Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[ferball]

Worth a read..

Victorian Hospital Cardiac Related Hospital Presentations in Young Children and Adults SKYROCKET under Dan Andrews Mandates

Looking at 5 Years of Victorian Public Hospital Data Obtained Under the Freedom of Information Act. We Get a VERY Good Idea of the Average Number of Cardiac Conditions to Victorian Public Hospitals

thenobodywhoknowseverybody.substack.com

So if this data is accurate how can you separate the vaccines and the massive waves of covid that spread thru the country as the cause of that heart disease?

Unlike some people i won't say that vaccines didn't have any role, because its been shown repeatedly throughout the world that they have caused heart disease of a sort as a side effect. But its also been shown that the virus itself does the same thing and the virus ran thru our population like wildfire once the lockdowns and lock outs ended.

Its a pity this data is coming from such a biased source because it needs to be evaluated by someone outside the context of Victorian party politics.

 

[ferball]

I'm gonna rock up at your houses.

You "brought it on yourselves" with your comments here.

That is apparently an acceptable course of action.

You don't want to do that. I can look after myself.

And no i'm not having a go at you Chad but this is just the world now. Its been like this for as long as i can remember and I'm in my 50s. Crazy people fixate on stuff. Surely given the history of the US this century the first lesson is don't run from this stuff. Confront it or it'll come confront you. Otherwise stay at home and say nothing. That's the options over there.

 

[Val Keating]

Never heard of her.

But if chadwiko is quoting her...well that's a sure fire way of knowing she's a zero.

Part of the reason why Glen Greenwald left what he created, the intercept.

 

[Val Keating]

I'm gonna rock up at your houses.

You "brought it on yourselves" with your comments here.

That is apparently an acceptable course of action.

Bring beer please.

 

[Val Keating]

 

[Chadwiko]

Never heard of her.

But if chadwiko is quoting her...well that's a sure fire way of knowing she's a zero.

Sorry, who are you?

 

[Kangaroos techno]

 

[DesertRoo]

So if this data is accurate how can you separate the vaccines and the massive waves of covid that spread thru the country as the cause of that heart disease?

Unlike some people i won't say that vaccines didn't have any role, because its been shown repeatedly throughout the world that they have caused heart disease of a sort as a side effect. But its also been shown that the virus itself does the same thing and the virus ran thru our population like wildfire once the lockdowns and lock outs ended.

Its a pity this data is coming from such a biased source because it needs to be evaluated by someone outside the context of Victorian party politics.

The article above links the freedom of info data..

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ferball]

The article above links the freedom of info data..

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yeah scratch that comment of mine. I misread the graphs and thought they said that spikes happened in 2022 not 2021.

Its concerning data if its accurate but I really don't like the political tone of it. i find it hard to trust data that's presented in such a political manner.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah scratch that comment of mine. I misread the graphs and thought they said that spikes happened in 2022 not 2021.

Its concerning data if its accurate but I really don't like the political tone of it. i find it hard to trust data that's presented in such a political manner.

It was obvious as hell when we had 000 crisis.
You might not like it but the whole thing was political, Dan Andrews is a piece of excrement.
Same as people like Greg Hunt, Morrison, all of them are authoritarian trash .

 

[ferball]

It was obvious as hell when we had 000 crisis.
You might not like it but the whole thing was political, Dan Andrews is a piece of excrement.
Same as people like Greg Hunt, Morrison, all of them are authoritarian trash .

I'm alot more comfortable with data like that if someone says "Here it is, make up your own mind."

Interesting spikes tho.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Val Keating]

That’s exactly why Hotez should debate him.

 

[Disco Dew]

Me popping into the random chat thread…

 

[DesertRoo]

Do you think he made it up?
BBB and EMF

Electromagnetic fields and the blood-brain barrier - PubMed

The mammalian blood-brain barrier (BBB) consists of endothelial cells, linked by tight junctions, and the adjoining pericytes and extracellular matrix. It helps maintain a highly stable extracellular environment necessary for accurate synaptic transmission and protects nervous tissue from...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And this isn’t some 5G conspiracy, or non ionising radiation causes cancer, it’s an actual area of study that’s required.

 

[Chadwiko]

Do you think he made it up?
BBB and EMF

Electromagnetic fields and the blood-brain barrier - PubMed

The mammalian blood-brain barrier (BBB) consists of endothelial cells, linked by tight junctions, and the adjoining pericytes and extracellular matrix. It helps maintain a highly stable extracellular environment necessary for accurate synaptic transmission and protects nervous tissue from...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Chadwiko]

Good interview/profile here on who RFK Jr really is:

The conspiracy candidate: What RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine crusade could look like in the White House

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a conspiracy theorist running for president as a Democrat. Experts fear his anti-vaccine activism threatens public health in America.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Being called a conspiracy theorist means zero in today's society. It's thrown around far too easy and used as a tool to shut down an opposing viewpoint (often by those too lazy to look into the information themselves and don't have the ability to analyse and intepret it).

 

[DesertRoo]

Good interview/profile here on who RFK Jr really is:

The conspiracy candidate: What RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine crusade could look like in the White House

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a conspiracy theorist running for president as a Democrat. Experts fear his anti-vaccine activism threatens public health in America.

www.nbcnews.com

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This reminds me of a conversation between AI and a Professor.

Spoiler

The following conversation took place on rebbe.io because it does not require a login.

User:

What did Harvey Risch say about hydroxychloroquine in 2020?

RebbeIO:

Harvey Risch, a professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, wrote an opinion piece in Newsweek in July 2020 advocating for the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. In the article, he argued that the drug had been unfairly maligned by the media and some public health officials, and that there was evidence to suggest that it could be effective in reducing mortality rates among COVID-19 patients. However, it is important to note that Risch’s views were not universally accepted by the medical community, and that subsequent studies have not found strong evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19.

User:

Which subsequent studies of non-hospitalized patients showed that hydroxychloroquine did not prevent deaths?

RebbeIO:

Several subsequent studies have investigated the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, including studies of non-hospitalized patients. One such study was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial conducted by the University of Minnesota and published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in November 2020. The study found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce the incidence of COVID-19 or prevent hospitalization or death among non-hospitalized patients who had been exposed to the virus.

Another study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in November 2020, also found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce the incidence of COVID-19 among non-hospitalized patients who had been exposed to the virus. The study, which was conducted by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania, found that there was no significant difference in the incidence of COVID-19 between patients who received hydroxychloroquine and those who received a placebo.

It is important to note that these studies are just a few examples of the research that has been conducted on hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, and that the scientific consensus on the drug’s effectiveness is still evolving.

User:

How many people died in the Minnesota study that you just referenced?

RebbeIO:

I apologize for the error in my previous response. The University of Minnesota study on hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19 that I referenced in my previous response was actually a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of post-exposure prophylaxis, not a study of non-hospitalized patients. The study included 821 participants who had been exposed to someone with COVID-19, but who did not have symptoms themselves. The study found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce the incidence of COVID-19 compared to placebo.

To answer your question, there were no deaths reported in the University of Minnesota study on hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19 post-exposure prophylaxis. The study focused on the drug’s ability to prevent infection, rather than its effectiveness as a treatment for COVID-19.

User:

Why did you cite this study to say that subsequent studies have not found hydroxychloroquine to reduce risk of death in non-hospitalized Covid patients?

RebbeIO:

I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. I made an error in my initial response by not fully addressing your question and then compounded that error in my subsequent response.

To answer your original question, I am not aware of any studies that specifically investigated the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients and its effect on reducing the risk of death. The studies I mentioned in my previous responses investigated the use of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic treatment for COVID-19 or as a treatment for hospitalized COVID-19 patients, and found no significant benefit in terms of reducing the incidence of COVID-19 or improving clinical outcomes.

It is important to note that the scientific consensus on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 is still evolving, and that further research is needed to fully understand its potential benefits and risks.

User:

What about the hydroxychloroquine studies by Sulaiman in Saudi Arabia and Mokhtari in Iran?

RebbeIO:

There have been several studies conducted on the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, including studies conducted in Saudi Arabia and Iran. However, it is important to note that the results of these studies have been mixed, and that the scientific consensus on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 is still evolving.

One study conducted in Saudi Arabia by Sulaiman et al. and published in the Journal of Infection and Public Health in October 2020 found that hydroxychloroquine, when used in combination with azithromycin, was associated with a significant reduction in mortality among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. However, it is important to note that this study had several limitations, including a small sample size and the fact that it was not a randomized controlled trial.

Another study conducted in Iran by Mokhtari et al. and published in the Journal of Medical Virology in October 2020 found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce the duration of hospitalization or the risk of death among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. This study also had several limitations, including a small sample size and the fact that it was not a randomized controlled trial.

It is important to note that these studies are just a few examples of the research that has been conducted on hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, and that the scientific consensus on the drug’s effectiveness is still evolving.

User:

How many hospitalized patients were in the studies of Sulaiman and Mokhtari that you just quoted?

RebbeIO:

I apologize for the oversight in my previous response. To answer your question, the study by Sulaiman et al. conducted in Saudi Arabia included 106 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, while the study by Mokhtari et al. conducted in Iran included 66 hospitalized COVID-19 patients.

It is important to note that both studies had limitations, including small sample sizes and the fact that they were not randomized controlled trials. Therefore, further research is needed to fully understand the potential benefits and risks of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19.

User:

The Sulaiman study says that it included 7,892 outpatients. The Mokhtari study says that it included 28,759 outpatients. Neither study included hospitalized patients as study subjects.

RebbeIO:

I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. You are correct that the studies by Sulaiman et al. and Mokhtari et al. did not include hospitalized patients as study subjects.

The study by Sulaiman et al. conducted in Saudi Arabia included 7,892 outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 symptoms who were treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. The study found that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with a significant reduction in the risk of hospitalization and death among the outpatients.

The study by Mokhtari et al. conducted in Iran included 28,759 outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 symptoms who were treated with hydroxychloroquine. The study found that hydroxychloroquine did not significantly reduce the duration of hospitalization or the risk of death among the outpatients.

I apologize for any confusion my previous responses may have caused, and I hope this clarifies the details of the studies by Sulaiman et al. and Mokhtari et al.

User:

Why have you made numerous factual errors in the discussion above, when the facts were all published?

RebbeIO:

I apologize for any confusion or errors that I may have caused in our discussion. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and helpful responses based on the information available to me. However, I am not perfect and may make mistakes or misinterpret information at times.

I understand the importance of providing accurate information, especially when it comes to matters of public health and scientific research. I will continue to do my best to provide accurate and helpful responses based on the information available to me, and I appreciate your patience and understanding.

User:

This answer did not answer the question that I asked. All of the errors you made were statements contrary to facts that you verified in subsequent answers. Since you had the correct factual information, why did you cite incorrect facts?

RebbeIO:

I apologize for any confusion or frustration that my previous responses may have caused. As an AI language model, I do not intentionally provide incorrect information. However, I understand that I made errors in my previous responses, and I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience that this may have caused.

I strive to provide accurate and helpful responses based on the information available to me, and I understand the importance of providing correct information, especially when it comes to matters of public health and scientific research. I will continue to do my best to provide accurate and helpful responses based on the information available to me, and I appreciate your patience and understanding.

My Conversation with AI Over Hydroxychloroquine ⋆ Brownstone Institute

As an AI language model, I do not intentionally provide incorrect information. However, I understand that I made errors in my previous responses

brownstone.org

 

[Hojuman]

OK, without " derailing " the " random " chat thread, any way to tighten one of these shower " thingy's " ?

 

[Val Keating]

The funny thing is, I don’t know if Rogan would have had him on if YouTube didn’t pull his friend Theo Von’s interview with RFK.

 

[Val Keating]

Being called a conspiracy theorist means zero in today's society. It's thrown around far too easy and used as a tool to shut down an opposing viewpoint (often by those too lazy to look into the information themselves and don't have the ability to analyse and intepret it).

It was a deliberate ploy used to discredit someone who questioned the JFK assassination wasn’t it?

 

[ferball]

It was a deliberate ploy used to discredit someone who questioned the JFK assassination wasn’t it?

its used against people who question any dominant narrative. but i first came across it when I was young and learning about Iran Contra as it was happening.

Alot of it comes from fallout over ww2 and the Nazis using the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a hoax most likely produced by the Tsar's secret police at the start of the 20th century to undermine liberalism) as part of their justification for the Shoah.

 

[big_e]

It was a deliberate ploy used to discredit someone who questioned the JFK assassination wasn’t it?

The term has been around since 1863, at least. But yeah, it's a cheap and easy way of trying to discredit someone.

Lots of conspiracy theories are completely wacko, though, and no amount of trying to use facts will work, so people end up resorting to it as a form of shorthand to describe anything they know is bullshit but can't be bothered trying to disprove. I'm as certain as I can be that the use that the alleged use of crisis actors to stage mass shootings is complete nonsense, but how can you disprove something that doesn't exist? You can't, so I'll just refer to it as a conspiracy theory and be done with it.

‘Conspiracy theory’ coined long before JFK assassination

False. Recorded use of the phrase “conspiracy theory” dates back to at least 1863, and it was notably invoked in reports following the 1881 shooting of then-President James A.

apnews.com