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[Johnnyrayflamingo]

US fireys given a hero’s welcome at Sydney Airport

American firefighters who have just arrived to help fight Australia’s bushfires have been given a hero’s welcome at Sydney Airport.

www.news.com.au

Love these sort of moments.

 

[gringo2011]

Deputy PM slammed for blaming Australian bushfires on manure

Acting prime minister and National Party leader McCormack was criticised for placing much of the blame for this year's disastrous bushfire season on 'self-combusting piles of manure'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Nah the acting Prime minister told us it was exploding manure ...yep he actually said it.

Not as crazy as it sounds, I have seen hay sheds combust through composting. The kids primary school had a bush dance and left the hay bales outside afterwards to breakdown and they also caught fire just by self generating heat. Composting shit can get pretty hot.

When we were kids we'd dive down between bales in a hay-shed then try to race to the top, down the bottom some of the bales were so hot you'd burn your skin on them. We also used put our hands or feet on snakes that had crawled in there to keep warm, that was worse. The country was so boring you would still do it though.

 

[gringo2011]

Who knows?
The guy is an economical criminologist.
Fact is: a lot of fires are lit accidently and on purpose. Even 5 or 10% is bad enough in my books.

I nearly started a bush fire once. They let me off a fine for having the CFA attend because I'd got it out before they arrived but I was a bit worried. I was "reducing fuel load" by burning a heap of wood and stumps that were laying around. I thought I'd do t on a pile of blackberries to be efficient and burn the roots out.....only the blackberries burn like a mother****er. The flames were short lived but they were about 20 meters high. Luckily it wasn't too hot or windy or I would have been one of those idiots. The little transfer pump wasn't quite firefighting standard but just enough to save my arse. I dropped a slab at the CFA shed for my **** wittedness as well....well and so they wouldn't fine me next time as well.

 

[Kildonan]

Mate, China and India (the two most populated countries that are rapidly expanding towards first world countries) will only increase their co2 emissions going forward. This will not stop.

We are a bloody minnow and no one cares what we do either way. Its just reality whether you like it or not. Then just wait for countries like Indonesia and sub-Saharan African countries (one of the fastest growing regions in the world) follow India and China's lead into expanding their power needs.

As I said, its simple reality of the situation but if a few Aussies feel better because we only produce .5% or .75% of the world's Co2 instead of 1%...then yeah, great. I'm sure the world really gives two fu**s.

The big companies are not paying taxes and some like Murdoch even get huge rebates from the Australian Government.
My tax contribution would be less than 0.0000000001 % of the money needed to fund Australia. By your logic I should not pay my taxes as it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

Our argument isn't that Australia's commitment to CO2 reduction will make all the difference, it's that all of us together do make a difference, the 17 million taxpayers (or however many it it in Australia) combined efforts do amount to something - and it gives us the ability to stand up to the bastards who dont pay their fair share of tax and ask why. The same can be said of CO2 reduction - that Australia is one of the countries that will be worst hit by climate change - and if we don't do our bit then what moral right do we have to point at the big polluters and say "you are not doing your bit and we are suffering because of it".

The Garnaut report said almost exactly this over a decade ago. The Labor government listened but once LNP were in power everything that was put in place to show that we were doing our bit was dismantled - it appears as if under instruction from the mining industry moguls.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

The big companies are not paying taxes and some like Murdoch even get huge rebates from the Australian Government.
My tax contribution would be less than 0.0000000001 % of the money needed to fund Australia. By your logic I should not pay my taxes as it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

Our argument isn't that Australia's commitment to CO2 reduction will make all the difference, it's that all of us together do make a difference, the 17 million taxpayers (or however many it it in Australia) combined efforts do amount to something - and it gives us the ability to stand up to the bastards who dont pay their fair share of tax and ask why. The same can be said of CO2 reduction - that Australia is one of the countries that will be worst hit by climate change - and if we don't do our bit then what moral right do we have to point at the big polluters and say "you are not doing your bit and we are suffering because of it".

The Garnaut report said almost exactly this over a decade ago. The Labor government listened but once LNP were in power everything that was put in place to show that we were doing our bit was dismantled - it appears as if under instruction from the mining industry moguls.

Yeah, its just one big right wing conspiracy headed by Murdoch, Gina Rinehart, all the energy companies, thr big 4 banks, insurance heavyweights and the LNP. Give me a break.....

You live in fairy land mate. My post rings true and its just the facts and reality regarding India, China and other developing countries. But anyway, whatever makes you feel warm and fluffy at night. Have fun.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah, its just one big right wing conspiracy headed by Murdoch, Gina Rinehart, all the energy companies, thr big 4 banks, insurance heavyweights and the LNP. Give me a break.....

You live in fairy land mate. My post rings true and its just the facts and reality regarding India, China and other developing countries. But anyway, whatever makes you feel warm and fluffy at night. Have fun.

As opposed to one big communist conspiracy. Or worse the world's climate scientists decided to bully big business and billionaires? There is two scenarios here in your mind, one that big business especially miners and energy corps denying the problem is real so should be accepted by anyone sane. Or the scientific community who stand to get nothing from it making up a hoax because Greenies.

 

[George]

Yeah, its headed by Murdoch, Gina Rinehart, all the energy companies, thr big 4 banks, insurance heavyweights and the LNP.

Now that's something you're spot on about.

 

[SaintersUnite]

It’s sad because Johnny is gonna think he’s right for the rest of his life, and it’ll be his grandkids and their kin that have to deal with the shitty planet we’ve left them.

 

[Stewart66]

The big companies are not paying taxes and some like Murdoch even get huge rebates from the Australian Government.
My tax contribution would be less than 0.0000000001 % of the money needed to fund Australia. By your logic I should not pay my taxes as it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

Our argument isn't that Australia's commitment to CO2 reduction will make all the difference, it's that all of us together do make a difference, the 17 million taxpayers (or however many it it in Australia) combined efforts do amount to something - and it gives us the ability to stand up to the bastards who dont pay their fair share of tax and ask why. The same can be said of CO2 reduction - that Australia is one of the countries that will be worst hit by climate change - and if we don't do our bit then what moral right do we have to point at the big polluters and say "you are not doing your bit and we are suffering because of it".

The Garnaut report said almost exactly this over a decade ago. The Labor government listened but once LNP were in power everything that was put in place to show that we were doing our bit was dismantled - it appears as if under instruction from the mining industry moguls.

Senior employee slams News Corp’s bushfire ‘misinformation campaign’ in leaked email

A leaked email from a senior News Corp Australia employee has denounced the publisher’s ‘misinformation’ around the bushfire crisis and demanded action from the business.The email, sent by Emily Townsend, a commercial finance manager, was in response to an all-staff email from CEO Michael Miller...

mumbrella.com.au

 

[StFly]

Not as crazy as it sounds, I have seen hay sheds combust through composting. The kids primary school had a bush dance and left the hay bales outside afterwards to breakdown and they also caught fire just by self generating heat. Composting shit can get pretty hot.

When we were kids we'd dive down between bales in a hay-shed then try to race to the top, down the bottom some of the bales were so hot you'd burn your skin on them. We also used put our hands or feet on snakes that had crawled in there to keep warm, that was worse. The country was so boring you would still do it though.

Generally why they get wrapped, first so you know which ones get broken into to avoid having that conversation about why your climbing trumps their survival and secondly because between sheep running into barbed fences and needing treatment the last thing you want is going to a shed near a bush, possibly near a manual pumping station and then blame the work you did for it.

Admittedly I chose dredging for yabbies and basically gumboots so I still have toes, instead of driving 5kms to check. Never did see the cow patties combust though, but they never did shit in the same space twice.

Now that's something you're spot on about.

No need to wonder why Newscorp is the chosen media outlet for article links I suppose...

 

[gringo2011]

Just in case you didn't think the world was crazy enough.

Pompeo Aligns U.S. Foreign Policy With Christian Zionists

They believe that events in the Middle East align with Biblical prophecy about the end times.

washingtonmonthly.com

And our own christian politicians

Calls for Centrelink minister’s head

How many lives does the Centrelink minister have?

www.yourlifechoices.com.au

 

[Crusty Undies]

So what's the scientific explanation for why this isn't climate change or why it doesn't exacerbate the bushfires?

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

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So what's the scientific explanation for why this isn't climate change or why it doesn't exacerbate the bushfires?

Then why did the biggest bushfires in Australia's known history (117 million hectares over 5 states) happen in the summer of 74-75? That was nearly 50 years ago.

Or in 1851 where 5 million hectares of Victoria burned and a million sheep died? That was around 170 years ago.

The link between that image and bushfires makes no sense then.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Past bushfires

www.ffm.vic.gov.au

A great link on past Aussie bushfires.

"Fire has been present on the Australian continent for millions of years and has been significant in shaping much of the landscape. Many fires were started by lightning.
Aboriginal people used fire for many thousands of years to 'care for country'. The fires were a tool that encouraged the growth and extent of grasslands to enhance hunting, reduced levels of fuel, and kept vegetation from becoming dense and hard to walk through.
Because there are few comprehensive records of bushfires in the early stages of European settlement, or beforehand, the following chronology includes only those bushfires that have occurred since 1851."

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

Its time we started listening and implementing this.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Then why did the biggest bushfires in Australia's known history (117 million hectares over 5 states) happen in the summer of 74-75? That was nearly 50 years ago.

Or in 1851 where 5 million hectares of Victoria burned and a million sheep died? That was around 170 years ago.

The link between that image and bushfires makes no sense then.

Why did those bushfires happen? Because Australia is a dry country. There are three options as to why the current bushfires have been so catastrophic though. One, they aren't any worse than previous fires but our government is less prepared than 10 or even 40 years ago. Two, climate change is making bad bushfires worse and unpredictable. Or three, both. I don't think you'll like any of these answers though so I'm curious what non sequitur you'll use this time.

 

[Kildonan]

Then why did the biggest bushfires in Australia's known history (117 million hectares over 5 states) happen in the summer of 74-75? That was nearly 50 years ago.

Or in 1851 where 5 million hectares of Victoria burned and a million sheep died? That was around 170 years ago.

The link between that image and bushfires makes no sense then.

The 1974/5 bushfires burned a large area of basically grassland. It was unusually cool these years due in part to good rainfall and areas that are usually quite sparse became overgrown, then burned out. The loads that burned are not comparable to those burning in this bushfire season. Today's fires are not just grassland fires - whole ecosystems are being destroyed. Many will never recover fully. They will regrow as dry sclerophyll forests with diminished variety of species of both plant and animal. The coal companies (LNP) will happily clear large areas under the guise of firebreaks.

 

[Kildonan]

I wonder if we can impose a higher GST on products / services provided by companies that do not pay their fair share of tax in Australia.

Some companies like below (Listed by Michael West as the top 40 tax dodgers)

Top 40 Tax Dodgers
Ranking    Company                            Total Income    Taxable Income    Margin    Tax Payable    Tax Rate
1     GLENCORE INVESTMENT PTY LIMITED           $27,929,635,183    $108,107,993    0.39%        0        0.00%
2     EXXONMOBIL AUSTRALIA PTY LTD              $24,810,160,190               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
3     ENERGY AUSTRALIA HOLDINGS LIMITED         $23,901,332,940     $51,800,099    0.22%        0        0.00%
4     MITSUBISHI DEVELOPMENT PTY LTD            $14,169,387,361               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
5     VIRGIN AUSTRALIA HOLDINGS LIMITED         $13,318,353,000               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
6     VODAFONE HUTCHISON AUSTRALIA PTY LTD      $11,831,941,032               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
7     SANTOS LIMITED                            $11,222,883,109     $27,340,938    0.24%    $3,147,975  11.51%
8     GENERAL MOTORS AUSTRALIA LIMITED          $10,357,307,070               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
9     BHCA PTY LIMITED                           $9,914,941,527     $37,131,398    0.37%        0        0.00%
10    GRAINCORP LIMITED                          $9,728,771,192     $29,941,833    0.31%    $4,652,945  15.54%
11    BNP PARIBAS                                $9,319,136,945               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
12    POMI PTY LIMITED                           $9,230,497,423      $1,323,847    0.01%      $397,154  30.00%
13    FLETCHER BUILDING (AUSTRALIA) PTY LTD      $8,730,475,619     $35,968,543    0.41%    $5,703,073  15.86%
14    PEABODY AUSTRALIA HOLDCO PTY LTD           $8,678,625,132               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
15    BROADSPECTRUM LIMITED                      $8,616,335,336     $16,065,803    0.19%        0        0.00%
16    CHEVRON AUSTRALIA HOLDINGS PTY LTD         $8,262,405,590               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
17    FORD MOTOR COMPANY OF AUSTRALIA LTD        $8,262,405,590               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
18    CITIC RESOURCES AUSTRALIA PTY LTD          $7,876,392,114               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
19    SABMILLER AUSTRALIA PTY LTD                $7,726,971,392               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
20    PUMA ENERGY (AUSTRALIA) HOLDINGS PTY LTD   $7,323,761,858               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
21    NISSAN MOTOR CO (AUSTRALIA) PTY LTD        $7,255,251,607     $22,471,232    0.31%         $476    0.00%
22    SPOTLESS GROUP HOLDINGS LIMITED            $7,231,123,102     $12,613,537    0.17%        0        0.00%
23    AMCOR LIMITED                              $7,055,763,985     $17,362,193    0.25%        0        0.00%
24    ERM POWER LIMITED                          $6,945,455,014     $27,148,318    0.39%   $7,782,313   28.67%
25    BG INTERNATIONAL (AUS) PTY LIMITED         $6,770,646,727               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
26    HEALTHSCOPE LTD                            $6,651,396,744     $11,652,500    0.18%        0        0.00%
27    AGRIUM SP HOLDINGS PTY LIMITED             $6,533,277,462     $13,138,092    0.20%        0        0.00%
28    FOOD INVESTMENTS PTY LTD                   $6,412,825,690     $16,750,045    0.26%        0        0.00%
29    ING BANK NV (SYDNEY BRANCH)                $6,275,430,862     $15,641,277    0.25%    $4,692,331  30.00%
30    MITSUBISHI MOTORS AUSTRALIA                $6,195,436,833      $1,912,529    0.03%        0        0.00%
31    FOXTEL CABLE TELEVISION PTY LIMITED        $6,006,084,503               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
32    HYDROX HOLDINGS LIMITED                    $5,722,736,905               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
33    UGL LIMITED                                $5,640,219,909               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
34    NEW ZEALAND MILK (AUSTRALASIA) PTY LTD     $5,623,430,259      $2,598,710    0.05%        0        0.00%
35    MIRVAC LIMITED                             $5,486,283,493     $19,687,339    0.36%        0        0.00%
36    TRAVELEX AUSTRALIA HOLDINGS PTY LTD        $5,335,790,513     $12,106,543    0.23%    $3,429,912  28.33%
37    VENNOR INVESTMENTS PTY LTD                 $5,204,621,539               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
38    CSR LIMITED                                $5,190,938,106               0    0.00%        0        0.00%
39    SWISS RE AUSTRALIA LIMITED                 $5,188,023,218      $3,052,247    0.06%        0        0.00%

 

[pebblesofsand]

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

Its time we started listening and implementing this.

Time for a simple question again Johnny.

So when one of the estimated 2000 aboriginal that were living in East Gippsland 200+ years ago lit a "tradional burn" and it escaped - how did they put it out?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Time for a simple question again Johnny.

So when one of the estimated 2000 aboriginal that were living in East Gippsland 200+ years ago lit a "tradional burn" and it escaped - how did they put it out?

I'm trying to make it easier by only asking one question at a time. Here's the next one - When lightning started fires in East Gippsland 200 years ago how did the aboriginal populaion put the fires out?

 

[Yawkey way]

Just in case you didn't think the world was crazy enough.

Pompeo Aligns U.S. Foreign Policy With Christian Zionists

They believe that events in the Middle East align with Biblical prophecy about the end times.

washingtonmonthly.com

And our own christian politicians

Calls for Centrelink minister’s head

How many lives does the Centrelink minister have?

www.yourlifechoices.com.au

Nancy LeTourneau | Washington Monthly

washingtonmonthly.com

Does Nancy LeTourneau seem fair and balanced to you?.

 

[Yawkey way]

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So what's the scientific explanation for why this isn't climate change or why it doesn't exacerbate the bushfires?

I blame you and your generation, things have really deteriorated since around the time you were born.

 

[Yawkey way]

Researchers in Australia take key step toward battery of the future

An international team of researchers believe they have made a breakthrough that could extend the life of the batteries that power smartphones and electric cars.

www.theage.com.au

This is really interesting and shows what happens when we fund research.

 

[Grav]

On a different note, anyone catch Nick Riewoldts last little bit of banter at the BBL Maddies Vision game last night?
Finished the interview with a little “Go Saints”. Still a true champion of the club.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Time for a simple question again Johnny.

So when one of the estimated 2000 aboriginal that were living in East Gippsland 200+ years ago lit a "tradional burn" and it escaped - how did they put it out?

Ask them. I wasn't alive nor are there records from Europeans.

Its kind of ironic that the custodians of this land managed the threat just as well or better than modern day Australians for thousands of years.

Indigenous methods and knowledge need to be brought into the hazard reduction side of things, not dismissed and laughed at.