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[Pakenhamsaint]

Im at a pub with a happy hour.
Beat the end of it before the price goes back up by 10 seconds

 

[Crusty Undies]

No San Francisco is a lot more expensive than Melbourne and no you can’t get what we would consider a liveable house for $30,000.

Yes the US has plenty of affordable housing it goes with the water and the industry, take a quick look around we live on the fringes of the driest continent with the poorest quality soil.

It’s not about the too hard basket, you want cheap housing and I’m telling you that a far greater number are locked into a high price structure than are locked out so where does that leave us. You’re entitled to ask and the majority are entitled to say no. Climate change didn’t rate on the list of things voters were concerned about and tertiary education despite the debt is as accessible as its ever been. Did you think it was always free? Maybe a bit of research will put that to bed.

I’m an advocate of affordable education, public transport, public housing and a liveable wage, I’m also pragmatic enough to realise that you have to take the majority with you, what’s the point of policy’s that can’t garner popular support.

It definitely isn't more expensive than Melbourne. You definitely can get a house in somewhere like Star City for under 50 grand. We had some of the most fertile coastal soil of any first world country due to not having sub zero winters and snow which we've now ruined through poor management and regulation. It literally is about the too hard basket. Boomers don't care about climate change because it won't affect them and it would be too hard to make changes. What do you mean "locked into a high price structure"? Oh poor them, they own 5 homes that might all decrease in value and that they would have to actually pay CGT on without getting insane benefits! Whatever will they do?! Let me fix that for you *climate change didn't rate as an issue for boomers. It was a pretty clear issue for anyone under 40 actually. Uni actually was free under a Labor gov, then a Lib gov took over, unis started increasing prices due to a lack of regulation and then uni costs started to outprice government spending so they threw the cost back at individuals and said "we'll pay it for you if you pay us back with interest".

Why do you think it is that policy changes don't get support? I can tell you that it's not because people dislike proposed changes. It's because the entire Australian media bar The Australian are run by essentially one person who would ne negatively affected by said policy changes. So the policies and the party that proposes them are smeared and lied about in every form of mainstream media to prevent any actual change from stirring any trouble for any of Rupert Murdoch's billions of dollars. Pension tax? Lie. Low income tax? Lie. It goes on and on and people are too busy to do their own research and too honest to believe that entire organisations would lie as bald faced as they do.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Of course you need to model it, you have to accept the reality of where we are and the cost of getting to where we want to be.

You want to inflict pain on those that you perceive as having benefited from the system to your own advantage, hows that any different than the current situation.

That's such a disingenuous take. I don't want to "inflict pain", I want to prevent people from rorting the system as they currently do. And why do you need to model it if other peope have already done it? Do you need to model gravity every time to know that if you drop a pen it will fall to the ground? Of course not, that would be ridiculous.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Went up enough to to reverse the policy so enough said I think.

Noooo, the Libs blamed the policy for the increase in prices. That is not synonymous with that ACTUALLY being the reason for the increase in prices.

 

[Yawkey way]

It definitely isn't more expensive than Melbourne. You definitely can get a house in somewhere like Star City for under 50 grand. We had some of the most fertile coastal soil of any first world country due to not having sub zero winters and snow which we've now ruined through poor management and regulation. It literally is about the too hard basket. Boomers don't care about climate change because it won't affect them and it would be too hard to make changes. What do you mean "locked into a high price structure"? Oh poor them, they own 5 homes that might all decrease in value and that they would have to actually pay CGT on without getting insane benefits! Whatever will they do?! Let me fix that for you *climate change didn't rate as an issue for boomers. It was a pretty clear issue for anyone under 40 actually. Uni actually was free under a Labor gov, then a Lib gov took over, unis started increasing prices due to a lack of regulation and then uni costs started to outprice government spending so they threw the cost back at individuals and said "we'll pay it for you if you pay us back with interest".

Why do you think it is that policy changes don't get support? I can tell you that it's not because people dislike proposed changes. It's because the entire Australian media bar The Australian are run by essentially one person who would ne negatively affected by said policy changes. So the policies and the party that proposes them are smeared and lied about in every form of mainstream media to prevent any actual change from stirring any trouble for any of Rupert Murdoch's billions of dollars. Pension tax? Lie. Low income tax? Lie. It goes on and on and people are too busy to do their own research and too honest to believe that entire organisations would lie as bald faced as they do.

11 facts about San Francisco's housing market that will make you glad you live somewhere else

San Francisco has the most expensive real estate in the US, surpassing New York City with an average asking price of almost $1.3 million.

www.businessinsider.com

If you pull the rug out from under the housing market it won’t just affect investors with negatively geared properties it will affect ordinary people who have struggled to get a property. Many with large mortgages will end up with zero equity owing more than the house is worth. That’s why we need to plan to get from the ridiculous prices of today to something more reasonable.

It’s just not true to say boomers don’t care about climate change. Maybe if the government had a clear plan that didn’t involve destroying the economy or rolling brown outs maybe more people would vote accordingly.

University was beyond the reach of many people before the labour government made it free. That of course didn’t last but more people than ever before are attending university. Some would say too many people are completing useless courses that don’t prepare people for the job market but that’s another discussion.

Yes it’s possible to purchase houses all over the US outside of the major cities for a very reasonable price. I still think you might want to take a look at where and what you get for $30,000. Anyway we don’t really have the same options so it’s not really relevant.

Anyway crusty the Labour Party had some decent policies which they took to the last election, I voted for them and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Crusty Undies]

11 facts about San Francisco's housing market that will make you glad you live somewhere else

San Francisco has the most expensive real estate in the US, surpassing New York City with an average asking price of almost $1.3 million.

www.businessinsider.com

If you pull the rug out from under the housing market it won’t just affect investors with negatively geared properties it will affect ordinary people who have struggled to get a property. Many with large mortgages will end up with zero equity owing more than the house is worth. That’s why we need to plan to get from the ridiculous prices of today to something more reasonable.

It’s just not true to say boomers don’t care about climate change. Maybe if the government had a clear plan that didn’t involve destroying the economy or rolling brown outs maybe more people would vote accordingly.

University was beyond the reach of many people before the labour government made it free. That of course didn’t last but more people than ever before are attending university. Some would say too many people are completing useless courses that don’t prepare people for the job market but that’s another discussion.

Yes it’s possible to purchase houses all over the US outside of the major cities for a very reasonable price. I still think you might want to take a look at where and what you get for $30,000. Anyway we don’t really have the same options so it’s not really relevant.

Anyway crusty the Labour Party had some decent policies which they took to the last election, I voted for them and we all know how that turned out.

Ok so make the banks alter all their loans so that if someone has paid off the new worth of their home already their mortgage is cleared. It's not like they couldn't take the hit and it's about time they did something for us considering the big 4 are some of the most egregious and morally bankrupt institutions in our country.

And no it actually kind of is accurate to say that. The climate catastrophe is and will become the single greatest threat that humanity will face as a species. If it were me, and it IS me, I'd rather spend my time averting the literal impending death of the vast majority of our species over making sure the economy doesn't take a short term hit. Which isn't even to say that the economy taking a short term hit is necessary, that's just what you've been incessantly told by the Murdoch Media and his lackeys in parliament.

A tertiary education used to be a luxury, now it's a necessity. That's the difference. 30 years ago, people could leave high school, walk straight into a job that guaranteed them work for as long as they wanted, that paid them enough to raise a family on a single income, buy a house, and retire with a nice package and super. Those jobs don't exist anymore. There are less jobs available and everyone is more qualified. Jobs pay less than they used to when you account for inflation but commodities and services have kept on increasing in price. 30 years ago, you could do a luxury degree that the government would pay for, now you have to do a degree to get a job like one I just described, go thousands and thousands of dollars into debt to add to all the other thousands of dollars in debt people now need to go into to afford a home.

*Labor. And yes, it worked out that way at the last election due to what essentially amounted to a smear campaign run by the Murdoch press and the Libs who just happen to have an inordinately larger fund to advertise with than the party run by unions.

 

[gringo2011]

And to tie in with what we were talking about, we might possibly be the Donald Trump of world economies.

Australia is rich, dumb and getting dumber

A Harvard study exposes the paradox of the Australian economy: the eighth-richest nation in the study has the export profile of Angola.

www.afr.com

 

[gringo2011]

US green economy has 10 times more jobs than the fossil fuel industry

A wind farm worker in California The green economy has grown so much in the US that it employs around 10 times as many people as the fossil fuel industry – despite the past decade’s oil and gas boom. The fossil fuel sector, from coal mines to gas power plants, employed around 900,000 people in...

www.newscientist.com

 

[Crusty Undies]

US green economy has 10 times more jobs than the fossil fuel industry

A wind farm worker in California The green economy has grown so much in the US that it employs around 10 times as many people as the fossil fuel industry – despite the past decade’s oil and gas boom. The fossil fuel sector, from coal mines to gas power plants, employed around 900,000 people in...

www.newscientist.com

Well that can't be right because Scott Morrison said the fossil fuel industry created more jobs than renewables.

 

[gringo2011]

Well that can't be right because Scott Morrison said the fossil fuel industry created more jobs than renewables.

In 1900s we were probably propping up the stage coach industry so we don't put people out of work.

 

[gringo2011]

At the risk of being like that knob friend that posts incessant facebook posts about politics.

Germany to close all 84 of its coal-fired power plants, will rely primarily on renewable energy

Germany, one of the world’s biggest consumers of coal, will shut down all 84 of its coal-fired power plants over the next 19 years to meet its international commitments in the fight against climate change, a government commission said Saturday.

www.latimes.com

 

[StFly]

And to tie in with what we were talking about, we might possibly be the Donald Trump of world economies.

Australia is rich, dumb and getting dumber

A Harvard study exposes the paradox of the Australian economy: the eighth-richest nation in the study has the export profile of Angola.

www.afr.com

This is rather well known that out commodities are largely tied to masses of natural minerals and gasses and the export of livestock by and large, also well known that across time and space costs to engage such things was largely due to being located in the arse end of nowhere compared to well, most everywhere else. It's as such all well and good to cite it as less complex and project, however one has to consider that it is still in a growth pattern and thus still viable and in demand.

There are attempts to venture to others, there is a small push in those sectors, but ultimately there is nothing "wrong" with the current model being that mineral & matter narrow scope whilst it is still in demand and brings in more than is taken out even if quite a bit of it is not seen per Joe Blow from woop woop.

That's ultimately a failing of governmental schemes in redistribution, and we all have differing ideas on what passes as competence in the politicking.

 

[gringo2011]

This is rather well known that out commodities are largely tied to masses of natural minerals and gasses and the export of livestock by and large, also well known that across time and space costs to engage such things was largely due to being located in the arse end of nowhere compared to well, most everywhere else. It's as such all well and good to cite it as less complex and project, however one has to consider that it is still in a growth pattern and thus still viable and in demand.

There are attempts to venture to others, there is a small push in those sectors, but ultimately there is nothing "wrong" with the current model being that mineral & matter narrow scope whilst it is still in demand and brings in more than is taken out even if quite a bit of it is not seen per Joe Blow from woop woop.

That's ultimately a failing of governmental schemes in redistribution, and we all have differing ideas on what passes as competence in the politicking.

There is and there isn't, like all investment diversification is ideal. An interruption leaves you exposed.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Interrupting the political discussion to just leave this here....

Yay, BOKKE....you bloody beauties

 

[Saintos The ITK]

On a local Facebook page
Any ideas what year and what s igs?????

 

[gringo2011]

On a local Facebook page
Any ideas what year and what sView attachment 773686igs?????

Can see Luke Penny.

 

[gringo2011]

On a local Facebook page
Any ideas what year and what sView attachment 773686igs?????

Might be Craig Callahan as well I reckon. By that 2003 to 2004.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Might be Craig Callahan as well I reckon. By that 2003 to 2004.

Thanks mate I’ve got no idea

 

[gringo2011]

Thanks mate I’ve got no idea

I reckon Luke Ball 14 is straight under the Sekem logo too.

 

[MUFKilda]

South Africa were just too good in the rugby final - well done to them. England had a good tournament, but it seemed there wasn't enough left in the tank today. An old school friend of mine now lives in Cape Town; we spoke earlier online and she says the celebrations out there are huge. The better team won.

 

[gringo2011]

South Africa were just too good in the rugby final - well done to them. England had a good tournament, but it seemed there wasn't enough left in the tank today. An old school friend of mine now lives in Cape Town; we spoke earlier online and she says the celebrations out there are huge. The better team won.

Just act like an Aussie and pretend you don't take the sport seriously if you lose.

 

[MUFKilda]

Just act like an Aussie and pretend you don't take the sport seriously if you lose.

We are well accustomed to losing

 

[Diehard Saint]

South Africa were just too good in the rugby final - well done to them. England had a good tournament, but it seemed there wasn't enough left in the tank today. An old school friend of mine now lives in Cape Town; we spoke earlier online and she says the celebrations out there are huge. The better team won.

They were, on the day.
But honestly, England had a great tournament and played such a brilliant semi- final they were deserved favourites. As you say, maybe not enough left in the tank.

Springboks came out completely differently from their previous game and were on from the word go. Interesting stat that the three World Cups SA have won have been 12 years apart. 1995 ( just before I emigrated), 2007 and now 2019.

I’ll be in CT in December - they’ll still be celebrating

 

[MUFKilda]

They were, on the day.
But honestly, England had a great tournament and played such a brilliant semi- final they were deserved favourites. As you say, maybe not enough left in the tank.

Springboks came out completely differently from their previous game and were on from the word go. Interesting stat that the three World Cups SA have won have been 12 years apart. 1995 ( just before I emigrated), 2007 and now 2019.

I’ll be in CT in December - they’ll still be celebrating ☺

You emigrated to South Africa or from South Africa?

 

[Diehard Saint]

You emigrated to South Africa or from South Africa?

From. To Melbourne.