Autopsy R22 Freo Hoodoo Gurus, First Win v Port at AO

[DeadEyeJye]

Always kick the goal.
Unless you’re Melbourne, worst case is likely a draw. You kick a point, 44 seconds is a long time to defend without proper structure. At least 6-6-6 they have trained the scenario a hundred times everyone is on the same page.
On defending a kick in you can practise it but there are far more variables to try & defend that you have no control over.

If you really wanted to take an option like that, but you’d have to be a point in front, you’d kick it out on the full if you weren’t confident of kicking the goal, that way you can slow the resulting kick in & make them kick up the line which is easier to defend.

But surely if you were a point up the desired outcome would still be a goal, so the oppo needs 2 scores to win.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

But surely if you were a point up the desired outcome would still be a goal, so the oppo needs 2 scores to win.

I reckon if you knew how long you had left and you weren't confident of kicking the goal you might see a situation where you could get some extra time off by taking as long as you can to take the kick then playing on, flick a few handpasses around, then head towards the boundary near the point post. Bit like in soccer when they waste time by taking the ball to the corner flag..

 

[Paracleet]

I can't think of any scenario it works in except maybe one where you are trying to get a more favourable fixture in the finals (like you want to finish 8th rather than 7th because the 5th place team have bradburied into it), and it happens to comes down to a win by more than 2 points being too much. Pretty unlikely.

Assuming scores are level you are either better off with the extra buffer, because there is still 30 plus seconds left after you shoot or you are so close to the end it makes no difference. Remember we know from the miracle on grass the ball can be transitioned end to end in around 15 to 20 seconds (and thats with the players spread end to end, not after a set shot).

Obviously if you are behind you have to goal, and if you are in front then an extra goal will kill it.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

But surely if you were a point up the desired outcome would still be a goal, so the oppo needs 2 scores to win.

Of course, but that would be in the scenario where you less than there’s 15 seconds left when you kick & you are not confident of kicking the goal.
You kick a point they can get the ball straight off the ball boy.
Out of bounds it takes longer. They still get 15 secs but you can defend it much easier than from a kick in.
Ideally you hit an easy mark option & kill the game.
But it’s all purely hypothetical & just thinking of a way where a goal may not be the option.

 

[Bringbacktheeighties]

the reason why 3qtr comebacks results in either a flag in melbournes case in 1946 and collingwodd 2022 prelim, is because when the whips are cracking, mano a mano the last quarter shows whos better when hey are trying their best.

There is definitely some precedents that show we are repeating history.

Melbourne’s flag was 2 years later but they did play in the GF that year. Collingwood won the GF the following year. As Lee my last post.

Also, I just watched the last quarter of our final against Geelong in 2013 and they said that we had won 4 of or last 5, 4th quarters before that game.

Sound familiar?

 

[Taylor]

Something of concern amongst the celebration of the moose mark and goal.
Watching the replay again today and with Moose drifting across the front of the pack the other players in that pack
were Darcy, Jackson and Voss . They were all set to compete with each other for that mark.
It actually looked like Vossy would have marked the ball if Alex hadn’t been there; but all three of our big guys flying for that ?

There was a period where none of the tall forwards were creating a contest at all, so bringing it to ground for another crumbed kick at goal or stoppage is fine. Way better than an intercept mark against.

 

[Cobbler]

Genuine question:

Would it have been better for Alex Pearce to kick a behind, rather than a goal? The clock stopped at 44 seconds. Which is the better scenario:

• 1 point ahead, defending a kick in.
• 6 points ahead with a centre bounce.

I wonder if we'll ever see a situation in the AFL where a player deliberately misses a set shot in a close match to avoid a 6-6-6 CBA. I think it makes sense to do so if there's less than 30 second on the clock.

This is the sort of game awareness the players need. I’m not saying it’s the smart or correct thing to do, but these sort of scenarios at minimum need a discussion in their game scenario reviews.

It is why I was so livid when O’Driscoll received the ball after Erasmus received the 50m penalty. We were up 5. He called for it wide about 55-60m out. Then held the ball, when he could’ve run to 50m and had a shot. A behind at least means we’re a goal up and if he slotted it, then awesome. He held the ball then tried to pin pint a pass inside 50m out that was basically 30m out directly in front but the spoil came and they rebounded.

Out of all the dumb things he did, which included getting done for HTB on the wing, this to me was by far the most brain dead play of the night.

 

[Footskill]

This is the sort of game awareness the players need. I’m not saying it’s the smart or correct thing to do, but these sort of scenarios at minimum need a discussion in their game scenario reviews.

It is why I was so livid when O’Driscoll received the ball after Erasmus received the 50m penalty. We were up 5. He called for it wide about 55-60m out. Then held the ball, when he could’ve run to 50m and had a shot. A behind at least means we’re a goal up and if he slotted it, then awesome. He held the ball then tried to pin pint a pass inside 50m out that was basically 30m out directly in front but the spoil came and they rebounded.

Out of all the dumb things he did, which included getting done for HTB on the wing, this to me was by far the most brain dead play of the night.

Yes. That was odd. He had a paddock around him and just waited to be manned up.

Also he has been caught htb in similar fashion on the wing in the last few minutes of the pies game

 

[thewiz0033]

The last fk of the game lol. Sweet literally took himself high and should’ve been a holding free to Darcy if anythingView attachment 2391993

I noticed that too. Couldn’t believe the free kick. Darcy’s arm was down How could sweet be taken high unless he fell into it.

 

[Eski3]

Hmmmm they backed themselves in to win the clearance with Darcy just smashing clear to the wing...

Risky but ce off. But the last time they did that against the bombers it didnt

The setup against Essendon was miles different. Merrett was goal side and didn't have a direct opponent at the stoppage. The communication was all off.

The two different setups actually show how much we have matured in scenarios with the game on the line

 

[oldgoat]

There was a period where none of the tall forwards were creating a contest at all, so bringing it to ground for another crumbed kick at goal or stoppage is fine. Way better than an intercept mark against.

Alir Alir was keeping them in it , 10 coaches votes!
(so good they named him twice?)
How close did we get to picking him up from Silly Sydney?

 

[yakamoto]

How close did we go to drafting him? Was he pre NGA times ?

 

[yakamoto]

Alir Alir drafted 2013 from East Freo by Sydney. Probably tall defender not a priority for us at that time as we had McPharlin, Johnson and Dawson still at the peak of their powers.

 

[Taylor]

How close did we go to drafting him? Was he pre NGA times ?

He was 3 years before NGA was created. Drafted 2013. He's two weeks from 31.

 

[chaosball32]

Woke up early and re-watched the game this morning.

Positives:

• Serong - workhorse
• Jackson - getting better and better
• Erasmus - didn’t properly appreciate his performance on first watch but that’s the best game he’s ever played. Was prevalent all night and looked very comfortable especially in congestion
• Worner - have said it before but I was wrong about this guy, has solidified his spot in the 22, always gives 100%
• Frederick - quietly good game, very involved
• Voss - 4th quarter specialist
• 1st quarter - dominated them all over the ground, would’ve been up by 6-7 goals if we’d kicked straight
• 4th quarter - we always manage to find another gear when the game is on the line

Negatives:

• Chapman - worst game he’s ever played
• Banfield - I don’t understand how he is an automatic selection every week when we have Simpson, Walker and Aish at Peel
• NOD, Amiss, Dudley - invisible
• Bolton - was great in the 1st half but became selfish as the game went on. That shot from 50+ out that went OOTF early in the 4th at a crucial point in the game was stupid
• 2nd quarter - one of our worst quarters for the year. We had no answer for Butters and our defenders were switched off
• Aerial contests - outmarked 107-76 despite playing two rucks and three tall forwards. There were times where our players didn’t even contest
• Umpiring - just as bad on replay

Very mixed bag but overall besides the awful 2nd quarter I thought we were the better team for much of the night. Should’ve probably won by more, but how many times have we said that this year.

 

[Taylor]

That shot from 50+ out that went OOTF early in the 4th at a crucial point in the game was stupid

It went exactly where he was running to, trying to get around the man on the mark.

 

[Eski3]

Alir Alir drafted 2013 from East Freo by Sydney. Probably tall defender not a priority for us at that time as we had McPharlin, Johnson and Dawson still at the peak of their powers.

It's actually much simpler than that - with the pick in that range we drafted Alex Pearce instead

 

[rgauci]

This is the sort of game awareness the players need. I’m not saying it’s the smart or correct thing to do, but these sort of scenarios at minimum need a discussion in their game scenario reviews.

It is why I was so livid when O’Driscoll received the ball after Erasmus received the 50m penalty. We were up 5. He called for it wide about 55-60m out. Then held the ball, when he could’ve run to 50m and had a shot. A behind at least means we’re a goal up and if he slotted it, then awesome. He held the ball then tried to pin pint a pass inside 50m out that was basically 30m out directly in front but the spoil came and they rebounded.

Out of all the dumb things he did, which included getting done for HTB on the wing, this to me was by far the most brain dead play of the night.

That’s likely to be following instructions, play to the pockets, take your time with the ball. Set up behind the mark etc etc. I think wasting a bit of time in close matches is seen as acceptable.

 

[Cobbler]

That’s likely to be following instructions, play to the pockets, take your time with the ball. Set up behind the mark etc etc. I think wasting a bit of time in close matches is seen as acceptable.

We were up by 5 with 4 minutes remaining and he tried to pin point a pass to 30m out directly in front of goal.

I think there’s instruction, but surely you just run to 50m and have a shot. He was literally miles in space.

The larger instruction IMO would be to try to do what you can to not lose the game. Up 5, you just need a point before they need 2 scores to win.

Anyway, I’m no coach, but the IQ on that particular play was low in real time for me and even worse when I rewatched the last quarter.

 

[ubiquitous226]

We were up by 5 with 4 minutes remaining and he tried to pin point a pass to 30m out directly in front of goal.

I think there’s instruction, but surely you just run to 50m and have a shot. He was literally miles in space.

The larger instruction IMO would be to try to do what you can to not lose the game. Up 5, you just need a point before they need 2 scores to win.

Anyway, I’m no coach, but the IQ on that particular play was low in real time for me and even worse when I rewatched the last quarter.

I agree on this one, I yelled at the screen when NOD kicked it, had to go for goal or to a contest near the boundary.

While for so long we've bemoaned us not hitting up leads that wasn't the right point of the game to go for that unless he was very sure he had a clear kick.

 

[Minz]

I agree on this one, I yelled at the screen when NOD kicked it, had to go for goal or to a contest near the boundary.

While for so long we've bemoaned us not hitting up leads that wasn't the right point of the game to go for that unless he was very sure he had a clear kick.

Noddy in his first season displayed a lovely raking left footed shot on goal. Would love him to have that confidence again!

 

[apuchar]

Yeah it seemed right up his alley, that scenario. Running shot from 40-45 on his left. We didn't even score a point from that play and left us with a vulnerable 5 point lead.

 

[oldgoat]

Genuine question:

Would it have been better for Alex Pearce to kick a behind, rather than a goal? The clock stopped at 44 seconds. Which is the better scenario:

• 1 point ahead, defending a kick in.
• 6 points ahead with a centre bounce.

I wonder if we'll ever see a situation in the AFL where a player deliberately misses a set shot in a close match to avoid a 6-6-6 CBA. I think it makes sense to do so if there's less than 30 second on the clock.

On "Simmo & Goss" (SEN wa) from yesterday, Simmo raises the possibility of coaching for the draw at the end of this game.
Worth watching, perhaps someone can put it up here?
Ignore the Gooseage, as Simmo does with candid coaching insights.
He is very bullish about Freo and forces the Goose to mutter assent thru gritted teeth!

 

[go_the_dockers]

On "Simmo & Goss" (SEN wa) from yesterday, Simmo raises the possibility of coaching for the draw at the end of this game.
Worth watching, perhaps someone can put it up here?
Ignore the Gooseage, as Simmo does with candid coaching insights.
He is very bullish about Freo and forces the Goose to mutter assent thru gritted teeth!

I do wonder if a draw was almost as good an outcome as a win.

Our percentage is shit.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

I do wonder if a draw was almost as good an outcome as a win.

Our percentage is shit.

Ladder wise there is no difference, morale & the optics of it would have been a negative.

A draw in that situation slows the momentum we have established.