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[cartel]

And just got error that my device was de-registered during the last bounce segment.

It's random yeah, but this service is utter garbage.

That's probably a blessing during the bounce. Terrible show.

 

[StFly]

That's probably a blessing during the bounce. Terrible show.

I'm too afraid to change the channel in case it goes to poo at present.

 

[St Muir]

Perhaps you should have gone down that path in the first place?

You are eager to jump on here to ram the result down my throat. Good for if it makes you feel better.

Anyway, perhaps ask StMuir what he thinks of Abbott and why.

Right now I am.blessed to be alive and about to spend the day with close family and friends.

Sorry if I got personal.

I've thought long & hard about posting on this subject again but I think if just one person gets to understand just how dangerous it is to isolate and vilify vulnerable groups in our society, then it is worth the effort.

In two days time, I will make my annual trek to Mt Warning to pay my respects to my son, whose ashes are scattered there.

My son had schizophrenia. He didn't ask for that or the anxiety & depression that went with it. He didn't ask to struggle for years, leaving various accommodation options & living on the streets when all would go to crap for him. He didn't ask to live a life that involved struggling to manage the most basic functions in life that most of us take for granted. I certainly didn't ask to be a father that constantly had to deal with the repercussions of his struggles. I didn't ask to be the only person remaining in his life that he could turn to when he couldn't deal with what was going on.

Over the years, we made glacial progress and gradually, with the help of medication, my son stabilised his life. He managed to stay in the one place & manage his day to day needs. He took on more responsibility and became a reasonably functional person. He had a good heart and was always interested in how his half sister was going. He was a long way off being able to work but considering his low base, he had every reason to be proud of his progress.

A couple of weeks before he took his life, he called me about threats that the PM of the time, Tony Abbott, was making about the DSP. I tried to reassure him that is was political grandstanding and that there was no way his proposals would get passed in the Senate. He called me a couple of times after that, as Abbott continued his rhetoric and cruel inferences. Each time, I thought I'd reassured him & that he would be OK. To my ever lasting & deep regret, I didn't take his anxiety on this seriously enough.

He did leave a note. He wrote about how much he loved his family, how grateful he was for all my help and how sorry he was that he had been so much trouble. He went on to say that he couldn't live in a world that had leaders like Abbott, that didn't care about others. His fear of being vilified, losing his limited supports and living on the streets again, far outweighed his fear of death.

With power comes responsibility. To exercise power with humility and inclusiveness is to exhibit greatness. To divide and conquer, to isolate, vilify and humiliate is to exhibit base instincts that some call evil.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

You W.A guys think you know everything about mining.

https://www.victorianplaces.com.au/node/65026

Of course these were plugged into a power station.
The big trucks are already electric driven, so its a matter of changing the power source to the motors.

Hydrogen can't be practically liquefied so it has to be stored as a high pressure gas, giving it far less energy storage than a liquid fuel.
That severely limited the range for vehicles. They actually run fine.

again cant say much about it but advancement is close

 

[VDS66]

I've thought long & hard about posting on this subject again but I think if just one person gets to understand just how dangerous it is to isolate and vilify vulnerable groups in our society, then it is worth the effort.

In two days time, I will make my annual trek to Mt Warning to pay my respects to my son, whose ashes are scattered there.

My son had schizophrenia. He didn't ask for that or the anxiety & depression that went with it. He didn't ask to struggle for years, leaving various accommodation options & living on the streets when all would go to crap for him. He didn't ask to live a life that involved struggling to manage the most basic functions in life that most of us take for granted. I certainly didn't ask to be a father that constantly had to deal with the repercussions of his struggles. I didn't ask to be the only person remaining in his life that he could turn to when he couldn't deal with what was going on.

Over the years, we made glacial progress and gradually, with the help of medication, my son stabilised his life. He managed to stay in the one place & manage his day to day needs. He took on more responsibility and became a reasonably functional person. He had a good heart and was always interested in how his half sister was going. He was a long way off being able to work but considering his low base, he had every reason to be proud of his progress.

A couple of weeks before he took his life, he called me about threats that the PM of the time, Tony Abbott, was making about the DSP. I tried to reassure him that is was political grandstanding and that there was no way his proposals would get passed in the Senate. He called me a couple of times after that, as Abbott continued his rhetoric and cruel inferences. Each time, I thought I'd reassured him & that he would be OK. To my ever lasting & deep regret, I didn't take his anxiety on this seriously enough.

He did leave a note. He wrote about how much he loved his family, how grateful he was for all my help and how sorry he was that he had been so much trouble. He went on to say that he couldn't live in a world that had leaders like Abbott, that didn't care about others. His fear of being vilified, losing his limited supports and living on the streets again, far outweighed his fear of death.

With power comes responsibility. To exercise power with humility and inclusiveness is to exhibit greatness. To divide and conquer, to isolate, vilify and humiliate is to exhibit base instincts that some call evil.

Wow. I knew something was up but had no idea of the tragedy of your story.

My heart and tears of sorrow go out to you my friend.

I sincerely hope our paths cross in the future if for no other reason than to give you an almighty hug.

Stay strong and feel free to reach out at any time to talk.

 

[Premium]

I've thought long & hard about posting on this subject again but I think if just one person gets to understand just how dangerous it is to isolate and vilify vulnerable groups in our society, then it is worth the effort.

In two days time, I will make my annual trek to Mt Warning to pay my respects to my son, whose ashes are scattered there.

My son had schizophrenia. He didn't ask for that or the anxiety & depression that went with it. He didn't ask to struggle for years, leaving various accommodation options & living on the streets when all would go to crap for him. He didn't ask to live a life that involved struggling to manage the most basic functions in life that most of us take for granted. I certainly didn't ask to be a father that constantly had to deal with the repercussions of his struggles. I didn't ask to be the only person remaining in his life that he could turn to when he couldn't deal with what was going on.

Over the years, we made glacial progress and gradually, with the help of medication, my son stabilised his life. He managed to stay in the one place & manage his day to day needs. He took on more responsibility and became a reasonably functional person. He had a good heart and was always interested in how his half sister was going. He was a long way off being able to work but considering his low base, he had every reason to be proud of his progress.

A couple of weeks before he took his life, he called me about threats that the PM of the time, Tony Abbott, was making about the DSP. I tried to reassure him that is was political grandstanding and that there was no way his proposals would get passed in the Senate. He called me a couple of times after that, as Abbott continued his rhetoric and cruel inferences. Each time, I thought I'd reassured him & that he would be OK. To my ever lasting & deep regret, I didn't take his anxiety on this seriously enough.

He did leave a note. He wrote about how much he loved his family, how grateful he was for all my help and how sorry he was that he had been so much trouble. He went on to say that he couldn't live in a world that had leaders like Abbott, that didn't care about others. His fear of being vilified, losing his limited supports and living on the streets again, far outweighed his fear of death.

With power comes responsibility. To exercise power with humility and inclusiveness is to exhibit greatness. To divide and conquer, to isolate, vilify and humiliate is to exhibit base instincts that some call evil.

St Muir . really feel for you mate - stay strong .

 

[joop]

The positive to come out of the Election is that the HEMP party received 141,500 votes or 1.6%, its highest ever.

 

[mightymalaka]

I've thought long & hard about posting on this subject again but I think if just one person gets to understand just how dangerous it is to isolate and vilify vulnerable groups in our society, then it is worth the effort.

In two days time, I will make my annual trek to Mt Warning to pay my respects to my son, whose ashes are scattered there.

My son had schizophrenia. He didn't ask for that or the anxiety & depression that went with it. He didn't ask to struggle for years, leaving various accommodation options & living on the streets when all would go to crap for him. He didn't ask to live a life that involved struggling to manage the most basic functions in life that most of us take for granted. I certainly didn't ask to be a father that constantly had to deal with the repercussions of his struggles. I didn't ask to be the only person remaining in his life that he could turn to when he couldn't deal with what was going on.

Over the years, we made glacial progress and gradually, with the help of medication, my son stabilised his life. He managed to stay in the one place & manage his day to day needs. He took on more responsibility and became a reasonably functional person. He had a good heart and was always interested in how his half sister was going. He was a long way off being able to work but considering his low base, he had every reason to be proud of his progress.

A couple of weeks before he took his life, he called me about threats that the PM of the time, Tony Abbott, was making about the DSP. I tried to reassure him that is was political grandstanding and that there was no way his proposals would get passed in the Senate. He called me a couple of times after that, as Abbott continued his rhetoric and cruel inferences. Each time, I thought I'd reassured him & that he would be OK. To my ever lasting & deep regret, I didn't take his anxiety on this seriously enough.

He did leave a note. He wrote about how much he loved his family, how grateful he was for all my help and how sorry he was that he had been so much trouble. He went on to say that he couldn't live in a world that had leaders like Abbott, that didn't care about others. His fear of being vilified, losing his limited supports and living on the streets again, far outweighed his fear of death.

With power comes responsibility. To exercise power with humility and inclusiveness is to exhibit greatness. To divide and conquer, to isolate, vilify and humiliate is to exhibit base instincts that some call evil.

My heart goes out to you mate! That's some gut wrenching reading! Your strength and nobility is an inspiration!
May your son rest in eternal peace! You should take enormous credit for being so honest about every father's worst nightmare! And then being able to
Pick yourself up again! Many havent!

Time and again you have showed us all just what a good and brave man looks like!

 

[George]

I've thought long & hard about posting on this subject again but I think if just one person gets to understand just how dangerous it is to isolate and vilify vulnerable groups in our society, then it is worth the effort.

In two days time, I will make my annual trek to Mt Warning to pay my respects to my son, whose ashes are scattered there.

My son had schizophrenia. He didn't ask for that or the anxiety & depression that went with it. He didn't ask to struggle for years, leaving various accommodation options & living on the streets when all would go to crap for him. He didn't ask to live a life that involved struggling to manage the most basic functions in life that most of us take for granted. I certainly didn't ask to be a father that constantly had to deal with the repercussions of his struggles. I didn't ask to be the only person remaining in his life that he could turn to when he couldn't deal with what was going on.

Over the years, we made glacial progress and gradually, with the help of medication, my son stabilised his life. He managed to stay in the one place & manage his day to day needs. He took on more responsibility and became a reasonably functional person. He had a good heart and was always interested in how his half sister was going. He was a long way off being able to work but considering his low base, he had every reason to be proud of his progress.

A couple of weeks before he took his life, he called me about threats that the PM of the time, Tony Abbott, was making about the DSP. I tried to reassure him that is was political grandstanding and that there was no way his proposals would get passed in the Senate. He called me a couple of times after that, as Abbott continued his rhetoric and cruel inferences. Each time, I thought I'd reassured him & that he would be OK. To my ever lasting & deep regret, I didn't take his anxiety on this seriously enough.

He did leave a note. He wrote about how much he loved his family, how grateful he was for all my help and how sorry he was that he had been so much trouble. He went on to say that he couldn't live in a world that had leaders like Abbott, that didn't care about others. His fear of being vilified, losing his limited supports and living on the streets again, far outweighed his fear of death.

With power comes responsibility. To exercise power with humility and inclusiveness is to exhibit greatness. To divide and conquer, to isolate, vilify and humiliate is to exhibit base instincts that some call evil.

Hope all is well mate...that's really sad to hear. Really puts things into perspective.

It hits a bit too close to home for me as well, so in a small way I can appreciate the struggles your son would've had to go through. My father suffered from anxiety & clinical depression. He passed away in 2014 (I was 23) and I too suffer from it which has grown worse since his passing given I had to shoulder the responsibility of being a father figure to my two younger siblings and financially support my entire family given our circumstance. To say the illness is debilitating is an understatement and something people have to deal with every day of their lives.

I hope things with your son weren't made worse by people too ignorant to understand it, and I hope he didn't see it as a weakness. To anyone else here doing it tough...support groups are great for seeking some help, and although I haven't been I have friends that have and just being there as a mate for them I understood that those that find pleasure in ridiculing others are the ones that are truly weak. It's easy to deliberately make fun of people when you don't know what they are going through or what they have been through - and it's more of a reflection of the sadness in their own lives than what is going on in yours.

All the best mate

 

[gringo2011]

Hope all is well mate...that's really sad to hear. Really puts things into perspective.

It hits a bit too close to home for me as well, so in a small way I can appreciate the struggles your son would've had to go through. My father suffered from anxiety & clinical depression. He passed away in 2014 (I was 23) and I too suffer from it which has grown worse since his passing given I had to shoulder the responsibility of being a father figure to my two younger siblings and financially support my entire family given our circumstance. To say the illness is debilitating is an understatement and something people have to deal with every day of their lives.

I hope things with your son weren't made worse by people too ignorant to understand it, and I hope he didn't see it as a weakness. To anyone else here doing it tough...support groups are great for seeking some help, and although I haven't been I have friends that have and just being there as a mate for them I understood that those that find pleasure in ridiculing others are the ones that are truly weak. It's easy to deliberately make fun of people when you don't know what they are going through or what they have been through - and it's more of a reflection of the sadness in their own lives than what is going on in yours.

All the best mate

Jesus George, you had it tough too, I remembered St Muir's heartbreaking story from another thread and I knew you'd lost your dad, but that sounds like you've had to deal with more than most as well. I tip my hat to you to have come through it all and come out of it with such a good attitude. You are a strong man, I don't know how you ended up on here having to look after this circus in your spare time though. You are a gun. I'm a bit embarrassed about my tantrum throwing when I see real life getting serious tough for others. I don't think I'd be emotionally equipped to deal with things crashing down around me. Anyway thanks to both of you for giving some perspective and telling your stories.

 

[George]

Jesus George, you had it tough too, I remembered St Muir's heartbreaking story from another thread and I knew you'd lost your dad, but that sounds like you've had to deal with more than most as well. I tip my hat to you to have come through it all and come out of it with such a good attitude. You are a strong man, I don't know how you ended up on here having to look after this circus in your spare time though. You are a gun. I'm a bit embarrassed about my tantrum throwing when I see real life getting serious tough for others. I don't think I'd be emotionally equipped to deal with things crashing down around me. Anyway thanks to both of you for giving some perspective and telling your stories.

Thanks mate...yes it's been tough, nobody I know that is my age has had to deal with what I've dealt with the past 5 years so it's hard to talk to anyone about really. But there's always someone worse off than yourself, which sounds horrible to say but puts things into perspective.

 

[St Muir]

Wow. I knew something was up but had no idea of the tragedy of your story.

My heart and tears of sorrow go out to you my friend.

I sincerely hope our paths cross in the future if for no other reason than to give you an almighty hug.

Stay strong and feel free to reach out at any time to talk.

Thanks mate. I don’t get down to Melbourne much these days but I’ll sing out when I do. Maybe try and catch up at the footy if the timing is right? If you’re ever up this way let me know.

 

[St Muir]

Hope all is well mate...that's really sad to hear. Really puts things into perspective.

It hits a bit too close to home for me as well, so in a small way I can appreciate the struggles your son would've had to go through. My father suffered from anxiety & clinical depression. He passed away in 2014 (I was 23) and I too suffer from it which has grown worse since his passing given I had to shoulder the responsibility of being a father figure to my two younger siblings and financially support my entire family given our circumstance. To say the illness is debilitating is an understatement and something people have to deal with every day of their lives.

I hope things with your son weren't made worse by people too ignorant to understand it, and I hope he didn't see it as a weakness. To anyone else here doing it tough...support groups are great for seeking some help, and although I haven't been I have friends that have and just being there as a mate for them I understood that those that find pleasure in ridiculing others are the ones that are truly weak. It's easy to deliberately make fun of people when you don't know what they are going through or what they have been through - and it's more of a reflection of the sadness in their own lives than what is going on in yours.

All the best mate

Thanks George. Hang in there mate. Make sure you do something just for yourself among all that responsibility. It’s important for you and them.
You do a great job here. Your integrity and compassion come through and make this site the great safe place it is today. I honestly think it’s one of the best sites going in any field. There’s some fantastic contributors and brilliant insights. That a credit to you.

 

[Cornish]

I had a very close mate who wasn't showing any signs of depression, we shared a house, we shared our money, if one was in the crap the other would dig him out.

He was very late getting up one day so i walked into his room yelling " Get up you lazy Bastard" i realized immediately he had taken his own life during the night and had set it up for me to find him.

This was some 30yrs ago, and to this day it still haunts me and i still miss his crazy smile and practical jokes.

Everyone at some stage gets depression and anxiety, its just the severity which differs and each persons coping mechanism is different. I was curled up in a fetal position for nearly a month about 20yrs ago and couldn't eat a thing, i was having a nervous break down but i didnt know it, it took me ages to talk myself out of it, i was one of the lucky ones and got back on me feet, rediscovered my love of music and marched on from there.

Sometimes a forum is not the best place to be, lots of people losing it and arguing about trivial little things. These things dont even get a reaction from me, i can just laugh, but years ago i may have lost my shit as i know someone did on a forum years ago, posted his goodbyes the next day his brother posted he was gone, its something some of the warriors may consider when they go on the attack, not everyone handles being ridiculed for having an opinion.

 

[Yawkey way]

This is just water cooler gossip but two people have told me that there was a lot of talk about not voting labour because of death duties.

One person pushing this view is relatively senior and should know better but interestingly comes from a large and close diaspora here in Melbourne. Once again negative scare campaigns like Medicare in the last election work well regardless of there accuracy.

 

[St Muir]

I had a very close mate who wasn't showing any signs of depression, we shared a house, we shared our money, if one was in the crap the other would dig him out.

He was very late getting up one day so i walked into his room yelling " Get up you lazy Bastard" i realized immediately he had taken his own life during the night and had set it up for me to find him.

This was some 30yrs ago, and to this day it still haunts me and i still miss his crazy smile and practical jokes.

Everyone at some stage gets depression and anxiety, its just the severity which differs and each persons coping mechanism is different. I was curled up in a fetal position for nearly a month about 20yrs ago and couldn't eat a thing, i was having a nervous break down but i didnt know it, it took me ages to talk myself out of it, i was one of the lucky ones and got back on me feet, rediscovered my love of music and marched on from there.

Sometimes a forum is not the best place to be, lots of people losing it and arguing about trivial little things. These things dont even get a reaction from me, i can just laugh, but years ago i may have lost my **** as i know someone did on a forum years ago, posted his goodbyes the next day his brother posted he was gone, its something some of the warriors may consider when they go on the attack, not everyone handles being ridiculed for having an opinion.

Thanks for sharing and the forum insights mate. That would have been a hell of a thing to go through, especially knowing he wanted you to find him, although it probably showed his great trust in you, it would have been bloody hard to deal with.

 

[Cornish]

Thanks for sharing and the forum insights mate. That would have been a hell of a thing to go through, especially knowing he wanted you to find him, although it probably showed his great trust in you, it would have been bloody hard to deal with.

I was ok until i had to deal with his mum and brother at the coroners court, i guess they had to blame someone.

Lost a nephew a few years ago, his was because of bullying, i have never tolerated bullies even at school i would stand up for the little bloke, but then again i could go a few rounds and handle myself.

All the best to you over the next few weeks, i hope you can find some peace.

 

[St Muir]

This is just water cooler gossip but two people have told me that there was a lot of talk about not voting labour because of death duties.

One person pushing this view is relatively senior and should know better but interestingly comes from a large and close diaspora here in Melbourne. Once again negative scare campaigns like Medicare in the last election work well regardless of there accuracy.

It was a huge issue in Queensland with the retirees. We've even had old pensioners on TV saying they voted Libs, as they weren't giving up their money to Labor taxes. I'd have hoped we would have moved beyond negative scare campaigns working by now but we don't look anywhere near that, sadly.

 

[VDS66]

It was a huge issue in Queensland with the retirees. We've even had old pensioners on TV saying they voted Libs, as they weren't giving up their money to Labor taxes. I'd have hoped we would have moved beyond negative scare campaigns working by now but we don't look anywhere near that, sadly.

Yeah one of the first things my mate saidon Sunday was at least your inheritance is safe.

Greed and fear... Greed and fear.

 

[VDS66]

This is just water cooler gossip but two people have told me that there was a lot of talk about not voting labour because of death duties.

One person pushing this view is relatively senior and should know better but interestingly comes from a large and close diaspora here in Melbourne. Once again negative scare campaigns like Medicare in the last election work well regardless of there accuracy.

It's marketing 101.

Within the industry it's well known that people are more motivated to avoid pain / loss than to gain pleasure.

Then you add the fact that the majority of decisions have a large emotional component.

I was always taught that when selling message, it's a centuries old formula:

Grab their attention with a bold statement.

Tell them they are in pain.

Agitate their pain.

Absolve them of blame (it's not your fault).

Introduce the solution.

Tell them now to avoid the pain in future.

Now take a look at the message from both parties and see whichbone got it wrong. No coincidence who won.

Libs pushed the message to avoid a world of pain under Labor..

Labor pushed a message of gravitating towards something better.

What is dominant motivator in people?

There's your answer why the Libs won.

Credit where it's due.

In QLD, it was the fear of unemployment (adani) and fear of losing money.

 

[Yawkey way]

It was a huge issue in Queensland with the retirees. We've even had old pensioners on TV saying they voted Libs, as they weren't giving up their money to Labor taxes. I'd have hoped we would have moved beyond negative scare campaigns working by now but we don't look anywhere near that, sadly.

Hindsight is a great thing and I’ll admit I thought labour would scrape home, but my spider sense keep telling me things were really close.

I kept checking the bookies odds for reassurance because so many things I read just made me uncomfortable. One example was labour promising to raise Newstart, now that seems fair and reasonable but when I checked the polling almost double the number thought it should be reduced as increased if you can believe it. Labour went hard on hip pocket issues and made themselves a big target. It’s sad but telling the truth and being upfront is no way to win an election.

The whole concept of “we have a mandate” is rubbish, it doesn’t matter if you’re upfront on policy or sneaky. The fact is either way you still need to have the numbers in both houses to pass your agenda. The liberals kept very quite about privatisation, almost 2 thousand jobs from customs/border force aren’t there in the forward estimates. They got caught out but if people understood what it meant they didn’t care because it didn’t affect them.

In an uncertain world obsessed with trump and trade wars, with a housing market taking a beating it was a massive task to sell doing away with franking credits and negative gearing. They didn’t even do a good job of explaining grandfathering clauses etc, most people believed the well organised and highly deceptive government campaign.

Oh well another 3 years of this mob, I just hope it’s not too bad and labour have learnt something from this campaign.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I wonder if Sportsbet paying out on Labor influenced some people to vote the other way. Its probably an Australian sort of thing to do.

 

[Yawkey way]

It's marketing 101.

Within the industry it's well known that people are more motivated to avoid pain / loss than to gain pleasure.

Then you add the fact that the majority of decisions have a large emotional component.

I was always taught that when selling message, it's a centuries old formula:

Grab their attention with a bold statement.

Tell them they are in pain.

Agitate their pain.

Absolve them of blame (it's not your fault).

Introduce the solution.

Tell them now to avoid the pain in future.

Now take a look at the message from both parties and see whichbone got it wrong. No coincidence who won.

Libs pushed the message to avoid a world of pain under Labor..

Labor pushed a message of gravitating towards something better.

What is dominant motivator in people?

There's your answer why the Libs won.

Credit where it's due.

In QLD, it was the fear of unemployment (adani) and fear of losing money.

Exactly they played their hand to perfection, labour blew it.

It’s funny but I’m not that sure about doing away with negative gearing entirely is the right move anyway, well thought out changes and limitations perhaps. I haven’t done any research but I believe that the money spent on public housing for example dropped considerably on the basis that the private sector would provide an alternative. If my memory is right and that’s true then where was the corresponding increase in the estimates to replace it.

I was fine with Howard’s gift on franking credits being abolished with reasonable grandfathering attached, it’s a bit hard to argue for something that makes no sense and exists in no other country. Even still people plan their lives around what is and the grandfathering provisions were not explained as well as they should have been. I’d be pissed if my retirement planning was torpedoed, people don’t generally like change and they hate uncertainty.

I’m pretty pissed off with labour right now, too many drinking their own bath water, unfortunately we’re left to pay the price.

 

[Cornish]

couldnt wait could they?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05...income-tax-cut-delay-election-budget/11132046

 

[Yawkey way]

couldnt wait could they?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05...income-tax-cut-delay-election-budget/11132046

Both sides would have known this going into the election, I’ve just received a message telling me I’ve won over $5000 pounds from Sportsbet which is more believable than these reprobates.

There are other ways to honour that promise if they really wanted to, let’s see how they go. I personally won’t be holding my breathe waiting for it.