Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

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You absolutely are. You're characterising the girl in a way that allows you to dismiss the hard evidence that's available in the video. I mean to say that she is thirsty because she tagged Ariana Grande in a tweet is genuinely laughable. Again though, the tweets that have been attributed to her from 5 years ago are awful, but even they don't change the actual content of the video, which was of them hurling abuse at women. On the evidence available, which you seem to want to cling to with regards to the Phillips thing, they were being smug, boorish pricks. And yet your reply is that, well, who knows what happened before the camera came out, they might have provoked it (which is classic victim-blaming when it comes to harassment btw). I don't know how you don't see the self-contradiction there.

And now you're also mis-representing me, GG. Don't make me rescind my honorable mention for you in the POTY thread! :p If you'll recall, I made no such judgement that they were racist. I don't have a position on that confrontation with Phillips. I know you've seen the whole video, and apparently in it they were making hand-chop signals, taunting about indigenous land rights and colonization, and other common pejoratives when it comes to American Indians. Did you see that? If so, I'd say that's a pretty conlusive answer to you question, but as I said, I'm not the one making that judgement as I havent seen it.
I'm not at all. You are just suggesting so because you don't like the answer. I don't give a shit about the kids. I don't care about left or right politics. But I do care about facts and what I view as right and wrong. The attack on the kids was wrong. Even if he called the ingenious man 20 racial slurs, the backlash was over the top - educate not humiliate.

"hard evidence" - that's has less evidence than the original footage that painted Sandman as a racist. It's 8 secs...after an interaction. That's the point. We have zero knowledge of what she said before or what the context even is. The thirsty comment was in response to you saying "why would she post it". Why? Just like Phillips lied. Get news time and potentially $$$ to sell the story. Would have thought that was easy enough to understand. Social media is a shit show of people begging for the one's above to 'like' or 'retweet' and she has proof of doing that so it justifies my point of her wanting a few like and follows.

They are separate incidents. One doesn't justify the other. The point is the racism between the boys and Phillips - not some distance shot people are clinging to as justification for the backlash. It's purely desperation. If a few video was released and those girls said nothing to antagonise etc. and the boys were rude etc. then their parents can say "hey, that was wrong. No more of that sort of stuff". Don't incident over. 90% of the population would be shot down if we start thinking back to how we reacted to the opposite sex when we were 16. I pinched a girl on the bum at a high school social when I was 16. She told me off, said it wasn't appreciated. Lesson learned never did it again. Interactions like that happen all the time but we are in for some trouble if we think hollering at the opposite sex deserves intense scrutiny and doxxing by adults.

Then I apologise for dragging you into that. That wasn't my intention. I've lost track at who I'm returning fire in here lol. Yes, I've seen it all. Boys were dancing assuming they were joining in etc. Phillips walked over to Sandman. Sandman stood still. His friends were giving the 'oooohhhhh what are you going to do Sandman?' which is part of the reason why the smirk started. Another indigenous man was getting vocal about them owning the land and it turned into a "you're European go home etc." and Sandman could tell it was getting out of hand so turned to his friend to shut it down...all over. As Sandman said in hindsight he should have just stepped aside but Phillips made no attempt to go around. We also know Phillips has done this in 2015 and lied about serving in Vietnam so you can't tell me he didn't want his 5 mins of fame.

But yeah end of discussion on this topic for me. I'm sick of it. I just hate seeing kids doxxed and receive death threats/trial by media. It's not on. If he called Phillips names send him to bloody Dr. Phil...not try and get scholarships removed, parents fired, death threats and all that. I'd say we are better than that but clearly we aren't.
 
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I'm not at all. You are just suggesting so because you don't like the answer. I don't give a shit about the kids. I don't care about left or right politics. But I do care about facts and what I view as right and wrong. The attack on the kids was wrong. Even if he called the ingenious man 20 racial slurs, the backlash was over the top - educate not humiliate.

"hard evidence" - that's has less evidence than the original footage that painted Sandman as a racist. It's 8 secs...after an interaction. That's the point. We have zero knowledge of what she said before or what the context even is. The thirsty comment was in response to you saying "why would she post it". Why? Just like Phillips lied. Get news time and potentially $$$ to sell the story. Would have thought that was easy enough to understand. Social media is a shit show of people begging for the one's above to 'like' or 'retweet' and she has proof of doing that so it justifies my point of her wanting a few like and follows.

They are separate incidents. One doesn't justify the other. The point is the racism between the boys and Phillips - not some distance shot people are clinging to as justification for the backlash. It's purely desperation. If a few video was released and those girls said nothing to antagonise etc. and the boys were rude etc. then their parents can say "hey, that was wrong. No more of that sort of stuff". Don't incident over. 90% of the population would be shot down if we start thinking back to how we reacted to the opposite sex when we were 16. I pinched a girl on the bum at a high school social when I was 16. She told me off, said it wasn't appreciated. Lesson learned never did it again. Interactions like that happen all the time but we are in for some trouble if we think hollering at the opposite sex deserves intense scrutiny and doxxing by adults.

Then I apologise for dragging you into that. That wasn't my intention. I've lost track at who I'm returning fire in here lol. Yes, I've seen it all. Boys were dancing assuming they were joining in etc. Phillips walked over to Sandman. Sandman stood still. His friends were giving the 'oooohhhhh what are you going to do Sandman?' which is part of the reason why the smirk started. Another indigenous man was getting vocal about them owning the land and it turned into a "you're European go home etc." and Sandman could tell it was getting out of hand so turned to his friend to shut it down...all over. As Sandman said in hindsight he should have just stepped aside but Phillips made no attempt to go around. We also know Phillips has done this in 2015 and lied about serving in Vietnam so you can't tell me he didn't want his 5 mins of fame.

But yeah end of discussion on this topic for me. I'm sick of it. I just hate seeing kids doxxed and receive death threats/trial by media. It's not on. If he called Phillips names send him to bloody Dr. Phil...not try and get scholarships removed, parents fired, death threats and all that. I'd say we are better than that but clearly we aren't.
TBfF I don't think anyone said they deserved to be doxxed, or that any of that was appropriate, but yeah, agreed about your last para. I mean, it's a pretty pointless discussion anyway about something minor that will probably be forgotten about in 6 months. We're probably all wasting far too much energy on it. Let's just get back to frothing about how big Ben McKay is.
 

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Need a quota do we? Makes zero to little difference in terms of tolerance, education is more important.

Not particularly, but in this case, blackface was not racially motivated and via that video, the blackout stuff has been stopped for years. Most black neighbourhoods live in perpetual victimhood, it is part of the reason why 90% of the African-American vote goes to the Democratic, borderline indoctrination via social-welfare. I take stock of African-American's who can think for themselves and are not professional victims. White face, if you really want to get into it has historical linkages to social-darwinist racial integration and terms like 'half-cast'. This article explains it: https://metro.co.uk/2017/06/13/whiteface-is-a-thing-too-lets-talk-about-it-6704665/

What hand is that, a bunch of secret racists, really? Why is this video of blackface a problem now, but not a few years ago when it happened, very interesting. Fitting into a neat little narrative.
That is a terrible statement mate. Perpetual victimhood? Hey yeah, you were enslaved for hundreds of years but we freed you, we’ll sort of, you’re not allowed to vote, share anything white people use, and don’t even think about sending your kids to our schools, and you’re not allowed to live where we live, apart from that you’re free. None of us here would have a clue what it’s like growing up on the block with that as part of our heritage. What next? Are your going to tell me that indigenous people of Australia are living in a state of perpetual vicimhood and you take stock of indigenous people of Australia that can think for themselves?
 

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Things can be one or the other and still be pretty ******* racist, to be fair.

Blackface is a perfect example of why the intent on an individual level might not be racist, and to be honest, I like to think that most of the time it's not, but the historical context makes it inherently a racist symbol.
That's why you look at these things through BOTH lenses.
 

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Hard disagree on the characterisation of that angle as feminist rhetoric. Or at least, it may be feminist rhetoric, but there's nothing wrong with that because it's absolutely correct. A bunch of cells in another person's body is not life. And bullshit that they're in the business of saving lives. Most of the pro-lifers are the same who whine about the second amendment when people suggest taking their semi-autos away from them and are in support of locking kids up in detention. And that's not really anecdotal either, there was a piece floating around a few years ago on that very thing.

That's fair. I think I'd be right, but I obviously have no way to prove that. And I think the logical/emotional divide is nohwhere near as clean cut as you suggest in terms of right and left respectively. It may make up very broad trends, but I'd say individuals are far more complicated than that.


Regardless of whether it's racially motivated, the context of blackface will always make it a racist symbol. It's an indictment on their school tbh if they don't know the history of it and use it in school spirit rallies.

And come on mate, I'm pretty sure you've said before that you're an ethnically white Australian, and if so, that victimhood comment is a pretty ******* average sentiment. It's straight from the conservative, white male Fox News playbook and it's just bullshit. Plenty of successful African-Americans have talked about the inter-generational trauma and the historical ripple effects that contribute to the challenges in lower class African-American life. And maybe they vote Democrat because they're a party that has *less* institutuionalised racism in both its ranks and its policies. I'm guessing the African-Americans you're talking about are people like the moronic Candace Owens and those who fit the classic Uncle Tom archetype.

Maybe the blackface was a problem in their community? I mean, we're on the other side of the world, so who knows, but it's obvious why it's being highlighted now, because it does fit the narrative.
Not going to get into the abortion debate, that is a labyrinth and a half worth of issues. I'll just put in my opinion on abortion quickly, which is not worth a great deal. If you leave this bunch of cells alone in the fetus for 9 months, a human is born, therefore that constitutes life. Different issues and not particularly related either. Guns, like life and liberty, is an intrinsic right to Americans and locking up kids in detention, that is a whole other issue. Those kids are not being mistreated and (as bad as this is say, but it still happens) are sometimes used by their parents to guilt trip kind hearted left-leaning politicians and citizens into gaining illegal entry. Take for example this whole Manus detention business, both New Zealand and the US offered to take the aslyum seekers on the condition that the adults have to work rather than sit on welfare, the adults rejected it, I wonder why.

O, I know in regards to the left-right emotional-rational, these are generalisations taken from broad studies from over the years, they are merely trends, not an inherent characteristic.

It does seem odd to me the school had stuff like that as schools are usually fairly PC for obvious reasons.


Proportionally-speaking, African Americans disproportionately commit the bulk of crimes, dominate the prisons, struggle in terms of education, BLM is flooded with mostly unwarranted victimhood, African-American children are often discouraged from leaving the inner-city hoods, economically there are obvious issues and the general relationship with the police is shocking, some of it being the police's doing, but there is a wide anti-police element to African American culture. There are issues galore and it comes back to historical, economic and culture related issues as we both know.

There current African-American generations, however, have never had to fight the institutional barriers that their parents, grandparents and ancestors had to.

I was harsh with my earlier statement as it negates the efforts of earlier African-American civil rights proponents and warranted current historical related issues, so I withdraw it. I should have said some minor elements of the current generation of African Americans that seemingly thrive off the culture of being the historically downtrodden, when it was their parents and grandparents who truly suffered from institutional barriers.

One reason why 90% of the African American vote usually goes to the Democrats because they are the party of social-welfare in America. Most African-American votes pre-New Deal went to the Republican Party, Linchon's party, since then, it has been a different story.

I was actually talking about Morgan Freeman (votes Democrat), Candace is a Republican nutbag. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/morgan-freeman-on-black-history-month/ I feel like I am misrepresenting myself due to my own actions, my argument about taking stock was in relation to the notion that national/cultural pride is more useful to a society than national/cultural shame.


That is a terrible statement mate. Perpetual victimhood? Hey yeah, you were enslaved for hundreds of years but we freed you, we’ll sort of, you’re not allowed to vote, share anything white people use, and don’t even think about sending your kids to our schools, and you’re not allowed to live where we live, apart from that you’re free. None of us here would have a clue what it’s like growing up on the block with that as part of our heritage. What next? Are your going to tell me that indigenous people of Australia are living in a state of perpetual vicimhood and you take stock of indigenous people of Australia that can think for themselves?
See above, but I withdraw the comment.

No, I have taken a number of Aboriginal tertiary studies and visited remote NT communities, I understand the issues they face just to reclaim their identity, let alone solving the other issues related to DV, drug/grog abuse and, not so much now, petrol sniffing. The local authorities had 'something pearl' petrol up near the WA-NT border about 7 years back, that has vastly reduced petrol sniffing since. I guess my earlier comments were in relation to those in the community that don't want things to change and lack the will to change things for the betterment of their people and taking advantage of situations, i.e. police shootings. It is frustrating to see the same families being stuck in the exact same areas as their parents (i.e. remote communities (Aboriginals), inner-city communities (African-American community) and lower socio-economic circumstances (Indians and First Nation peoples) in rural areas.

I relate their plight to the situation of the native people's of North America, in particular the lost spiritual connection to the land. The African-American historical experience is a tad different, but shares a number of similar facets.
 
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Correct. That's only from the 19 minute footage. There has been longer and different angles shown. Including another ingidenous member shouting "go back to europe where you came from" at a kid. Sandman turns and tells his friend to cut it out (with a hand to the neck gesture) - He actively tried to stop tensions from escalating which should be commended except it isn't.

Proof Phillips walks to sandman:



As Sandman stated: "Phillips had every right to come over and stand there, just like I had every right to stand and hold my ground too"

He said the smile or "smirk" was his way of saying "this is all you're going to get from me if you're trying to provoke any other reaction nothing is coming"

Phillips also tried to lie about something similar in 2015 when he said he was said he approached some kids and they told him to go back to the reservation. Except when the cops came no one was even there and the kids he claimed racially abused him where never even there to begin with.

Again, it’s still my opinion that the kid was confronting, not defusing. He willfully obstructed Phillips's (peaceful) path and refused to move. He faced him head on and stared at him. This is not how you defuse things, it's how you attempt to escalate them. It's a dare. It's what a bully does.

As for telling his cohort to stand down, I read it as "Stay out of my spotlight".
 
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White privilege, really, we are going down this rabbit hole again. You want to know the real issue with all this, it isn’t Phillips, it isn’t the moronic African Americans shouting slurs or even the kids, it was the blatant lying by the media on the topic in order to whip up ‘white male privilege’ like hysteria. What made this boy an easy target I wonder and got disgusting grubs sending death threats to him and his family? That smirking lad was White, Christian, male and a Trump supporter, everything that the modern left hates and the media knows it as both sides have fed off it. You accuse Trump of emboldening hate, then what do you call CNN effectively calling for this kid’s head? So much for the tolerant left, absolute hypocrites.
Like it or not, the fact remains that those white kids ARE the privileged. It's not hysteria, it's just the truth.
 

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On a side tangent, I'll be interested to get poster's thoughts on whether the Australia Day date should be changed and if so, to when? This debate comes around every year around this time, so I'll be interested to get people's thoughts.
 

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On a side tangent, I'll be interested to get poster's thoughts on whether the Australia Day date should be changed and if so, to when? This debate comes around every year around this time, so I'll be interested to get people's thoughts.
I want to stop hearing about it from angry people so whatever makes them stop.
 

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On a side tangent, I'll be interested to get poster's thoughts on whether the Australia Day date should be changed and if so, to when? This debate comes around every year around this time, so I'll be interested to get people's thoughts.
Australia Day, Jan 26 means nothing to me, in fact when I was younger it wasn't really celebrated. It seems to be hijacked by beer drinking yobbos who love having a day off so they can have a BBQ and wear a flag as a cape.
 

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On a side tangent, I'll be interested to get poster's thoughts on whether the Australia Day date should be changed and if so, to when? This debate comes around every year around this time, so I'll be interested to get people's thoughts.
Absolutely I think it should be changed. It’s a day that celebrates when some people from Europe ‘found’ Australia and thought that meant they owned it. It’s a slap in the face of the first people of this nation to celebrate it.

I’m a proud white Australian man but I’m not proud of our history
 

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Where do you sit on Australia Day Kangaroos4eva ?
You probably can guess.;)

TBH, I view the day for celebrating the achievements of Australians, but also a day to remember that a lot more needs to be done to help undo past colonial ills. In saying that, I am not entirely opposed to changing the day, but only if it is a day of historical significance that Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals can take pride in as now unified Australians. The only issue in that regard is there are really few suitable historical dates that would placate both sides on this issue.


If there was an alternative day:
May 27 may be the only other date which would work if Australia day was to be changed due to it being the Aboriginal referendum date in 1967. The problem with the May 27 date, however, is that the Mitchell massacre of Aboriginals happened on May 27. Most other dates are either too artificial with little meaning or clashes with other public holidays.

At least with January 26, we can reflect on the positive achievements of Australian settlers and Aboriginals as well as think about why the Aboriginal community still needs help due to the actions of settlers. It’s a national day of celebration and remembrance.
 

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You probably can guess.;)

TBH, I view the day for celebrating the achievements of Australians, but also a day to remember that a lot more needs to be done to help undo past colonial ills. In saying that, I am not entirely opposed to changing the day, but only if it is a day of historical significance that Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals can take pride in as now unified Australians. The only issue in that regard is there are really few suitable historical dates that would placate both sides on this issue.


If there was an alternative day:
May 27 may be the only other date which would work if Australia day was to be changed due to it being the Aboriginal referendum date in 1967. The problem with the May 27 date, however, is that the Mitchell massacre of Aboriginals happened on May 27. Most other dates are either too artificial with little meaning or clashes with other public holidays.

At least with January 26, we can reflect on the positive achievements of Australian settlers and Aboriginals as well as think about why the Aboriginal community still needs help due to the actions of settlers. It’s a national day of celebration and remembrance. https://www.facebook.com/ufi/reaction/profile/browser/?ft_ent_identifier=ZmVlZGJhY2s6MTAxNTU2NjYxODYwMjcwMjRfMTAxNTU2NjY5MzQxMTIwMjQ=&av=1090202463
Tbh I have no idea as the previous conversation has nothing to do with Australia.

Hopefully we become a republic, get rid of the Union Jack, replace the Union Jack with the indigenous flag and that will truly become a day to celebrate.
 

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You probably can guess.;)

TBH, I view the day for celebrating the achievements of Australians, but also a day to remember that a lot more needs to be done to help undo past colonial ills. In saying that, I am not entirely opposed to changing the day, but only if it is a day of historical significance that Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals can take pride in as now unified Australians. The only issue in that regard is there are really few suitable historical dates that would placate both sides on this issue.


If there was an alternative day:
May 27 may be the only other date which would work if Australia day was to be changed due to it being the Aboriginal referendum date in 1967. The problem with the May 27 date, however, is that the Mitchell massacre of Aboriginals happened on May 27. Most other dates are either too artificial with little meaning or clashes with other public holidays.

At least with January 26, we can reflect on the positive achievements of Australian settlers and Aboriginals as well as think about why the Aboriginal community still needs help due to the actions of settlers. It’s a national day of celebration and remembrance.
I agree with most of this, but you lost me with the last paragraph.

It's a day of celebration for plenty of white folk, but in my experience I see very little rememberance of anything. Let's celebrate by getting pissed and listening to the Hottest 100. Straya
 

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I agree with most of this, but you lost me with the last paragraph.

It's a day of celebration for plenty of white folk, but in my experience I see very little rememberance of anything. Let's celebrate by getting pissed and listening to the Hottest 100. Straya
More personal experience than anything else. It should be a day for both celebration and remembering the past, both good and bad.
 
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