad. So using this precedent it would not be an issue at all.

In terms of benefits only going to the AFL, I think this is a little short sighted. Yes the AFL would have rights to the ground, just as they will to Etihad, so they will be able to use it to play the lower drawing games but they would also be able to use the ground for VFL and the new women's league.

Outside of the AFL, Cricket would be able to utilise the venue through summer for all forms of the game and for the female BBL too. Major events, festivals and concerts could also be staged here.

This would be a huge benefit to Melbourne and would offer everything Eddie hoped to get from his stadium but with none of the financial drawbacks. Its a win/win for everyone
 
Richmond would probably have to give up their rights to the stadium for AFL to get on board.
Not saying they would be based there, just that the AFL would want the lease so that they control it.

Tiges would get a really good base AFL would get a stadium for smaller drawing games

Richmond would have to give up financial rights for the venue for games but it could still benefit from an improved home ground for its VFL side, better facilities, possible additional sponsorship and funds generated from merchandise and facility use. So it would still be a major win for the club.

Conversely it would be significantly greater revenue for the smaller clubs for any games played there and for the VFL, Women's AFL League, Cricket and possible major events and concerts.

For $380 mill as apposed to the 1 + billion Eddie proposes to build his stadium plus losing any future revenue from the sale of Etihad and Tennis Australia losing Hinense, its a no brainer! :D
 

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