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[Snake_Baker]

 

[Val Keating]

You mean the CIA's support of Contra-backed cartels in trafficking coke, and guns, to support the Reagan Doctrine's shady anti-communist agenda in Nicaragua. Do you think that was principally motivated by racism? Did the trafficing not affect other poor people of other races? Or was it out of shadowy political, intelligence and economic reasons that the CIA was involved and, consequently, there were negatively repercussions that overwhelmingly affected the Black community because they make up a significant percentage of the poor and population of destitute neighborhoods.

How the CIA Watched Over the Destruction of Gary Webb

Freshly-released CIA documents show how the largest U.S. newspapers helped the agency contain a groundbreaking exposé.

theintercept.com

In his CJR piece, Kornbluh said the series was “problematically sourced” and criticized it for “repeatedly promised evidence that, on close reading, it did not deliver.” It failed to definitively connect the story’s key players to the CIA, he noted, and there were inconsistencies in Webb’s timeline of events.

But Kornbluh also uncovered problems with the retaliatory reports described as “balanced” by the CIA. In the case of the L.A. Times, he wrote, the paper “stumbled into some of the same problems of hyperbole, selectivity, and credibility that it was attempting to expose” while ignoring declassified evidence (also neglected by the New York Times and the Washington Post) that lent credibility to Webb’s thesis. “Clearly, there was room to advance the contra/drug/CIA story rather than simply denounce it,” Kornbluh wrote.

The Mercury News was partially responsible “for the sometimes distorted public furor the stories generated,” Kornbluh said, but also achieved “something that neither the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, nor The New York Times had been willing or able to do — revisit a significant story that had been inexplicably abandoned by the mainstream press, report a new dimension to it, and thus put it back on the national agenda where it belongs.”

Yeah that’s it. There’s a direct line between the CIA buying cocaine to fund the rebels and the flood of crack cocaine into poor neighbourhoods. It’s pretty undeniable. Of course the cia isn’t going to admit it. But it’s so obvious that it can’t be ignored.

It’s obvious to anyone with an ounce of street-smarts.

The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack - Institute for Policy Studies

Based on a year-long investigation, reporter Gary Webb wrote that during the 1980s the CIA helped finance its covert war against Nicaragua's leftist government through sales of cut-rate cocaine to South Central L.A. drug dealer, Ricky Ross.

ips-dc.org

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

oig.justice.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/04/conspiracy-theories-can-often-ring-true/3960d4c5-593e-4b4d-b3c9-a2f9f4148c9d/

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yeah that’s it. There’s a direct line between the CIA buying cocaine to fund the rebels and the flood of crack cocaine into poor neighbourhoods. It’s pretty undeniable. Of course the cia isn’t going to admit it. But it’s so obvious that it can’t be ignored.

It’s obvious to anyone with an ounce of street-smarts.

The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack - Institute for Policy Studies

Based on a year-long investigation, reporter Gary Webb wrote that during the 1980s the CIA helped finance its covert war against Nicaragua's leftist government through sales of cut-rate cocaine to South Central L.A. drug dealer, Ricky Ross.

ips-dc.org

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

oig.justice.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/04/conspiracy-theories-can-often-ring-true/3960d4c5-593e-4b4d-b3c9-a2f9f4148c9d/

 

[Val Keating]

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Is that the one where the bear found it and started eating the coke and had a heart attack and died? I believe the bear has been taxidermed and put in a bar somewhere.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[ferball]

All these cancel culture ****wits have no idea about the legislation Florida just passed too.

Actual totalitarian bullshit. Literally undermines the Bill of Rights (which is probably the only valuable part of the US constitution.)

Meanwhile some numpty intellectual spud posts a letter about some elitist upper class twat not wanting to send his kid to an elitist upper class all girls private school (with a Beaver for mascot, lol) and pretends that is somehow the state being oppressive.

 

[Val Keating]

The Bear who ate 88 Pounds of Cocaine was the Victim of a Large Smuggling Ring | The Vintage News

Strange as it may sound, this actually happened. It turns out no one can ingest so much cocaine and stay alive--not even a 175-pound black bear from

www.thevintagenews.com

 

[ferball]

Bill Gates denying the right of poor developing world farmers to cpontrol their own IP rarely gets a mention.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Bloody headlines in the news each day
Drug "crisis" everywhere
So much comes in so easy
It's as though someone wants it there

Over to you Jello.............

 

[ferball]

If only they didn't mention color and focused on the real issue (relative poverty).

Then you wouldn't have to clutch your pearls hey.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The Bear who ate 88 Pounds of Cocaine was the Victim of a Large Smuggling Ring | The Vintage News

Strange as it may sound, this actually happened. It turns out no one can ingest so much cocaine and stay alive--not even a 175-pound black bear from

www.thevintagenews.com

At what point would a seriously anesthetized mouth tell the critter that this was a pointless exercise?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

They didn't push the crack into frigging Westchester did they mate?

Poorer communities are far more likely to put up with cheaper and lower quality products than upper class types in Westchester.

You can peddle higher quality, different, and often more expensive drugs to those that could afford them. Cater to your customer and all that. For example, opioid overuse followed soon after the introduction of cheap crack in the 1980s. Cheap crack and heroin still eventually made it into the middle and upper classes by the early 2000s and has contributed to the opioid crisis we have now, on top of other issues. One addiction leads to another.

It started as a race thing, and now it's a political/money thing.

That is the way I largely see it. It certainly has its overt racial dimensions and heritage, but it soon took on new economic, class and political dimensions that are present today and are largely responsible for its preservation.

 

[Del191229]

All these cancel culture *******s have no idea about the legislation Florida just passed too.

Actual totalitarian bullshit. Literally undermines the Bill of Rights (which is probably the only valuable part of the US constitution.)

Meanwhile some numpty intellectual spud posts a letter about some elitist upper class twat not wanting to send his kid to an elitist upper class all girls private school (with a Beaver for mascot, lol) and pretends that is somehow the state being oppressive.

Lotta white male dudes in this thread telling us what sexism and racism is hey.

 

[ferball]

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Throw in the drug war, poverty and a horrible starting point as the biggest factors. The father, culture and mentality stuff is overplayed quite a bit.

Every one of those things that are scrubbed out is down to the CIA bringing crack into ghettos.

 

[Snake_Baker]

That is the way I largely see it. It certainly has its overt racial dimensions and heritage, but it quickly took on economic, class and political dimensions that are present today.

It well & truly morphed past that point decades ago.

Only intellectual morons (wokesters) would run with it (race/drugs) in the contemporary setting.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Yeah that’s it. There’s a direct line between the CIA buying cocaine to fund the rebels and the flood of crack cocaine into poor neighbourhoods. It’s pretty undeniable. Of course the cia isn’t going to admit it. But it’s so obvious that it can’t be ignored.

It’s obvious to anyone with an ounce of street-smarts.

The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack - Institute for Policy Studies

Based on a year-long investigation, reporter Gary Webb wrote that during the 1980s the CIA helped finance its covert war against Nicaragua's leftist government through sales of cut-rate cocaine to South Central L.A. drug dealer, Ricky Ross.

ips-dc.org

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

oig.justice.gov

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/04/conspiracy-theories-can-often-ring-true/3960d4c5-593e-4b4d-b3c9-a2f9f4148c9d/

It is like one of those commonly known facts.

 

[Del191229]

Poorer communities are far more likely to put up with cheaper and lower quality products than upper class types in Westchester.

I find it amazing the intellectual hoops you will jump through to try and pretend systemic racism doesn't exist.

As I keep saying, CRT isn't personally directed at you.

I myself have enormous issues with CRT, largely because I come from a group that is white but has historically been marginalised and discriminated against just as much as POC.

And I've been to places (the Arab world, parts of Asia) where the local POC are just as vicious and racist to say Africans as any white person.

But to pretend systemic racism is/was not a defining characteristic of the Anglophone societies we live in is imply false.

Factually and historically wrong.

Claiming 2+2=5 wrong.

 

[ferball]

2 months off moving and allready the packing boxes are beginning to pile up. looking forward to the move appears to have the enormity of our rebuild :-0

**** moving ... I just did it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Every one of those things that are scrubbed out is down to the CIA bringing crack into ghettos.

Many of them would be solved, but I still think poverty, property devaluation in the inner cities and the overall decline of two-parent (dual-income) families amongst all ethnic groups in the US have continually played a role.

 

[ferball]

You mean the CIA's support of Contra-backed cartels in trafficking coke, and guns, to support the Reagan Doctrine's shady anti-communist agenda in Nicaragua. Do you think that was principally motivated by racism? Did the trafficing not affect other poor people of other races? Or was it out of shadowy political, intelligence and economic reasons that the CIA was involved and, consequently, there were negatively repercussions that overwhelmingly affected the Black community because they make up a significant percentage of the poor and population of destitute neighborhoods.

How the CIA Watched Over the Destruction of Gary Webb

Freshly-released CIA documents show how the largest U.S. newspapers helped the agency contain a groundbreaking exposé.

theintercept.com

In his CJR piece, Kornbluh said the series was “problematically sourced” and criticized it for “repeatedly promised evidence that, on close reading, it did not deliver.” It failed to definitively connect the story’s key players to the CIA, he noted, and there were inconsistencies in Webb’s timeline of events.

But Kornbluh also uncovered problems with the retaliatory reports described as “balanced” by the CIA. In the case of the L.A. Times, he wrote, the paper “stumbled into some of the same problems of hyperbole, selectivity, and credibility that it was attempting to expose” while ignoring declassified evidence (also neglected by the New York Times and the Washington Post) that lent credibility to Webb’s thesis. “Clearly, there was room to advance the contra/drug/CIA story rather than simply denounce it,” Kornbluh wrote.

The Mercury News was partially responsible “for the sometimes distorted public furor the stories generated,” Kornbluh said, but also achieved “something that neither the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, nor The New York Times had been willing or able to do — revisit a significant story that had been inexplicably abandoned by the mainstream press, report a new dimension to it, and thus put it back on the national agenda where it belongs.”

How did Gary Webb shoot himself in the head twice when he committed suicide?

 

[Snake_Baker]

I find it amazing the intellectual hoops you will jump through to try and pretend systemic racism doesn't exist.

As I keep saying, CRT isn't personally directed at you.

I myself have enormous issues with CRT, largely because I come from a group that is white but has historically been marginalised and discriminated against just as much as POC.

And I've been to places (the Arab world, parts of Asia) where the local POC are just as vicious and racist to say Africans as any white person.

But to pretend systemic racism is/was not a defining characteristic of the Anglophone societies we live in is imply false.

Factually and historically wrong.

Claiming 2+2=5 wrong.

Then take the lie of race out of the argument and bring the elevator down to the ground floor. It's fundamentally about those with power and those that are denied it via systematic strategies.

Focusing on race alone (or gender, religion, sexual proclivities, etc.) keeps the whole game moving along. ANYTHING to distract from the actual source.

British spawned race patriotism never went away, it's just been repackaged in a more sophisticated manner.

Universal libertarianism is the only answer.

 

[Del191229]

 

[ferball]

Many of them would be solved, but I still think poverty, property devaluation in the inner cities and the overall decline of two-parent (dual-income) families amongst all ethnic groups in the US have continually played a role.

Why? White flight, no jobs left cos of globalisation and a massive over representation of black men in the private prison system (and graveyards) which is a form of modern day slavery.

 

[Del191229]

Then take the lie of race out of the argument and bring the elevator down to the ground floor. It's fundamentally about those with power and those that are denied it via systematic strategies.

Focusing on race alone (or gender, religion, sexual proclivities, etc.) keeps the whole game moving along. ANYTHING to distract from the actual source.

British spawned race patriotism never went away, it's just been repackaged in a more sophisticated manner.

Universal libertarianism is the only answer.

Agree on all but the answer.

To take on power structures as strong and established as those you describe (which I agree with) requires solidarity, not individualism.

That said, I certainly agree in the libertarianism of the mind to break free of them.

But in terms of actions, it needs solidarity and communal action.

Otherwise those power structures just use the old divide and rule tactic

 

[ferball]

Then take the lie of race out of the argument and bring the elevator down to the ground floor. It's fundamentally about those with power and those that are denied it via systematic strategies.

Focusing on race alone (or gender, religion, sexual proclivities, etc.) keeps the whole game moving along. ANYTHING to distract from the actual source.

British spawned race patriotism never went away, it's just been repackaged in a more sophisticated manner.

Universal libertarianism is the only answer.

Lol.